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GnarlyCharlie4u
Sep 23, 2007

I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof

Judge Schnoopy posted:

We implemented Uniflow for printing accountability. But nobody feels like being the printer police, including upper management.

"Holy poo poo we printed 2000 color copies in May?!? This cost us a fortune!"
"According to this report it was Jane"
"Oh. Must have had a good reason for it :shrug:"

:sax: Hello Xerox my old friend :guitar:

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Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe
"the paperless office"

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Sefal posted:

"the paperless office"
:newlol: Got any other good ones?

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





MC Fruit Stripe posted:

I've been surfing porn since Commodore 64 and I've never accidentally printed it. The number of mistakes which need to happen to print that to a random person's printer is staggering.

Yeah... I mean, the guy is pretty incompetent so I could almost believe it, but that's the reason I put it in quotes.

Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe
We had a way that actually tracked how much each user spent on printing.

it would like
code:
Jane Doe, €5,99
users sometimes saw that and we assured them, that we did nothing with that data.
Some time later. Manager was talking about using that data to bill the departments.
I think she tried it, but got shut down hard, because I haven't heard anything about that since.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Sefal posted:

We had a way that actually tracked how much each user spent on printing.

it would like
code:
Jane Doe, €5,99
users sometimes saw that and we assured them, that we did nothing with that data.
Some time later. Manager was talking about using that data to bill the departments.
I think she tried it, but got shut down hard, because I haven't heard anything about that since.

Translation: Someone up the food chain didn't want their own porn-printing documented :v:.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





Force black and white printing. Save dosh.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal
We default to black and white unless you use login printing, requiring your employee ID be entered into the printer. It scares people off of making large color print jobs because they think they'll get in trouble.

Like mentioned before, we track all black and white printing too and don't enforce any color printing policies so it really doesn't loving matter!

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

nesaM killed Masen
Printers are plastic and metal boxes with demons inside and you should never touch one lest you become infected by Satan Himself.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

CLAM DOWN posted:

Printers are plastic and metal boxes with demons inside and you should never touch one lest you become infected by Satan Himself.

But what if I am satan, what happens then smart guy!

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

There are a trillion ways to track and limit print usage on any printer/MFP made in the past 10 years, so if you are really that worried about it, do something about it.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
Sometimes people wanting to get into IT ask me for advice. I get weird looks when I tell them to never show any proficiency in working on printers. Don't spill toner, but make sure that you're not the go-to guy for printers unless you're gunning for a job with Konica.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





I would never "fix" an actual printer itself, but having decent knowledge on how to properly deploy printers and print servers has saved me a lot of headache over the years. I'm kind of militant about it, but that's just because I've had to go into way too many environments where printing was a disaster and sort it out.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

Yeah, avoiding printers is one thing, but having the ability to setup a print server/queue is something that you should probably understand. It is pretty easy to setup, and I am amazed how some large organizations will do individual print driver installs on every PC, making administration and updating drivers a nightmare.
One location I work with uses a web-based printer installer to build new queues. Except the guy who made it refuses to update it and the universal driver is from 2012. So on-site IT sets up new drivers locally.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Sometimes people wanting to get into IT ask me for advice. I get weird looks when I tell them to never show any proficiency in working on printers. Don't spill toner, but make sure that you're not the go-to guy for printers unless you're gunning for a job with Konica.

I do that with phone system too. It's never worked.


And now I'm at an MSP that fixes Xerox printers. At least they're EOLing the whole concept of incredibly poorly engineered solid ink printers.

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

mllaneza posted:

solid ink printers.

*twitch*

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Didn't someone last year link to a $100k/year position as a Citrix Printer Admin?

SamDabbers
May 26, 2003



Tab8715 posted:

Didn't someone last year link to a $100k/year position as a Citrix Printer Admin?

That's quite a lowball. You couldn't afford the booze it'd take on that salary.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Quick, ask me why I'm militant about printer deployment.

I've been architecting and admining Citrix for 10 years or so.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Internet Explorer posted:

Quick, ask me why I'm militant about printer deployment.

I've been architecting and admining Citrix for 10 years or so.

Tell us the good, the bad and the ugly.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

My only involvement with Citrix is when it fucks up printing and breaks things that should be unbreakable, so... I'm not a fan.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Tab8715 posted:

Tell us the good, the bad and the ugly.

I mean, what do you want to know? I drink a lot and make 6 figures, so he's not too far off.

Peachfart posted:

My only involvement with Citrix is when it fucks up printing and breaks things that should be unbreakable, so... I'm not a fan.

Let me guess, local printers?

Super Slash
Feb 20, 2006

You rang ?

George H.W. oval office posted:

Force black and white printing. Save dosh.
- Named shared printers with pre-set templates pushed out by Group Policy
- Black & White Duplex only
- Templates are pre-set with paper tray

People still gently caress it up, in an age of printers with LCD screen with cute little instructions which tell you what you do. It still vexes me I had a lighthearted argument with someone that claimed if they need to print on letterheaded paper they needed to change the paper size to "Letterhead" load the paper upside down and change the print setting to right side up... you literally just need to to stuff paper in a bypass tray and print to it, it's just pre-printed A4 paper. :what:

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I print shipping labels and my monthly expenses claims because we are so backward that we aren't on board with any of the millions of SaaS packages that make doing expenses easy.

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik

Peachfart posted:

My only involvement with Citrix is when it fucks up printing and breaks things that should be unbreakable, so... I'm not a fan.

Uniprint solves that problem.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Peachfart posted:

My only involvement with Citrix is when it fucks up printing and breaks things that should be unbreakable, so... I'm not a fan.

Is it even possible to have a good, stable Citrix implementation? I really have my doubts.

Aunt Beth
Feb 24, 2006

Baby, you're ready!
Grimey Drawer

skooma512 posted:

Is it even possible to have a good, stable Citrix implementation? I really have my doubts.
We have one! 500 or so users, almost never have to touch it except for tweaking images now and then or expanding pools.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





skooma512 posted:

Is it even possible to have a good, stable Citrix implementation? I really have my doubts.

It's possible, it's just super difficult and Citrix doesn't make it easy. You really need to have a broad range of knowledge to get it right.

My current implementation is humming along beautifully, to the point where the only real tickets we get are user training or app support issues.

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik
I got to the new job three months ago and they immediately dumped Citrix admin on me, not that I blame them. We have a mix of a 5.0 farm for the legacy business app, 6.5 for everything else, and I'm about to cut Citrix web over to a 7.8 Storefront for the main web interface. Once that's done, then I'll migrate everything we need to keep from the 6.5 over to 7.8 and call it done. The legacy app is going to stick around for another 6 months then the 5.0 farm can go.

One of my personal development goals is to take a Citrix class of some kind, what would people recommend for someone who has had enough experience from 4.5-7.8 to have the basics down, but needs more in depth on nearly everything?

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

devmd01 posted:

I got to the new job three months ago and they immediately dumped Citrix admin on me, not that I blame them. We have a mix of a 5.0 farm for the legacy business app, 6.5 for everything else, and I'm about to cut Citrix web over to a 7.8 Storefront for the main web interface. Once that's done, then I'll migrate everything we need to keep from the 6.5 over to 7.8 and call it done. The legacy app is going to stick around for another 6 months then the 5.0 farm can go.

One of my personal development goals is to take a Citrix class of some kind, what would people recommend for someone who has had enough experience from 4.5-7.8 to have the basics down, but needs more in depth on nearly everything?

This is one of the things you can ask of your Citrix rep that might actually be in your best interest. Ask your rep to forward this question to an engineer and you might be shocked with the results. I did this with a VMware rep and got a lot of relevant info.

adorai
Nov 2, 2002

10/27/04 Never forget
Grimey Drawer

skooma512 posted:

Is it even possible to have a good, stable Citrix implementation? I really have my doubts.
Ours is pretty good.

1) xenapp sucks, xendesktop is pretty good.
2) we treat our VDI sessions just like PCs. There is no automatic printer mapping from the client, they add their printers from the print server just like they do on a PC.
3) like everything else, if you have storage latency, the end user experience will suck.

Our helpdesk is able to maintain all of our pools and base images, it's pretty great.

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




A colleague asked if his son could do work experience with us and my manager agreed.
I've given him an overview of our systems, had him set up a new user and computer and watch some support sessions. Now I'm out of ideas and he's here for another two days. Poor kid's going to be bored out of his skull.


Also I can't browse the forums all day with him sitting there.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

nesaM killed Masen
Have him manually build a workstation or server (without your imaging system/whatever) to "learn" the "process" and "understand", then tell him you'll talk to him in 2 days.

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Have him build an image sys prep and deploy to a different computer. Knowing how to build an image is a good skill, it should also keep him busy. You want to do this in test, as you don't want him messing with your images.

If you can get some VMs spun up having him build a domain could also be a fun project for a first time, he'd get to learn about domains DNS and DHCP, and he'd basically be making his own test environment, you could combine all of this and have him set up a full imaging solution for himself and sys prep it. You could probably find enough guides to cover this in under an hour with a quick google print them out, and keep him busy for a few weeks.

I could get all that done in 2 days maybe 1, but first time doing it just see how far he gets.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Got any boring rear end admin poo poo you need doing?

Sick him on it. I once had a work experience chap go through and check the warranty of every PC we had in the cupboards, because whoever bought them didn't add them to our list. Took him a day or so.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Hey man those keyboards aren't gonna clean themselves. Same with the laptops.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...

bitterandtwisted posted:

A colleague asked if his son could do work experience with us and my manager agreed.
I've given him an overview of our systems, had him set up a new user and computer and watch some support sessions. Now I'm out of ideas and he's here for another two days. Poor kid's going to be bored out of his skull.


Also I can't browse the forums all day with him sitting there.

Have him troubleshoot your fax machine. It totally sometimes doesn't receive faxes. But there's no pattern! Better watch it like a hawk kid.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Give the poor kid something interesting to do. I'd assume some of us got our start that way. The job market for his generation is tough enough, having something he finds interesting could make a big difference in his life.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Internet Explorer posted:

Give the poor kid something interesting to do.
And set unrealistic expectations? I think work experience tasks should mimic real work as much as possible.

What I'm saying is give him a boring, tedious task and then when he's nearly done tell him it's not needed and he can throw away what he's done so far.

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Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost
Introduce the kid to Powershell or Bash. Maybe dump something into a csv and ask him to make some kind of formatting change or other scriptable work.

If he's never written any code before maybe introduce him to an IDE (ISE), and concepts like loops and variables, and where to find documentation online.

Big bonus points if it's something legitimately useful that you can push live with him.

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