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Baronjutter posted:I love how UFO poo poo has almost totally vanished from the conspiracy mainstream since cell phones became a universal thing everyone in the world pretty much has. Holy poo poo, you just reminded me of some threads I took part in at abovetopsecret about how the governments of the world would be forced to admit the existence of aliens within the next ten years because the expectation was (this was around 2005 or so) that when everyone had a video camera on them UFO videos would become so utterly prolific that the reality of the alien presence on Earth would be undeniable. Hell, back when I was still posting as Truckin A Man I ate a couple probations for posting UFO related material. I certainly believed that the smartphone would force the existence of ET's/Ghosts/various other paranormal phenomena out into the open once and for all. Course, things seem to not have worked out that way. Sometimes I wonder how many embarassed former conspiracy theorists are out there versus how many of my former conspiracy peers are still hammering away on their keyboards, just now at The_Donald instead of GodLikeProductions? Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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they are using their smartphones to record other conspiracy-driven things though. I bet you there are tons of videos of planes leaving behind
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Ghosts seem like a future proofed supernatural phenomenon since they supposedly cannot be filmed with ordinary cameras. So whack jobs will always have a cover for that one.
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Baronjutter posted:I love how UFO poo poo has almost totally vanished from the conspiracy mainstream since cell phones became a universal thing everyone in the world pretty much has. UFOs and ghosts and psychics and cryptid-monsters have all been kind of mushed into a big ball of woo - in this particular "documentary", in addition to aliens, we have ghosts, shadow-people, 'orbs' (for real, have these people not seen laser pointers?), and random prank poo poo. It's gotten to the point where - because of the undeniable lack of any convincing physical evidence of any of it - UFOs and Bigfoot have turned into spiritual entities for a lot of devotees. I mean, people are even swearing that SA-originated-meme Slenderman is a real thing, and that all of these are "tulpas" - figures from our subconscious and imagination made real by our beliefs in them. That's why people talk about "experiencers" these days instead of abductees or contactees. I mean, if they are just experiencing it, who's to say it's not real, eh?
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dwarf74 posted:
While I was homeless I must have sat through at least a half dozen detailed accounts of personal encounters with Slenderman from other homeless people. It was an experience that stands out for having seemed pretty surreal at the time- and that is saying something.
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WampaLord posted:And yet there's loving searching for Bigfoot shows on actual television. And ghost hunter shows. That's an interesting point. I guess Bigfoot is somewhat human-sized hiding in a forest, vs a space ship flying around in the sky. And well... ghosts. Anything that you can't easily create recordable evidence for sticks around as a popular myth. So we can expect Ancient Aliens to stick around basically forever since you can't outright go back in time
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I had the TV in my cabin over the long weekend tuned to the History channel, and it was playing a thing about USOs: Unidentified Submersible Objects. The real aliens are underwater, guys.
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chitoryu12 posted:I had the TV in my cabin over the long weekend tuned to the History channel, and it was playing a thing about USOs: Unidentified Submersible Objects. You ever see some of the poo poo that lives in deep sea trenches? Pity the lobstermen.
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QuarkJets posted:That's an interesting point. I guess Bigfoot is somewhat human-sized hiding in a forest, vs a space ship flying around in the sky. And well... ghosts. Anything that you can't easily create recordable evidence for sticks around as a popular myth. So we can expect Ancient Aliens to stick around basically forever since you can't outright go back in time You see, the existence of Bigfoot something something disproves the theory of evolution. (A lot of cryptids do, somehow - Mokele-Mbembe is a favorite for this crowd. So is Nessie. Because you see dinosaurs being alive today means that ... uh ... they didn't all evolve or something? I honestly don't get the connection.) Giants? That's pushed almost entirely by young-earth creationists, because there are giants in the Bible, so if we find giants, the Bible is true. Also a whoooole lot of that "hidden history of America" is specifically about putting ancient middle-eastern people like ... ohhh, I dunno ... a lost tribe of Israel maybe? ... in the Americas.
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Prester Jane posted:Course, things seem to not have worked out that way. Sometimes I wonder how many embarassed former conspiracy theorists are out there versus how many of my former conspiracy peers are still hammering away on their keyboards, just now at The_Donald instead of GodLikeProductions? My brother who has an SA account has posted before about this, but we had a community college government professor who taught Alex Jones in the early 90s. While talking about right-wing politics, I remember asking him if he had heard of Jones, and his eyes got really wide and he beamed "Ohhhhh Alex!" The prof was very liberal, but he seemed to remember him fondly on a personal level. (Prof was a good guy: I can't imagine him hating anyone.) He also recalled that at the time, Alex Jones was really into UFOs and would go on UFO rants in class. I think the big shift occurred during the 1993 Waco siege, which I think is a major, major, major event in American history for the role it played on the mad-dog nationalist right. Technology plays a role as well, but I think ghost-hunting, Ufology and so on, reflect broader cultural trends. Through World War I one of the big paranormal phenomenons in the Western world were angel sightings, such that British forces would be "visited" by angels or spiritual archers who would help slay their enemies. In the 1950s with the rise of the atomic age, science fiction, the beginnings of space exploration and jet transportation, UFOs emerged. Now we've moved onto ... well, I don't know, exactly. Cyber cults and geopolitical skullduggery? dwarf74 posted:It's gotten to the point where - because of the undeniable lack of any convincing physical evidence of any of it - UFOs and Bigfoot have turned into spiritual entities for a lot of devotees. I mean, people are even swearing that SA-originated-meme Slenderman is a real thing, and that all of these are "tulpas" - figures from our subconscious and imagination made real by our beliefs in them. That's why people talk about "experiencers" these days instead of abductees or contactees. I mean, if they are just experiencing it, who's to say it's not real, eh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUIcCyPOA30&t=2s dwarf74 posted:Also a whoooole lot of that "hidden history of America" is specifically about putting ancient middle-eastern people like ... ohhh, I dunno ... a lost tribe of Israel maybe? ... in the Americas.
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QuarkJets posted:That's an interesting point. I guess Bigfoot is somewhat human-sized hiding in a forest, vs a space ship flying around in the sky. And well... ghosts. Anything that you can't easily create recordable evidence for sticks around as a popular myth. So we can expect Ancient Aliens to stick around basically forever since you can't outright go back in time That and searching and hunting are the keywords there. Oh sure we didn't get any actual proof, but we're just trying to look for them!! We don't claim we have them! Meanwhile it's a lot harder to do a "hunt for ufos" show because it's not like aliens live in some common area/type of structures in the developed world. You'd be stuck just like, going to some of those places that have weird light effects going on like Marfa or something, but those aren't very impressive other than to make a debunking show.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Also Mormonism. It was kind of deflating when I learned how many of these anomaly-hunters aren't simply sincere kooks exploring their weird area of interest for its own sake.
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My dad is a huge ancient aliens true believer and nothing will ever sway him.
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I read the Ancient Astronauts and the like when I was a young goonlet. Totally bought into it. Then the claims got even more extreme, I grew a skepticism gland and started seeing the "anti" evidence. Now all that (UFOs, USOs, rods, ghosts, cryptids, etc.) gets eyerolls from me due to lack of even reasonable evidence. Plus, I'm a little embarrassed about having bought into it even as a tad.
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I found the rabbit hole of whatever the hell this is. http://www.reformation.org/ http://www.reformation.org/page2.html Even by conspiracy theory standards it's unique. Some random excerpts include: quote:REMEMBER, REMEMBER, THE 22ND OF NOVEMBER. quote:As a reward for services rendered, Hitler was rescued from Berlin by commandos led by Ian Fleming (Operation James Bond) and he spent his last years at the Berghof in Argentina. quote:
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quote:It is almost beyond belief but the U.S. Navy ceased to exist in 1901. The CONfederates failed to conquer the North, so they decided to substitute the CONfederate Navy for the U.S. Navy. The U.S. Navy played a pivotal role in the suppression of the rebellion . . . so now it was time for revenge!! quote:
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It's beautiful.
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"Fenians"??? For gently caress's sake, Ireland got it's independence almost 100 years ago! And the repetition of "great Russian state"...
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quote:With the U.S. policing the New World . . . and the great Russian nation policing the Old . . . the nations would have been forced to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. The Republican form of government would have prevailed all over the world and monarchies would have been relegated to the bust bin of history . . . where they rightly belong. What the hell does he think a Fenian is? Does he actually think a Irish-American group that disbanded in 1880 has spies in the American state department and Congress? Also, he seems to be a little confused as to whether the Brits are spying on the States or controlling the Pentagon. edit: ^^^^^ that's why I'm wondering if it's code for something else. Prism fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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The hatred of the British sounds LaRouche-esque, but it's not obsessive enough to be pure strain. Hints of other stuff in there.
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It's me, I'm the precise geopolitical configuration that would have prevented all further wars from 1865 onwards, and this configuration was undone by... conspiracy.. something something
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Prism posted:What the hell does he think a Fenian is? Does he actually think a Irish-American group that disbanded in 1880 has spies in the American state department and Congress? I think he means Catholic/British spies, I guess. This guy is all over the place. quote:In the 20th century, at least 5 states were created by Gog and Magog. They were: Irish clerical "Republic", Nazi Germany, Saudi Arabia, the Crusader state of "Israel" and the Islamic "Republic" of Iran. Unfortunately, only one of these states (Nazi Germany) has disappeared from history, http://www.reformation.org/president-lincoln.html quote:...The Vatican viewed the growth of these 2 great countries with alarm and jealousy. Russia was the main bastion of the Orthodox Congregation which the Vatican had been vainly fighting for almost 1,000 years.... The U.S. was the home of Protestant Christianity, republicanism and . . . liberty!! quote:Richard Nixon was almost guaranteed the Presidency in 1964. He was cheated out of that office in 1960, but now he had a good chance of ending the Kennedy-Johnson nightmare for good. http://www.reformation.org/british-dust-bowl.html quote:Weather warfare is the most diabolically clever form of warfare because no nation can prove beyond a doubt that it is under attack. What is required to nail the war criminals is motive and method....The British have never lacked a motive to destroy the United States . . . and Tesla Technology gave them the method. On a less amusing note besides being crazy he's also a Sandy Hook Truther http://www.reformation.org/fascists-hijacked-constitution-state.html
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dwarf74 posted:It's gotten to the point where - because of the undeniable lack of any convincing physical evidence of any of it - UFOs and Bigfoot have turned into spiritual entities for a lot of devotees. I mean, people are even swearing that SA-originated-meme Slenderman is a real thing, and that all of these are "tulpas" - figures from our subconscious and imagination made real by our beliefs in them. That's why people talk about "experiencers" these days instead of abductees or contactees. I mean, if they are just experiencing it, who's to say it's not real, eh? chitoryu12 posted:I had the TV in my cabin over the long weekend tuned to the History channel, and it was playing a thing about USOs: Unidentified Submersible Objects. dwarf74 posted:You see, the existence of Bigfoot something something disproves the theory of evolution. (A lot of cryptids do, somehow - Mokele-Mbembe is a favorite for this crowd. So is Nessie. Because you see dinosaurs being alive today means that ... uh ... they didn't all evolve or something? I honestly don't get the connection.) (I like reading about this stuff, and have run in cryptozoological circles and the like in the past)
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I got really really high once and thought I talked to Bigfoot but it was just a homeless man
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Prism posted:What the hell does he think a Fenian is? Does he actually think a Irish-American group that disbanded in 1880 has spies in the American state department and Congress? That's what they want you to think!
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I got really really high once and thought I talked to Bigfoot but it was just a homeless man OR WAS HE!?!?!?
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dwarf74 posted:Are UFOs topic-appropriate? I watched this and after a while assumed it was a mockumentary, then the pedo stuff pops up at the end and UFO stuff is fun but the people who post it are always into extra crazy stuff like hollow earth or biblical end of the world predicitons
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Goon Danton posted:The hatred of the British sounds LaRouche-esque, but it's not obsessive enough to be pure strain. Hints of other stuff in there. Oh speaking of LaRouche, when he's railing against British influence he's using code words for the Rothschild's, his antisemitic conspiracy says Britain's under the control of the Jews and its a key base for there global plans. Its kinda clever, he knew outright attacking Jews publicly would close a lot of doors to him but if he used an old cover word he could still attract members of the far right fringe whilst being looked at as a harmless eccentric by mainstream society. The guys had quite an eventful life and unlike many conspiracists brought up in threads like this, has clearly done a lot of harm to people in his career and is still pretty influential as a subcurrent of Fascism, his network even has seats in Sweden's parliament. http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Library.UnityNow I recommend everyone in this thread, (well maybe not some of you it might give you ideas) read that biography some of the stuff he got up to is pretty interesting, and its kinda frightening how successful he's been so far.
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U.T. Raptor posted:For the record, "bigfoot/UFOs/etc are extradimensional" has always been a thing. It's an idea that's been on the fringes of those circles for... decades at least, I think. Since at least UFO abductions are linked to sleep paralysis episodes, I can buy that. I used to suffer a lot from SP, and going to other dimensions were definitely on the table when I tried to explain what I had seen.
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Has this thread ever caught a moon truther? They are my favorites.
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zakharov posted:Has this thread ever caught a moon truther? They are my favorites. Moon landing or mere existence of the moon?
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Tias posted:Since at least UFO abductions are linked to sleep paralysis episodes, I can buy that. I used to suffer a lot from SP, and going to other dimensions were definitely on the table when I tried to explain what I had seen. Scares the hell out of my wife, but I'm used to it.
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dwarf74 posted:I have hypnogogic hallucinations myself. I've been convinced there were bugs all over my floor, that there were people in my room (usually sleeping), snakes, rats, etc. I'm totally convinced they're real until I touch them at which point the whole illusion just melts apart. It's weird how convinced I am, even though part of me knows it's absurd. Have you touched your wife though?
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:I watched this and after a while assumed it was a mockumentary, then the pedo stuff pops up at the end and I remember years ago watching a several hour long movie debunking the Ancient Aliens TV show by a guy who used to believe in it. It was really interesting, well researched and informative. It's the only documentary I've watched that had a twist ending too; near the end of the film the documentary maker's reasoned skepticism slowly cracks until finally the mask slips off and you realise that the narrator was a fundamentalist Christian all along, and is just as crazy as the ancient aliens guy.
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That's Ancient Aliens Debunked, and the twist would be a brilliant move if it were done to prove a point. If the idea were to teach the viewer that being skeptical about things you don't already believe doesn't make you immune to bias and error, you couldn't come up with a better premise. But no, Chris White is completely sincere about it, which really just makes the point all the stronger. Also when I was making sure I remembered the title right, I found the IMDB reviews! Well done! Bravo! (10/10) posted:The delivery of the audio speech is quite boring, honestly, but the data and debunking are on point, which is what matters in this age of countering so much B.S. oops, let the mask slip a little there at the end, Everett. Waste of time. (1/10) posted:Garbage. You cannot debunk Ancient Aliens, all you can do is disagree with them & only believe the mainstream theories that have been accepted for years, which is bullshit. Of course AA wants you to believe everything is Aliens, but anyone with half a brain can figure out what to take them serious on, and what not to. In many episodes,you can absolutely see there was Alien intervention, it's obvious, unless you are in denial. Not because they said so, but because there was real evidence long before AA existed. It must take someone with no life whatsoever, to waste time making this debunking film. These so called filmmakers are not intelligent. Get a life. Meanwhile, Phil here wants nothing to do with masks.
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Also on the subject of History Channel bullshit, a Japanese military historian has a criticism of their Amelia Earhart special. In case you missed it, their only evidence that Earhart survived her crash and was picked up by the Japanese was a photo showing a woman about 100 feet away from the camera, facing away from the camera, and "analysts" insisting that it must have been Earhart after being picked up by the ship in the picture. Only problem is, there are library records showing the photo was published in 1935, 2 years before she disappeared.
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What was supposed to be the motive for Japan capturing her again?
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Goon Danton posted:That's Ancient Aliens Debunked, and the twist would be a brilliant move if it were done to prove a point. If the idea were to teach the viewer that being skeptical about things you don't already believe doesn't make you immune to bias and error, you couldn't come up with a better premise. But no, Chris White is completely sincere about it, which really just makes the point all the stronger. I've seen quite a number of people claim that there are only certain things you should believe from Ancient Aliens. Like they hide true information in a mess of fake alien poo poo. Anyone know what is actually true from Ancient Aliens or have they just used this phrasing to get out of explaining what's "true"?
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Keeshhound posted:What was supposed to be the motive for Japan capturing her again? That she was a prisoner of war, being an American in the area around the time of WW2 starting. This, of course, ignores the large amount of evidence (like various recovered artifacts from an island that was uninhabited in 1937) that suggests that she just crashed and either died in the crash or died as a castaway on a deserted island.
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chitoryu12 posted:That she was a prisoner of war, being an American in the area around the time of WW2 starting. It should be noted as well that she disappeared 5 days before the outbreak of the Second Sino-Japanese War. There was really no reason for the Japanese to secretly execute an American celebrity at that time.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:It should be noted as well that she disappeared 5 days before the outbreak of the Second Sino-Japanese War. There was really no reason for the Japanese to secretly execute an American celebrity at that time. I think the argument is that she was executed in the 1940s, which would mean she was held for years.
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