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Countblanc posted:Where do you see people being surprised? No one is bamboozled over why queue times are long, they're offering what they see as potential solutions. I mean this has been a problem since what? 2007? Whenever WoW finally got a dungeon finder. If a solution hasn't been found since then I don't think throwing ideas out into the void of the internet on something awful dot com is going to lead anywhere, even if everyone were in unanimous agreement. Harrow posted:Oh good, the "maybe don't play a job you find fun and instead play a different job It is however the only solution pitched here that will actually get you results.
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Minrad posted:the funnest part of dps to me is spending 25 minutes posting about how long my queues are I don't exclusively play DPS. If someone does, I don't think they deserve to have a shittier time with the game. Somehow that makes me the shitposting one. Velthice posted:It is however the only solution pitched here that will actually get you results. Nah, "join an FC" is a good step, too, which is something I pointed out a few posts ago. Actually taking the time to be social and not relying solely on the Duty Finder means that you're less likely to end up in a DPS queue in the first place. It's not the right solution for everyone, though, nor is "just play a tank or healer," and I'm sorry if throwing around ideas for things SE could do to make the game more fun for people who are unwilling/unable to do either of those things is annoying.
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SonicRulez posted:Right, the missing mentor. Jeez, how many class quests have a missing mentor? All of them? The SAM quests end with us killing our mentor and his only other student. Not sure what we'll end up doing in the next expansion.
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DPS queues and wanting to occasionally sub out and actually smack things are why I initially switched from white mage to scholar. Free summoners are the best.
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Harrow posted:Oh good, the "maybe don't play a job you find fun and instead play a different job This seems like the way to go imho
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Rhonne posted:The SAM quests end with us killing our mentor and his only other student. Not sure what we'll end up doing in the next expansion. Maybe it'll be like PLD 50-60 where you are the mentor to some other person. I remember LNC 1-30. Such a slog to do only for it to be completely meaningless now. This reminds me that there are quite a number of rear end in a top hat lancers. That elf, Laurentius, Estinhogg
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I think part of why the Dark Knight questlines work so well is that they feel integrated into the main story, up to and including closing off or addressing plot beats that the main story left open. A lot of the other questlines are almost entirely divorced from the plot and it feels understandable (they don't know when you're doing a lot of them) the Dark Knight stuff actually feels like it's dealing with the WoL and their history and not that you happened to get thrown a katana or having some rear end in a top hat tell you how lovely you are as an archer despite you killing several dozen godlike beings. The ending of the 70 plotline in particular just feels satisfying and worthwhile.
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Rhonne posted:The SAM quests end with us killing our mentor and his only other student. Not sure what we'll end up doing in the next expansion. I think they should do a whole Yojimbo (the film) thing with it.
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SonicRulez posted:Maybe it'll be like PLD 50-60 where you are the mentor to some other person. I like that aspect of the RDM quests post-60, where you and your mentor work together to mentor a younger Red Mage. It gets derailed by more pressing concerns, but it's a nice group dynamic.
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Minrad posted:they should add a weekly capped currency to exdr, exchangeable for the best gear. this might make people run it. 
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I still think the RDM quest should have unique dialogue if you have whm and blm leveled to 50+. Better still if that included paladin. "so let me get this straight, you're a grand master of Magic and swordplay, but bet you never thought to combine them?! No wonder eorzea is such a poo poo show."
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Red Magic isn't really about combining multiple disciplines, but more about entirely different uses of Aether. BLM/WHM draw in ambient aether from the world, or the void or whatever. RDM uses their own, which is traditionally very dangerous, and focuses it through a new tool to make it usable.
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Harrow posted:Nah, "join an FC" is a good step, too, which is something I pointed out a few posts ago. Actually taking the time to be social and not relying solely on the Duty Finder means that you're less likely to end up in a DPS queue in the first place. It's not the right solution for everyone, though, nor is "just play a tank or healer," and I'm sorry if throwing around ideas for things SE could do to make the game more fun for people who are unwilling/unable to do either of those things is annoying. joining an fc is a good step, and so is being social. I can't tell you how many times I've approved apps to pbc only to see the person give an inaugural "hi" and then never be heard from ever again, that's if they even bother to say anything at all. Seems like an odd choice to join a guild of 500 dudes and not interact with them in any way. ANYWAY, other point being, if you feel you've got a decent idea, you're better off posting it somewhere that's actually in SE's rolodex, official forums, reddit, maybe some third website the bother to look at (it's probably just those first two though)
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Red Magic isn't really about combining multiple disciplines, but more about entirely different uses of Aether. BLM/WHM draw in ambient aether from the world, or the void or whatever. RDM uses their own, which is traditionally very dangerous, and focuses it through a new tool to make it usable. I like that they sort of represent this in gameplay terms, too. Red Mages use their own aether to cast spells, and to do that without killing themselves they need to draw very little and amplify it with an outside tool. So Red Mage spells have really low MP costs relative to other casters because they draw less aether, but because you're not drawing aether from any outside source, your methods for restoring your MP are really limited (specifically, limited to a role skill).
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Speaking of extra dialogue, I forgot to ask after I got through it. How's the Steppe if you're a dragon?
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SonicRulez posted:Speaking of extra dialogue, I forgot to ask after I got through it. How's the Steppe if you're a dragon? I think they mention "even if you're not from here, one of your ancestors was" and that's it
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SonicRulez posted:Speaking of extra dialogue, I forgot to ask after I got through it. How's the Steppe if you're a dragon?
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Dark Knights have the best stories/lore. The fact that the first one was just some guy that ran around killing pedophiles in the totally not Catholic Church analog is an amazing origin story for a class. We can only presume he did it wearing jet black armor and yelling darkness, DARKNESS!
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Saint Freak posted:Dark Knights have the best stories/lore. The fact that the first one was just some guy that ran around killing pedophiles in the totally not Catholic Church analog is an amazing origin story for a class. We can only presume he did it wearing jet black armor and yelling darkness, DARKNESS! You actually meet him in one of the SB drk quests. his armor is sufficiently dark and edgy
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Velthice posted:WoW gave bags of swag to try and incentivize tanks and healers queuing and it still didn't really make a difference. The plight of dps queues is eternal, absolute, one of the supreme laws of the universe. This isn't true, or at least it wasn't when Legion launched: on my warrior I would queue as dps if the tank bag wasn't available and consistently get in well under 5 minutes. I even saw dps listed as the bonus role at least once I'm sure it helps that WoW groups have three dps instead of two but people want those loot bags Flavahbeast fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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Flavahbeast posted:This isn't true, or at least it wasn't when Legion launched: on my warrior I would queue as dps if the tank bag wasn't available and consistently get in under 5 minutes. I'm sure it helps that WoW groups have three dps instead of two but people want those loot bags legion also introduced a new class that was capable of tanking
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Sotar posted:Yo goons, when you hit the 70 MSQ trial, yell in FC chat to get a goon group, because pubbies seriously suck at it. Also, be sure to complete your job quests. You get left side 290 gear and a weapon.
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I don't think that I'd queue multiple times a day just to get the bags, but the allure of the mystery box is undeniable and it would make me enjoy my one daily run that much more
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personally I think queues could have been better if they didn't add two dps jobs that everyone really wants to play without adding a cool tank or healer that people also want to really play.
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Velthice posted:personally I think queues could have been better if they didn't add two dps jobs that everyone really wants to play without adding a cool tank or healer that people also want to really play. Almost certainly, yes. Add to that the, uh, controversial changes to WAR and SCH, and the whole tank damage thing, and I'm not surprised the number of tank/healer players spending their time playing SAM or RDM is higher than SE expected.
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SonicRulez posted:Speaking of extra dialogue, I forgot to ask after I got through it. How's the Steppe if you're a dragon? 
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Hmmm, Well then. An alternative to hunts for my rank 6 materia needs? I'll take it!
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Velthice posted:legion also introduced a new class that was capable of tanking They've never added a new class that wasn't capable of tanking. Almost as if that sort of thing is a good idea.
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Fister Roboto posted:They've never added a new class that wasn't capable of tanking. Almost as if that sort of thing is a good idea. But it also hasn't improved queues/tank population significantly. Giving people who like tanking new playstyle options is still good though. (But I agree adding a pure dps class would be dumb) Plus DPS queues in WoW are more like 10-20 minutes rather then 30-40.
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Oxyclean posted:But it also hasn't improved queues/tank population significantly. Right. But it does avoid tipping the balance too badly, which is good.
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Having 3 dps per party probably does more for dps queues than having every new class able to tank does.
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Final Fantasy XIV: Mistakes Were Made And Some Of Them Are Unfixable
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If this game had open world pvp I would have never needed another MMO....that being said it doesn't.
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Ffycchi posted:If this game had open world pvp I would have never needed another MMO....that being said it doesn't. Open world pvp is nothing but a euphemism for ganking.
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Cythereal posted:Open world pvp is nothing but a euphemism for ganking. This may be the intent.
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Ffycchi posted:If this game had open world pvp I would have never needed another MMO....that being said it doesn't. Open world pvp sucks and has never been good in modern (post 2005) MMOs.
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