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lol this person works at the dccc https://twitter.com/alifwst/status/882955404082327552
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anime was right posted:is it just me or is like every primary looking like 5 leftist dems and one centrist dem lol I hope all those leftists running in the same primary can do an unofficial runoff before the actual primary starts or something. It would be the worst if they split the vote and the centrist won. Also  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7fVOSgh1eI
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Jul 7, 2017 07:11
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wtf is a moderate now. like how can they even exist lmao. i mean the only way you can be apolitical is if you're rich enough and at that point you'll be against the wall anyway so
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fits my needs posted:wtf is a moderate now. like how can they even exist lmao. i mean the only way you can be apolitical is if you're rich enough and at that point you'll be against the wall anyway so someone who materially benefits from republican policies but thinks overt racism/sexism isn't very polite
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:lol this person works at the dccc what a dumbass, the entire democratic party
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Jul 7, 2017 07:21
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bernie sanders, the only politician to ever have an outsized ego
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Crowsbeak posted:He really is starting to look like Matt Christman. I was betting on Jon Favreau being the first to dehumanize and face to bloodshed in the wake of Senate Dems bad-demming it up, but yeah, this owns.
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Jul 7, 2017 07:37
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anime was right posted:i feel like CC is sort of like, floating talking points and seeing which ones the socialist crowd has a tough time answering so the dems can run those and lose harder Crooked CC sees nothing wrong in repeating a smear campaign started by Trump's vermont manager.
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Jul 7, 2017 07:50
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Cinnamon Bear posted:someone who materially benefits from republican policies but thinks overt racism/sexism isn't very polite tfw you love authority but think it could stand to be a bit less rude
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Yinlock posted:tfw you love authority but think it could stand to be a bit less rude genteel oligarchy
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Jul 7, 2017 08:00
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  Eric eBaum Bauman and California Democratic Party Chair Eric Bauman are the same person
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Rand alPaul posted:
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Jul 7, 2017 08:07
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The Matt Yglesias redemption arc is one of my favorite plotlines.
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Cinnamon Bear posted:someone who materially benefits from republican policies but thinks overt racism/sexism isn't very polite that's a moderate republican, that's not even centrist how did the centa move so far right?
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I'd love to blame 9/11 but it started before and was already well underway in the 60s-70s.
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fits my needs posted:wtf is a moderate now. like how can they even exist lmao. i mean the only way you can be apolitical is if you're rich enough and at that point you'll be against the wall anyway so you're voting between accelerationism and accelerationism, just at different rates
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Jul 7, 2017 08:50
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:that's a moderate republican, that's not even centrist It can be helpful to view "centrists" as "people who live inside the Overton Window."
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Jul 7, 2017 08:51
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comedyblissoption posted:people like to pretend that "centrism" is apolitical and status quo, but economically by democratic party standards it is still an accelerationist policy toward enriching the wealthy and leaving the rest in greater misery. it is just a lower acceleration rate than republicans. the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he was the center-left
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Jul 7, 2017 08:53
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centrists are the ppl who split the difference when there's two lines at the burger joint and then hop on the one that looks like it might be moving faster and gently caress those people have a conviction for once in your worhtless lives good grief
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"centrism" in the US entails having a healthcare system radically different than the rest of the world that is far more expensive, doesn't cover 30 million of the population, has terrible coverage for a great many of the rest, and has worse outcomes radical centrism!
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Jul 7, 2017 10:24
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americans are truly exceptional people and they deserve truly exceptional care
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also having insurance doesn't count for poo poo if you're poor. 20% of a few thousand dollars still means bankruptcy for lots of people
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Jul 7, 2017 11:06
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Mr. Sharps posted:americans are truly special people it works on multiple levels
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gradenko_2000 posted:I was betting on Jon Favreau being the first to dehumanize and face to bloodshed in the wake of Senate Dems bad-demming it up, but yeah, this owns. i think Lovett has been the one closest to actually getting it in the Crooked Media group.
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https://twitter.com/CorinneFavero/status/883125491032510464 uh about that
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This article about Corbyn offers a lot of lessons for the Democrats. The new media environment birthed by the internet rewards authenticity over carefully stage managed soundbite performances. One interesting side-effect of this change is the chance for specific popular policies to gain a meme-like traction within the electorate:quote:When politics was still oriented around analogue television and newspapers, there were specific audiences for politicians’ performances and well-defined opportunities for them to exercise their charm: the TV debate, the interview, the press conference, their relationships with newspaper editors. But now that politicians (like the rest of us) are subject to ceaseless, wide-ranging monitoring, and leave a mountainous archive of evidence behind them, focal points of the traditional sort don’t matter so much. It will all come out anyway. quote:One of the striking results of this new media ecology is that traditional smears no longer seem to work as effectively as they did. Both Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Theresa May in 2017 sought to do down their opponents by drawing attention to their past behaviour. A tape of Trump bragging about grabbing women ‘by the pussy’ was leaked, presumably on the assumption that it would finish off his campaign once and for all. Corbyn was hammered over and over again for his past sympathies with the IRA, with the effect that Labour’s manifesto (and its vulnerabilities on Brexit) went relatively untouched. quote:Given the degree to which conventional notions of leadership had become shaped to suit television and newspapers, the challenge to these notions is long overdue. Silly staged performances of normality must be finished for the time being. What was heartening about the general election was that it suggested a new symbolic status for policy of the sort that technocratic politics was unable to manufacture. Amid all the noise, slogans and smears of the campaign, it seems that Labour’s simple, eye-catching policies (free university tuition, more bank holidays, free school meals for all, more NHS funding, no tax rises for 95 per cent of earners) had the ability to cut through. These policies were crafted to produce a left-populist platform, with the idea in mind that policies can influence voters, but only if they are sufficiently straightforward to be able to hold their shape as they travel around an increasingly complex, chaotic public sphere. New Labour had two sets of experts: one to run its technocratic policy-making machine, the other to handle the media, which it believed could be tamed. But once editorial bottlenecks no longer determine the flow of news, and neurotic control of image is no longer realistic, policies must be designed to spread of their own accord, like internet memes. Trump’s ‘Build a wall!’ did this. Less propitiously, once the phrase ‘dementia tax’ had attached itself to the Tory campaign, it couldn’t be dislodged.
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I loled IRL yas slay matty Wraith of J.O.I. posted:lol this person works at the dccc Bernie Sanders is good at talking to crowds so he is fighting the AHCA by going around to crowds and talking to them Really the key thing to remember here is that these people decided Bernie was cynical and only in it for himself in 2015 (otherwise he would have allowed himself to be Cleared From The Field after the wise party fathers decided whose turn it was) and are basing every new opinion on that old one Everybody seems to know Hilltwitter is just disgruntled Republicans except them themselves
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Helsing posted:This article about Corbyn offers a lot of lessons for the Democrats. The new media environment birthed by the internet rewards authenticity over carefully stage managed soundbite performances. One interesting side-effect of this change is the chance for specific popular policies to gain a meme-like traction within the electorate: if u can convince people that the rich are their enemy, which is something i think resonates with lots of poor, resentful young people, then all those policies sound great and will turn people out. the next generation is incredibly hosed and they can feel it, sorta a sense of looming dread, we just gotta get them aimed at the right target
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Karl Barks posted:vietcong did this and had to change their name who made them? zegermans posted:Why is Poland such a poo poo fascist magnet it's ok if they're on the winning side?
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anime was right posted:matty is really stepping up. im proud of him. i remember some dumb lib poster once said that MattY must be doing something right because leftists hate him, and now he's slowly becoming Our Good Boy by dunking on bad dems lmao
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Serf posted:if u can convince people that the rich are their enemy, which is something i think resonates with lots of poor, resentful young people, then all those policies sound great and will turn people out. the next generation is incredibly hosed and they can feel it, sorta a sense of looming dread, we just gotta get them aimed at the right target Resentment and poverty aren't enough for a leftist victory though, to mobilize people you also need to present a plausible seeming left-wing solution. You can't just convince people they should hate the rich, you need them to adopt a particular plan of action and then follow it through. I believe that's part of why something like "Medicare for all" is can be compelling: it's well outside the status quo but it addresses a well understood and highly visible problem (lack of health insurance / crappy health insurance) with a plausible and intuitive solution (expanding a highly effective and popular government program) and packages it into a simple and easy to communicate slogan. And, crucially, for those who want to know more there are more wonkish lefty blogs, position papers and writers who can expand on that idea and provide supporting evidence for its effectiveness. The critical mass of angry and disaffected people already exists so I think the big questions now hinge on recruitment and mobilization rather than just convincing people the system sucks, which they mostly already grasp intuitively. The challenge is to convert discontent into political power.
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Helsing posted:Resentment and poverty aren't enough for a leftist victory though, to mobilize people you also need to present a plausible seeming left-wing solution. You can't just convince people they should hate the rich, you need them to adopt a particular plan of action and then follow it through. I believe that's part of why something like "Medicare for all" is can be compelling: it's well outside the status quo but it addresses a well understood and highly visible problem (lack of health insurance / crappy health insurance) with a plausible and intuitive solution (expanding a highly effective and popular government program) and packages it into a simple and easy to communicate slogan. And, crucially, for those who want to know more there are more wonkish lefty blogs, position papers and writers who can expand on that idea and provide supporting evidence for its effectiveness. Serf posted:if u can convince people that the rich are their enemy, which is something i think resonates with lots of poor, resentful young people, then all those policies sound great and will turn people out. the next generation is incredibly hosed and they can feel it, sorta a sense of looming dread, we just gotta get them aimed at the right target yep, that's what i said
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If only Republicans could go back to being respectable again, like Willaim F. Buckley - the guy who founded National Review to help defend Apartheid.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If only Republicans could go back to being respectable again, like Willaim F. Buckley - the guy who founded National Review to help defend Apartheid. i wish republicans wouldn't stand up for corruption and racism and instead went back to good old Real Conservative Values like corruption, and also racism
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watching the gradual unsmoothening of matty y's brain has been p encouraging actually
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Serf posted:watching the gradual unsmoothening of matty y's brain has been p encouraging actually that fact that he's suddenly spitting fire on twitter is good evidence that centrism is in fact a mental illness
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There's like a 40% chance Matty is just trying super hard to get on Chapo.
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Hulk Krogan posted:There's like a 40% chance Matty is just trying super hard to get on Chapo. I know these words mean things but I have no idea what that is
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Helsing posted:Resentment and poverty aren't enough for a leftist victory though, to mobilize people you also need to present a plausible seeming left-wing solution. You can't just convince people they should hate the rich, you need them to adopt a particular plan of action and then follow it through. I believe that's part of why something like "Medicare for all" is can be compelling: it's well outside the status quo but it addresses a well understood and highly visible problem (lack of health insurance / crappy health insurance) with a plausible and intuitive solution (expanding a highly effective and popular government program) and packages it into a simple and easy to communicate slogan. And, crucially, for those who want to know more there are more wonkish lefty blogs, position papers and writers who can expand on that idea and provide supporting evidence for its effectiveness. For better or for worse, also being able to point to concrete examples where cutting funding to public institutions has had real consequences also helps.
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Serf posted:yep, that's what i said I'm not disagreeing with you, just emphasizing that good policies need to be linked to a persuasive analysis. It's not enough for people to resent or hate the rich. They need to hate them for the right reason, and they also need to believe alternatives are possible. A bunch of Trump voters hate global elites because they think they're enacting a multigeneral plan to destroy the white race through immigration. Anger over wealth inequality has to be linked to a particular set of left-wing theories and assumptions about how the economy functions. When people start to resent the oligarchy without really questioning the underlying conservative assumptions of society you end up with right-wing populism.
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