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Cutedge posted:Is anyone else running the Primarus Lieutenants? I have been using one and a Captain in Gravis Armor and I feel like they are pretty good, but I am a bad judge of things so I don't know I've been getting a good amount of use out of power sword lieutenants. They're enough in combat to discourge charges, and their buff bubble is obviously great.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Been working on some Shadow War terrain recently. There's a ton of detail on these, so I'm trying to put a bit more effort into them than I usually do. I'm still trying to keep the palettes relatively muted so the models pop in photos/on a quick table scan. So far, this is been fun enough that I may revisit my older, less-detailed terrain and pick out some more details on it. Very cool, have been considering buying some of this and you are making it more tempting.
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Artum posted:] Wait, what size game were you playing? Thats quite a few lords of war, was that his whole army? Kind of a dick move if so. And if you had primaries marines and he had that, what are those necron vehicles doing?
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Everyone posted:Tyrannocyte Biovores Welp, I mixed up Mucolid and Meiotic Spores. The key thing for me was keeping Biovores in LOS of a target and getting decent positioning, but poo poo, if they can hang in cover and don't need LOS, save the points from a Tyrannocyte. Josh, Jesus, and Technowolf have dibs on DAs in that order, I guess, or whoever makes me the best deal. I'll post in this thread when I gather it all up and catalogue it.
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Which unit type allows you to cram the absolute most models into a single force organization slot
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Genghis Cohen posted:Wait, what size game were you playing? Thats quite a few lords of war, was that his whole army? Kind of a dick move if so. And if you had primaries marines and he had that, what are those necron vehicles doing? 2v2 75 power per player, he had spartan 10 deathwing ezekiel and a knight and his teammates only just gotten back in and doesnt have an army so he was lent the shadowsword knight nephilim a 10 man crusader squad and emperors champion, necron was my team mate but the ark and barge on the right are dead, one on the left is still in play. And yeah its a bit of a dick move given that its 2 weeks running now fighting 3+ lords of war, we're gonna have a word with him and failing that i'd bring 6x4 lascannon dev teams around a captain and lieutenant and table him on turn 2 every time until he stops.
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Knights aren't so bad but overall Lords of War seem too powerful for the points at this point. Some, like Magnus, are loving ridiculous.
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TKIY posted:Knights aren't so bad but overall Lords of War seem too powerful for the points at this point. I would not have minded if lone LoWs could only be taken as auxiliary detachments, frankly. Sure, include the loophole for the sake of Knight armies, but if you're bringing a Primarch or a Titan to the battlefield you should be dealing with one totally filled detachment and a loss of command points.
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TKIY posted:Knights aren't so bad but overall Lords of War seem too powerful for the points at this point. Yeah Knights are manageable, high damage melee dismantles them. 8 lascannons on a t8 20w 2+ save that can't be locked in melee is colossal bullshit. Shadowswords are marginally less bullshit due to guard aim.
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Shadowsword is one of the dumbest loving names for a gigantic tank I've ever seen and is another symptom of the loving lazy "NounNoun" naming scheme that has plagued science fiction and fantasy ever since the advent of Warcraft
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Finished assembling my Ogryns and Bone 'ead, added to the paint queue behind the Scions.  The Bone 'ead shield was a blast to make: 
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goose willis posted:Shadowsword is one of the dumbest loving names for a gigantic tank I've ever seen and is another symptom of the loving lazy "NounNoun" naming scheme that has plagued science fiction and fantasy ever since the advent of Warcraft Yes but it's a amazingly gorgeous tank so I'm ok with it.
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goose willis posted:Shadowsword is one of the dumbest loving names for a gigantic tank I've ever seen and is another symptom of the loving lazy "NounNoun" naming scheme that has plagued science fiction and fantasy ever since the advent of Warcraft Zug Zug ANyway whats the release date on those 3 man packs of biglys?
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I'm not going to dispute the appearance of the tank but once you start noticing that naming scheme it becomes so thoroughly grating on you that you are filled with rage every time you see a new example of it and Games Workshop has not failed to surprise me
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Very cool, have been considering buying some of this and you are making it more tempting. It's pricey, but so worth it. It's such well-designed terrain and is ridiculously modular--the catwalk sidings basically clip on if you don't care about the paintjob, and it comes with a ton of underside clips to hold terrain together in a bunch of configurations. I could play around with SW:A terrain forever. This looks great! OhDearGodNo posted:Finished assembling my Ogryns and Bone 'ead, added to the paint queue behind the Scions. Man I really love the conversions in your beastmen LatD army
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For any Baneblade variant I just assume that it has a giant gun that's going to gently caress me up and a bunch of little guns that will also gently caress me up. Trying to keep track of the difference between a Banesword, Shadowsword and Stormblade is a fools errand.
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After listening to know no fear and there bring the rad as poo poo ultramarines legion shadowswords I'm having to try really hard to not buy one of the two baneblade kits at my lgs and paint one up in ultramar colours and livery.
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They're gonna loving fill in the rest of that before they announce plastic Sisters and/or give Chaos some decent rules for once And just as they're about to they'll add another row or column 
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goose willis posted:I'm not going to dispute the appearance of the tank but once you start noticing that naming scheme it becomes so thoroughly grating on you that you are filled with rage every time you see a new example of it and Games Workshop has not failed to surprise me Remember, it comes from the company that has Warhammer Realmgate Wars: War Storm TheChirurgeon posted:
Thanks- it's taken since about '98 to be in a position to actually make it, I hope it doesn't seem like I'm spamming the thread.
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TKIY posted:The lack of a HellSword is unforgivable.
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Safety Factor posted:I would also like a HellLord. Helllord. I want a Doom Lord super heavy tank.
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Small army post - older pictures but can't get good lighting right now and the models still look the same. Khorne army (Have more than this but these are the more interesting models, rest are berzerkers/rhinos):        Converted my heldrakes, hand painted banner (supposed to be a stolen Ultramarines banner defaced with Khorne symbol), converted bloodthirster to be chopping with the big axe. I really like how my khorne looks...especially compared to my other stuff :-/ Deathwing     Crappy shot of Eldar:  Mix of painting from 2 years ago all the way to 15 years ago, basically... needs some updating.
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OhDearGodNo posted:Remember, it comes from the company that has Warhammer Realmgate Wars: War Storm Not at all, man. The thread needs more cool hobby poo poo.
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The Bee posted:What would it take to make Primaris / Heresy-style Marines work on a 40k context? Would the basic bolter need to be way better for Intercessors more than warm bodies, or is the specialist/heavy too essential? Caveat: I have yet to actually play with or against them. Personally I think the problem is that they lack sufficient offensive power for the points. On a lark I decided to compare how points efficient Tactical and Primaris Marines were against Gaunts and Marines. I looked at how many they could kill at long range, rapid fire, and melee. And because I enjoy doing it I tossed in an Ork boy and Guardsman in for comparison. For rapid fire range just double the number. pre:Points Efficiency for Tactical and Primaris Marines vs Infantry Unit Points Distance vs. Gaunt vs. Ork vs. Tau vs. Eldar vs. Necron vs. Guard vs. Marine vs. Terminator vs. Primaris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tactical 13 24" 14.2% 12.8% 13.7% 16.0% 15.4% 9.1% 11.1% 10.3% 8.5% Primaris 20 30" 11.1% 10.0% 11.9% 13.0% 13.3% 7.4% 10.8% 13.3% 8.3% Ork (Shoota) 6 18" 30.9% 27.8% 29.6% 34.6% 33.3% 19.8% 24.1% 6.9% 18.5% Guardsman 4 24" 26.0% 20.8% 25.0% 29.2% 25.0% 16.7% 18.1% 16.7% 13.9% Tactical 13 Melee 14.2% 14.2% 13.7% 16.0% 15.4% 9.1% 11.1% 10.3% 8.5% Primaris 20 Melee 18.5% 16.7% 17.8% 20.7% 20.0% 11.9% 14.4% 4.1% 11.1% Ork (Shoota) 6 Melee 61.7% 55.6% 59.3% 69.1% 66.7% 39.5% 48.1% 16.7% 37.0% Guardsman 4 Melee 26.0% 20.8% 25.0% 29.2% 25.0% 16.7% 18.1% 16.7% 13.9%
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OhDearGodNo posted:Remember, it comes from the company that has Warhammer Realmgate Wars: War Storm If that's spamming the thread, then please, spam us more. Full conversions like this take insane amounts of work, and I hope you get the chance to show them off on the table sometime soon.
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JoshTheStampede posted:Honestly all of those empty spaces are surprising. It just needs to be one of those charts where the names on the y axis are the exact same as the x axis and there's tanks for every combination.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Caveat: I have yet to actually play with or against them. I've been thinking about including the primaris marines from the box into my Space Wolves, but they just don't do anything that I can't do better already. I feel like they exist in a really weird space where they cost too much for me to not go "gently caress it, I'm paying for wolf guard terminators" or alternatively "a heap of blood claws/hunters is going to be more flexible and cheaper."
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Having 6 extra inches of range seems like it'd be really valuable in a hypothetical world where nobody had transports, and your footsloggers could basically guarantee squeezing off a round of shots before their footsloggers could. Also, mind explaining the chart a bit more? I'm not entirely sure what each percentage means, or whether each calculation taking special weapons into effect or just standard gunfire.
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JBP posted:I've been thinking about including the primaris marines from the box into my Space Wolves, but they just don't do anything that I can't do better already. I feel like they exist in a really weird space where they cost too much for me to not go "gently caress it, I'm paying for wolf guard terminators" or alternatively "a heap of blood claws/hunters is going to be more flexible and cheaper." Exactly. They simply aren't powerful enough to justify the cost. I think if they were T5, or had better guns, it would be a different discussion but even against other Marines (ie the thing they're supposedly designed for) they're less efficient than regular Marines. The Bee posted:Having 6 extra inches of range seems like it'd be really valuable in a hypothetical world where nobody had transports, and your footsloggers could basically guarantee squeezing off a round of shots before their footsloggers could. I think the extra three inches of RF range is more impactful than the extra long range. Getting that second shot doubles your efficiency, and most things that assault can easily traverse 12" in a single round. 15" is less reliable. Given the nature of the game I still don't think it's a significant benefit. The percentage refers to the ratio of points killed by a given target per turn divided by the attacking unit's value. For example a Primaris Marine firing its Bolt Rifle against an Ork at long range will, on average, kill 0.33 Orks per turn. Since an Ork costs 6 points that means a round of shooting will kill 2 points. A Primaris Marine costs 20 points, therefore its points efficiency is (2/20) 10%. The calculations do not take into account special weapons (for example Tactical Marines with Flamers are far more efficient; 39.8% versus Ork Boyz).
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That makes sense. So even assuming you decked out your tacticals like Intercessors, the tacs get more bang for their buck. It probably doesn't help that bolt rifles are only one shot, too, so the Intercessors can at most kill half of what the tacticals can. Hypothetically, how would restructuring bolt rifles to be Assault 2 instead of Rapid Fire 1 impact your calculations? (Figure Rapid Fire 2 would be a bit too extreme, personally, but that could be fun to look at too).
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TheChirurgeon posted:Not at all, man. The thread needs more cool hobby poo poo. The Bee posted:If that's spamming the thread, then please, spam us more. Full conversions like this take insane amounts of work, and I hope you get the chance to show them off on the table sometime soon. I'm hoping to have the army done by NOVA, which is around Labor Day. I'll post more (working on making Doombull a version of Nork Deddog, but I hit a snag. I made a custom ripper gun with a dread arm and what I think was the barrel of a dakkagun or something. Problem is I'm still trying to figure out what to use for his right/trigger arm. I was thinking of it being a U-shaped handle instead of a traditional grip- kinda like a SMART gun from Alien. Anyone have any ideas?   
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The Bee posted:That makes sense. So even assuming you decked out your tacticals like Intercessors, the tacs get more bang for their buck. It probably doesn't help that bolt rifles are only one shot, too, so the Intercessors can at most kill half of what the tacticals can. Both Tactical Marines and Intercessors are using guns with the same rate of fire ...so that's already factored into the numbers.
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The Bee posted:That makes sense. So even assuming you decked out your tacticals like Intercessors, the tacs get more bang for their buck. It probably doesn't help that bolt rifles are only one shot, too, so the Intercessors can at most kill half of what the tacticals can. It would double their efficiency, since the calculations are assuming a single shot at distance greater than half the range of the weapon. So for ranges greater than 12" the Intercessors would be better, but within 12" the Tactical Marines are now better (since their efficiency doubles due to RF). WhiteWolf123 posted:Both Tactical Marines and Intercessors are using guns with the same rate of fire ...so that's already factored into the numbers. True, but Assault 2 would mean the guns always fire twice so at ranges beyond 12" the Intercessors would be more efficient.
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