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Saint Freak posted:I got the minion warhammer 40k guy last night so basically I won this stupid game and am free to play something else now. I figured it was more like doomguy. RIP AND TEAR!
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 She just likes to read the articles.
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FillInTheBlank posted:
you don't mess with someone else's douj
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The moral of the 1-30 CNJ questline is that Gridania is terrible, the Elementals are shady as gently caress, and we should burn the entire Black Shroud to the ground.Velthice posted:The incentive to do exdr is going to be the new, capped at 450 per week, tomestone they introduce when omega savage drops. That still doesn't solve the "people hit the button once a day" problem the guy brought up though.
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Jul 7, 2017 15:59
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What if you only got your EXDR roulette bonus if you rolled for it against 7 other people
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Rainuwastaken posted:The moral of the 1-30 CNJ questline is that Gridania is terrible, the Elementals are shady as gently caress, and we should burn the entire Black Shroud to the ground. whm 60-70 made me think maybe garleans aren't wrong after all
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Jul 7, 2017 16:01
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Rainuwastaken posted:That still doesn't solve the "people hit the button once a day" problem the guy brought up though. I mean is there really a problem with doing roulettes once a day? There's so much other content in the game to explore. I've always treated expert roulette as a button I push once a day since it was introduced and don't see the issue.
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Jul 7, 2017 16:06
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Magil Zeal posted:I mean is there really a problem with doing roulettes once a day? There's so much other content in the game to explore. I've always treated expert roulette as a button I push once a day since it was introduced and don't see the issue. The issue is that there are a limited number of healers and tanks compared to DPS and the fewer of them that are running content the longer the queue lines are.
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Jul 7, 2017 16:08
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ImpAtom posted:The issue is that there are a limited number of healers and tanks compared to DPS and the fewer of them that are running content the longer the queue lines are. My experience that is over the lifetime of an expansion DPS queue times tend to go down, so that problem largely sorts itself out. It's already been happening in Stormblood for me at least, DPS queue times are no longer 40+ minutes for expert and have been closer to 20ish for the past week or so. Is this not the general experience for others? They could probably make them shorter by adding additional incentives, I suppose. Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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Jul 7, 2017 16:12
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Magil Zeal posted:They could probably make them shorter by adding additional incentives, I suppose. That's the exact argument, seeing as they're adding incentives to bring down ldr times. 30-40 minute queues suck when you want to get all your roulettes done in the evening after work. I stopped bothering with EXDR since I'm not desperate for verity anymore and I'm using the other roulettes as tank or heal.
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Magil Zeal posted:My experience that is over the lifetime of an expansion DPS queue times tend to go down, so that problem largely sorts itself out. It's already been happening in Stormblood for me at least, DPS queue times are no longer 40+ minutes for expert and have been closer to 20ish for the past week or so. Is this not the general experience for others? That is what they're doing.
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Magil Zeal posted:They could probably make them shorter by adding additional incentives, I suppose. That's exactly what we're talking about with EXDR: adding more incentives for tanks and healers to do EXDR more than once per day so that DPS queues are shorter.
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Rainuwastaken posted:The moral of the 1-30 CNJ questline is that Gridania is terrible, the Elementals are shady as gently caress, and we should burn the entire Black Shroud to the ground. I mean, i haven't logged in since the patch but the cracked cluster is once a day isn't it? Lmao if not. Assuming so (though I could honestly be wrong here until I get home to see for myself) hitting the button once a day is as good as you're going to get unless they straight up just make the daily bonus, well, not daily. Anyway the problem now is that people aren't bothering to hit the button at all, which as I said should be fixed when the new tombstone drops and has people running it for months on end just to gear one or two jobs.
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I just thought Expert Roulette was already rewarding enough--the main thing we're seeing right now is the primary incentive to run it isn't in and a lot of the people who want verity have enough of it at this point, but hey, I guess a little extra probably wouldn't hurt much?  It'll also help when the new class smell wears off on RDM/SAM, which seems to be starting to happen.I thought leveling would be a bit different because the primary reward (or at least what I use it for) is the EXP for lower-level classes, which will eventually run out (usually, long before you run out of things to spend endgame tomes on). That's probably why they've currently got it on leveling but not expert. I wouldn't object to another source of grade VI material though, I'm not a huge fan of hunts.
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SonicRulez posted:Right, the missing mentor. Jeez, how many class quests have a missing mentor? All of them? It's been a while but iirc the Lancer questline was about some jerkoff from outside the guild trying to teach you how to Lance the wrong way and getting owned and you had to bail him out.
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Magil Zeal posted:I just thought Expert Roulette was already rewarding enough--the main thing we're seeing right now is the primary incentive to run it isn't in and a lot of the people who want verity have enough of it at this point, but hey, I guess a little extra probably wouldn't hurt much? The problem is the "more than once per day" thing. There are significantly fewer healers and tanks than DPS. Once most of the healers and tanks in the pool have run their EXDR for the day, any DPS who didn't get into those is going to have a much longer queue time. What we're talking about is a need to incentivize healers and tanks to queue for EXDR after they got their daily tomes, so that DPS queues are shorter all the time. If we had a perfect ratio of tank players + healer players = DPS players, it might be a different story, but instead it's tank players + healer players < DPS players, and that causes a big queue imbalance. Giving those tank and healer players an incentive to queue more than once means that they're going to be there for more DPS players.
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they should add a weekly capped currency to exdr, exchangeable for the best gear. this might make people run it. "ah, but people will only run it once a day then" you might say and yes, that IS how duty roulette works...
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Harrow posted:That's exactly what we're talking about with EXDR: adding more incentives for tanks and healers to do EXDR more than once per day so that DPS queues are shorter. There's already incentive for queueing the 70 dungeons though. Materia V and VI are trash mob drops. You can then take all the crappy Vs and turn them in to a few VIs. You can also try and turn your crappy VIs in to Gathering and Crafting VIs to sell. They also added the new mount to the story level 70 dungeon and the others have sellable minions. If people are going bonkers over a single cluster for Leveling while demanding more for Expert, I'm at a loss of what to say. Maybe optics are the issue, and people aren't realizing how good the expert dungeons are for materia alone, since it's entirely passive with no notice? Skaw fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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Harrow posted:The problem is the "more than once per day" thing. There are significantly fewer healers and tanks than DPS. Once most of the healers and tanks in the pool have run their EXDR for the day, any DPS who didn't get into those is going to have a much longer queue time. What we're talking about is a need to incentivize healers and tanks to queue for EXDR after they got their daily tomes, so that DPS queues are shorter all the time. I am aware of what's being suggested, I just didn't see it as a problem that needed to be solved. Others apparently do. I suppose I've just gotten used to it being the way it is after all this time. And I do agree that right now the game could use more ways to inject Grade VI material into the market.
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WoW gave bags of swag to try and incentivize tanks and healers queuing and it still didn't really make a difference. The plight of dps queues is eternal, absolute, one of the supreme laws of the universe.
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Velthice posted:WoW gave bags of swag to try and incentivize tanks and healers queuing and it still didn't really make a difference. The plight of dps queues is eternal, absolute, one of the supreme laws of the universe. I think a lot of it has to do with how dps tends to be the best solo spec, and is widely seen as having the least responsibility.
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what if they added a third dps to 4 man parties and made them 5 man parties. and then also, they removed the tank and the healer and made them 5 man parties of only dps. then, since we no longer need to balance tanks and healers with the dps, we can add 3 more dps, then multiply that by 3 and have 24 dps on a large team. we can call it frontlines, and banish all dps there to wither and rot, solving the problem forever.
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Thinking back, I remember being disappointed the arcanist quests stop at 30 because cat sempai reaching me about strategy was fun.
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Velthice posted:I mean, i haven't logged in since the patch but the cracked cluster is once a day isn't it? Lmao if not. Assuming so (though I could honestly be wrong here until I get home to see for myself) hitting the button once a day is as good as you're going to get unless they straight up just make the daily bonus, well, not daily. Considering you can get the previous Adventurer in Need bonuses every single time you ran the roulette, I'm guessing the cracked clusters will be flowing like water too. The main issue here is that they're only from Leveling Roulette; Expert dungeons don't have any extra incentive, and that's where the huge queues are. Skaw posted:If people are going bonkers over a single cluster for Leveling while demanding more for Expert, I'm at a loss of what to say. Maybe optics are the issue, and people aren't realizing how good the expert dungeons are for materia alone, since it's entirely passive with no notice? The nice thing about the cluster is that you get to choose exactly what you want to get with it. The last couple runs of 70 dungeons I've done (40 minute queue times on DPS woooo) have given me nothing but an ever-growing ocean of Dexterity, Mind, and other useless garbage T6 materia. It's pure coincidence that I'm leveling tank right now, but the cluster from leveling roulette is a very welcome thing. Plus, the rates at which you convert 5's to 6's are horseshit. Something like 20% I think I read? 25 T5's for a completely random T6 is not a great exchange rate.
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Are people really surprised that there are significantly more dps players than tank and healer players put together? Like, have you guys played mmos before?
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Do I have to solo q for this adventure in need bonus to work in LLDR? Or can I go in with a few people?
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Holyshoot posted:Do I have to solo q for this adventure in need bonus to work in LLDR? Or can I go in with a few people? You have to solo, it says so on the queue screen. Going in as a party disables Adventurer In Need bonuses.
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ImpAtom posted:You have to solo, it says so on the queue screen. Going in as a party disables Adventurer In Need bonuses. The cracked cluster is immune to that particular caveat.
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Magil Zeal posted:I am aware of what's being suggested, I just didn't see it as a problem that needed to be solved. It would be less of a problem if there was a wider range of activities you could do in-game while queued for a roulette. As it is, you're limited to activities that don't put you in an instance. So you could level gathering or crafting, if you find that interesting, but that doesn't help much if you think those activities are boring. If you have side quests left over you can use them to level another job, but those are finite and then it's basically just leveling another job with leves (because you can't PvP or do PotD while queued), and hoo boy does that get repetitive. I mean, I know what the response is to that: "Join an FC." Yeah. That actually will help you a lot. I'm real glad for the goon FCs because it means there's a pretty decent chance of putting a group together and not needing to screw with the DF queue at all. But even though I don't understand wanting to play without joining an FC, I'm sympathetic to those players, and I don't really want to say "there's no problem, just join an FC" to them when I think there are other, better solutions. Minrad posted:what if they added a third dps to 4 man parties and made them 5 man parties. I don't know why you're posting this like it's completely absurd, because I can't imagine how that wouldn't result in shorter DPS queue times. Unless there's some psychological effect I'm unaware of where it pushes more people to play DPS and everything ends up out of balance anyway? I don't know. I mean, obviously it is far, far too late for that to happen and I would never advocate completely restructuring the party sizes in FFXIV at this point. So I suppose it's absurd in that it won't ever happen. But if they'd gone with heal/tank/3 DPS from the start? I don't know, maybe that would've made a slight difference.
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kojei posted:The cracked cluster is immune to that particular caveat. Really? Huh.
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Velthice posted:Are people really surprised that there are significantly more dps players than tank and healer players put together? Like, have you guys played mmos before? Where do you see people being surprised? No one is bamboozled over why queue times are long, they're offering what they see as potential solutions.
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Velthice posted:Are people really surprised that there are significantly more dps players than tank and healer players put together? Like, have you guys played mmos before? Something can be annoying without being surprising I've been bitten by mosquitoes, however the consequences are entirely predictable and are of no concern to me
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ImpAtom posted:Really? Huh. Actually, come to think of it, I'm pretty sure "joining as a party" in this case refers to "a complete party". 1-3 players will still trigger adventurer in need, 4 will not. (Or 1-7 for trials will, 8 will not)
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Velthice posted:Are people really surprised that there are significantly more dps players than tank and healer players put together? Like, have you guys played mmos before? Nobody's really surprised by that. For my part, I just think that, while it's not a problem that's ever going to truly disappear, its effects can be mitigated and it's worth at least trying to do that.
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Oh good, the "maybe don't play a job you find fun and instead play a different job  " solution.
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the funnest part of dps to me is spending 25 minutes posting about how long my queues are it gives me a lot of time to work on my shitpost rotations and think about how my queue could be shorter
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Rainuwastaken posted:The nice thing about the cluster is that you get to choose exactly what you want to get with it. The last couple runs of 70 dungeons I've done (40 minute queue times on DPS woooo) have given me nothing but an ever-growing ocean of Dexterity, Mind, and other useless garbage T6 materia. It's pure coincidence that I'm leveling tank right now, but the cluster from leveling roulette is a very welcome thing. Grab a Tank or Healer to queue with you. Expert dungeons are going to clear faster than leveling, and that time will continue to decrease. Temples already doable in like 7 pulls if your tank and healer know their stuff. Consider that the trade-off of the clusters guaranteed choice I suppose. Also just because the chance is low doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you just want to continue collecting useless attribute materia and not do anything with it then The shot at Crafting and Gathering materia alone is worth throwing that junk out.
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