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I'm fine with paying a bottom 6 grinder like Hyman if they're decent at it, and he appears to be. If Leafs fans seem to dislike him it's because he's a useful 4th liner who was stapled to the best player on the team all season, which is less than ideal but not really his fault. If he was slotted in a role more suited for him nobody would mind. It's kind of like how people don't bitch constantly about Tyler Bozak anymore now that he's not leading the team in minutes.
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Jordan7hm posted:Advanced stats Is it really tanking if they're just going to be garbage forever?
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maybe they're hoping Sullivan has been sharing some of that "smart coach juice" he surely has
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The last time Tocchet was in Arizona he was Gretzky''s assistant and got busted for being involved with a sports gambling ring so...at least bringing him back again can't go worse than last time right?
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glynnenstein posted:DC is in a special situation. It has agreements with MD and VA about taxes so that you only pay as a resident of either MD or VA unless you actually live in DC part-time. Most other places don't do that and there are different rules for different states and localities regarding non-resident and part-time resident taxes and some have special rules specifically regarding pro athletes. Yes this is what I was getting at, the DC area is weird like that but I don't really know how it applies to athletes. ThinkTank posted:Not every jurisdiction has a jock tax, but most do. It's quite complicated and at times on shaky legal grounds. Several journeymen have made extra money by filing their teammates' tax returns for them. Most athletes have a financial adviser and it's not difficult to write off a bunch of crap like TVs (for watching game tape) and hot tubs (for recuperation) as business expenses. Didn't most people figure out that Avery was either getting royally screwed somewhere along the lines or he was just plain being dumb because his interpretation of how much money they'd make isn't how it would work.
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Levitate posted:
Combination of both. His "agent' was taking an abnormally large cut and he absolutely, 100% did not understand how escrow worked.
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Levitate posted:Didn't most people figure out that Avery was either getting royally screwed somewhere along the lines or he was just plain being dumb because his interpretation of how much money they'd make isn't how it would work. Haha yup. In no universe does 95% of your income disappear before living expenses. Agent fees are capped at 3% in the NFL/NBA and should be around the same in the NHL. If he's pay's paying 25% in agent and money management fees, he's either being robbed or paying into a ponzi scheme. Average household income in the USA is roughly $52,000 a year. In Avery's universe that family would have $2600 (or $216 a month) to pay for housing, food, clothing and all other living expenses. Also escrow is almost always returned to the players in full. It's also never been 20%. Plus in no universe is anyone paying 50% taxes, especially not someone who made the bulk of his earnings in Texas.
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If his agent actually was taking that much I'm sure we'd have heard more about it. Most likely Avery is just a gigantic moron and wrote that without consulting anyone smarter than him (literally just yell into any populated space, Sean) for the real math.
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Aphrodite posted:If his agent actually was taking that much I'm sure we'd have heard more about it. I don't begin to understand how he arrived at the 25% figure though. It's so outlandishly beyond what he would actually be paying that I have to assume he either 1) has literally no idea what he pays his agent and just pulled a figure out of his rear end or 2) he is paying something in that ballpark and has no idea how much he's getting ripped off. Like 25% is more than 8 times higher than what it should be. That's like someone asking him "guess how many fingers I'm holding up" and Avery responding with 83. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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Jul 6, 2017 17:34
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I came when I read that Tocchet might actually leave Pittsburgh Sorry if that's TMI
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ThinkTank posted:Haha yup. In no universe does 95% of your income disappear before living expenses. Agent fees are capped at 3% in the NFL/NBA and should be around the same in the NHL. If he's pay's paying 25% in agent and money management fees, he's either being robbed or paying into a ponzi scheme. I mean the highest federal tax bracket is almost 40% and I guess state taxes depending on where you are could push that up close to 50% (looks like NY State taxes are like 8%) but yeah again I'd be surprised if most athletes are getting taxed on all of their earnings
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Hey Agent, I went to the Big Stupid Fratboy Douche Who Sucked At Hockey store and tried to buy a $800 tribal necklace but my card was declined. What the hell do I pay you for? Well Sean, for every $800 you make I make a quarter. And like I warned you last week you maxed out your credit card buying Weed camouflage and Snoop Dogg voiceover packs in Call of Duty and need to wait 48 hours for the payment to be processed before you can spend anymore.
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i think when the article came out my thought was him or his ghostwriter added up the percentages and calculated the 66k number and he said, well it felt like i wasn't rich so that sounds about right. or he's making poo poo up to prove a point that you shouldn't live like you're making at least league minumum for the rest of your life. even if tocchet looks better in an interview than nelson or whoever else i still wouldn't want him. he managed to be the biggest fuckup in the gretzky era coyotes
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on one hand I'd feel bad if Sean Avery got ripped off that badly because that really sucks, but on the other hand he's a shithead and he also got to bang celebrities and play in the NHL, so maybe I don't actually feel bad for him.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I came when I read that Tocchet might actually leave Pittsburgh Just as long as your source wasn't the body issue
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Kilza posted:The Kings after Quick's groin explodes Game 1 again. So don't leave the Body Issue in Quick's locker; simple.
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the mediocre rangers sb nation blog has been doing player report cards and they did theirs on nick holden today where he predictably got a pretty poor grade and they included a video of nick holden making a bad play; but what is interesting here is what jesper fast does on the play: https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NM6...olden_pinch.gif look at fast trying to push stepan into the play (too late to have an effect) - is that a regular thing that players do that i've just never noticed? is there any way for that to ever be useful? do you think stepan was even aware that it was a teammate doing that? i'm really confused by everything that is going on here
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The story of the article is that Avery outlined the entire thing verbally, then a ghost-writer put it together along with his attitude, which made it ridiculous and inaccurate. Avery liked the publicity anyway, because he's Sean Avery.
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a false posted:the mediocre rangers sb nation blog has been doing player report cards and they did theirs on nick holden today where he predictably got a pretty poor grade and they included a video of nick holden making a bad play; but what is interesting here is what jesper fast does on the play: Yeah that's super common, and I'm sure Stepan is aware what's happening because he almost falls over.
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a false posted:the mediocre rangers sb nation blog has been doing player report cards and they did theirs on nick holden today where he predictably got a pretty poor grade and they included a video of nick holden making a bad play; but what is interesting here is what jesper fast does on the play: Yes that was actually Trevor Daley's main job when he didn't have the puck as it was the only way to get Olli Maatta's motor going.
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i'm not sure how i'd never noticed that happening before, weird
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Yo, 4 spots left in our nerd draft: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3823680&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 Come join, it's fun and funny.
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a false posted:i'm not sure how i'd never noticed that happening before, weird The announcers and your eyes are normally focused on the 2-on-1 and they'll only occasionally mention it while reviewing a replay, usually if it gives an extra inch to get the stick in there. It's a good play, because even if you can't physically block the pass, a little bit of something there might lead to a worse pass, or a shot instead. Better than nothing.
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Koopa Kid posted:I'm fine with paying a bottom 6 grinder like Hyman if they're decent at it, and he appears to be. Yup this is exactly my problem with him. He seems like he might be a solid bottom six guy but on an offensive line he sticks out like a sore thumb with his hands of stone. One thing to be wary about with his hero chart is the Matthews line got cushy as hell starts in the ozone and rarely in the dzone while the Kadri line took all the toughs all the time against top comp. His shot gen numbers are probably a little skewed.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:but the women...and the men...theyre not wearing clothes! ahhhh i want to jack off right now on this bus just thinking about it Are you still on the bus? Go for it.
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https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/883067306317930496 Chayka noooooooo
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I find it amusing that Arizona thinks a guy that had the same non-role on Bylsma and Johnston's staffs as on Sullivan's might bring some of that Penguins Magic to Arizona with him If Tocchet actually knows how to interview well enough to fool a GM into thinking he knows anything about ice hockey, which he most certainly does not, then power to him and I'll be happy to pay for his bus fare to Phoenix
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Eric the Mauve posted:If Tocchet actually knows how to interview well enough to fool a GM into thinking he knows anything about ice hockey, which he most certainly does not
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i'm not sure why pens' fans seem to think tocchet is a bumbling hockey retard but it's going to be really cool if they're wrong about it
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Far as I know I'm less aggressively anti-Tocchet than some of PAS, who think he's an idiot ruining the Penguins' power play. He's nominally the PP coach but he doesn't actually do anything, he's just Mario's golfing buddy and it's a sinecure. There's nothing in his record to suggest he ought to be an NHL head coach unless "coached under Sullivan for two years, which should more than offset coaching under Gretzky, Bylsma and Johnston for a combined decade" counts as a qualification. I'll still be happy to see him go since it opens the possibility that his replacement might actually do something good. Tocchet's just a nonentity.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Far as I know I'm less aggressively anti-Tocchet than some of PAS, who think he's an idiot ruining the Penguins' power play. No one should have made it out of the Johnston years unscathed but the Pens did just go back to back so what do I know. Hopefully he can make something happens because now that Doan is out on his rear end there's not really any reason to hate on the Coyotes
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pas obviously doesn't read enough newspaper fluff pieces or they'd know rick tocchet's real role on the coaching staff is to be the kessel whisperer
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Eric the Mauve posted:He's nominally the PP coach but he doesn't actually do anything, he's just Mario's golfing buddy and it's a sinecure. come on
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Pornographic Memory posted:pas obviously doesn't read enough newspaper fluff pieces or they'd know rick tocchet's real role on the coaching staff is to be the kessel whisperer If Arizona has 18 goony, hot dog gobblers then they're in business.
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i am the bird posted:If Arizona has 18 goony, hot dog gobblers then they're in business. everyone on the team looks like an extra from malcolm in the middle but they're also like 18 years old so we'll see how they round out
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Please remember that Mike Sullivan was John Tortorella's terrible assistant/PP coach for several years and only won two cups with Pittsburgh because of two generational talents (three if you count mario), goalies that got hot at the right time, a man who gains magic powers from hot dogs, other teams having injuries and bad "puck luck" for 16 full games, etc. For real though, I'd like to see Nelson (and Eakins heh) get another shot so boo to Tocchet.
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Glambags posted:Please remember that Mike Sullivan was John Tortorella's terrible assistant/PP coach for several years and only won two cups with Pittsburgh because of two generational talents (three if you count mario), goalies that got hot at the right time, a man who gains magic powers from hot dogs, other teams having injuries and bad "puck luck" for 16 full games, etc. I hope people continue to believe this forever and ever
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Glambags posted:other teams having injuries Ah yes, the Pittsburgh Penguins, a team well known for being lucky about injuries.
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