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Voyager I posted:What I was trying to say is that effective politicians with viable careers weren't joining Trump's campaign because it was a trainwreck and nobody imagined there was any chance he could win. People who were willing to sign on with him were lovely politicians with no future and if Mike Pence ever actually has to do anything we may find out why that was the case. I think we know already. He's a theocratic dullard with no principles but hypocrisy (Trump being hardly a paragon of Christian morality) and wanting very much to ban abortion and gay rights. His contributions to the Trump administration seem to have been largely invisibility.
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Chilichimp posted:Completely ignoring the fact that the press basically made freedom possible, because rich assholes who control everything tend to want to screw over poor people and hide the fact that they did it. Rich people usual own the press, so that's a wash. But it's a great way to get people on your side or more importantly against something else. Our Founding Fathers used the press to spread anti-english propaganda and it worked great. We wouldn't be a country without free pamphlets and newsletters.
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I can't fuckin' believe, like it hurts my mind, in just how open and evilly stupid people like Lepage and stuff are.Oxxidation posted:It was six hours ago. Haha, Jesus. She's cute, I guess. Maybe that's why they like her.
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Drifter posted:Was this when Tulsi went to Syria to cheerlead for Assad's methods of governance or whatever? It was just yesterday, but that was the topic, yes. FlamingLiberal posted:I agree that it's a problem but there are only the two options of A) Trump stays in the full 4 years or B) Pence/some other Republican takes over when Trump leaves. I actually think there's a third, best-case scenario: the Dems take the House in 2018, and possibly the Senate (I wouldn't hold my breath on that second part though), and Trump is relegated to lame duck status for the next four years. He may or may not be able to name a new SCOTUS judge, but the Republicans would have that ability between now and 2020 no matter what. In the meantime, though, he'd be reduced to his usual flailing around lamely, only now without a lock on Congress. In the meantime, the loss of the House would pour gasoline on the already-heating up GOP civil war, and the Republicans wouldn't have the benefit of the media going, "Phew, Trump's gone and now we have a sane president in Pence."
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's a tough call if impeachment or four years of trump would be more crippling to the party. That's what I thought about W. W stole 2000 and there was no way he was going to win in 2004.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's a tough call if impeachment or four years of trump would be more crippling to the party. There's plenty to suggest the next election won't be conducted on fair terms. The people in charge are dragging their rear end on Russia trying to rig it and the party in power is actively pursuing an agenda to suppress the vote. That's why.
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JeffersonClay posted:Yes, Trump the (non-figurative) martyr would be terrible news. Well, there is also the non-intrigue version of the 25th Amendment. The 25th Amendment has a provision for when it is contested, but it isn't necessarily going to be contested. If Trump had a heart attack and was in the hospital unconscious for two weeks, it would go into effect. And statistically speaking, a 71 year old man of his weight under a lot of stress...I mean, I am not cheerleading for this to happen, but it seems like it would have about a 5% chance a year of happening.
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JeffersonClay posted:Yes, Drumpf the (non-figurative) martyr would be terrible news. It's also completely unnecessary. His lovely diet and lack of exercise means that doing what people have already been doing (stymying him, making fun of him, just plain pissing him off) makes the next 4 years into a numbers game. Edit: Beaten.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I think we know already. He's a theocratic dullard with no principles but hypocrisy (Trump being hardly a paragon of Christian morality) and wanting very much to ban abortion and gay rights. My suggestion is that there may be even more to it than what is immediately apparent that will emerge if he ever has to do more than stand behind someone else while they make a speech. A President Pence trying to refight the lost battles of the culture wars with no following and no charisma would sure do a number on his party, though.
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I do hope he takes more presidential cues from William Henry Harrison. Except, instead of disease, he just gets bored during a speech and walks right off a cliff before him or his handlers realize what he's doing. Preferably this is televised live.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i still don't get the whole "we got trump for eight years!" he's going to get crushed in the next election. "NOOOOTHING MATTERSSSSSSSS!!!"  Is pretty much it. Even Dubya had more going for him at any given time.
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Replacing Trump with Pence in a vacuum is a mixed bag. He's less transparently dumb & crazy than Trump so in theory he'd be a more effective rubber stamp, but he has no charisma at all and is still seriously loving stupid But that's beside the point, because it wouldn't happen in a vacuum. Getting rid of Trump would almost certainly require a chain of events that would be disastrous for the GOP in general. Basically some combination of: a) GOP blowout losses in 2018 mid-terms b) Trump being so unpopular that congressional Republicans peel off from him to save their own hides, which is basically a GOP civil war scenario c) Trump rage-quits or dies from too much KFC or something d) 25th Amendment removal scenario, which is basically an appeal to magic at this point unless he has a massive stroke or something Any combination of the things that make a Trump removal/departure possible are all horrible for the GOP. So everyone should be rooting for it, basically.
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It's getting real strange watching Trump play chicken with nationalist dog whistles.
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Mendrian posted:It's getting real strange watching Trump play chicken with nationalist Fixed and all that. Nationalist  would also work.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's a tough call if impeachment or four years of trump would be more crippling to the party. I can't see Trump conceding or admitting he lost. They might have to invoke the 25th to get from election day until the next president being sworn in.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/883064346519187456  alternatively gently caress it someone already posted "arbeit macht frei" but "jedem das seine" hadn't been yet
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Majorian posted:I actually think there's a third, best-case scenario: the Dems take the House in 2018, and possibly the Senate ... and Trump is relegated to lame duck status for the next four years. It would be his own, personal Hell.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's a tough call if impeachment or four years of trump would be more crippling to the party. The only thing we have to go on right now is the historical precedent that incumbents have an edge at being re-elected. Until we know who the Dems are running I think it's premature to assume this doesn't apply to Trump, warts and all. It's not necessarily doom-saying, just a precaution against embracing the "Trump can't win" narrative that doomed us last time.
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The only way Trump would actually get impeached and removed from office is if the Dems are in power after 2018, so lame duck President Pence wouldn't really be anything to worry about.
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Groovelord Neato posted:guys i'm still lollin that hobby lobby bought artifacts from isis. It wouldn't have necessarily been Isis at that point, probably either American mercenaries or the groups that eventually became Isis. But it's six one half dozen the other, either way they were paying their ill-gotten money to benefit bad groups in order to further their weird biblical jerk off session, and destroying not just Iraqi cultural heritage but our collective human cultural heritage into the bargain. As an archaeologist, poo poo like that makes my blood boil.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i still don't get the whole "we got trump for eight years!" he's going to get crushed in the next election. I've said it before, but a lot of people in this thread have absorbed every bit of right wing propaganda that exists but add "I hate it, but it's true" and view republicans as the real americans and republican values as real american values and trump as a winner who will always triumph.
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Quorum posted:It wouldn't have necessarily been Isis at that point, probably either American mercenaries or the groups that eventually became Isis. But it's six one half dozen the other, either way they were paying their ill-gotten money to benefit bad groups in order to further their weird biblical jerk off session, and destroying not just Iraqi cultural heritage but our collective human cultural heritage into the bargain. As an archaeologist, poo poo like that makes my blood boil. at work today i was looking at lists of all the historical artifacts and locations isis and the saudis have destroyed and got real depressed.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/883064346519187456 This is the guy who was happy for Brexit! 
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Hobo Clown posted:The only way Trump would actually get impeached and removed from office is if the Dems are in power after 2018, so lame duck President Pence wouldn't really be anything to worry about. The only way there is going to be an election in 2018 is if Trump is actually impeached and removed from office. Ok, that's not literally true, there is also the possibility that he is innocent of anything meaningful. But if he is guilty of anything that would get a rich person jail time, then those complicit in preventing him being punished are not going to just leave office and join him in jail. Normally, there are forces that would make an election happen on schedule against the will of the legislature. By definition, If Trump stays in office while guilty, then those forces have been defeated, and likely taken out the back and shot.
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JazzFlight posted:What the? He's a loving idiot.
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radmonger posted:The only way there is going to be an election in 2018 is if Trump is actually impeached and removed from office. Except you're forgetting a basic fact of our federal democracy. The states run elections. Trump can control the DOJ and the House enough to protect him and his organization but that doesn't mean their power extends to the states and their secretary of states, their attorneys general, their election processes.
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Bewildered again. https://twitter.com/MaggieJordanACN/status/883043533556527104
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Lemming posted:He's a loving idiot. Yeah and I'd assume Bannon is feeding him this white nationalist rhetoric
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Bogatyr posted:Bewildered again. "I'ma go stand over here, away from all the bulletproof glass"
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JazzFlight posted:What the? He means """europe"""
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DreamShipWrecked posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/883064346519187456 From the replies, but it looks he almost wandered off again. https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/883065551702167553 e - awww gently caress
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Data Graham posted:"I'ma go stand over here, away from all the bulletproof glass" Not seen: Secret Service agents drawing lots for who has to go protect him in out in the open
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Bogatyr posted:Bewildered again. dear lord.
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Bogatyr posted:Bewildered again.
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