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Rebounding is complicated because while ideally you rebound and get back on defense, very few teams in history have actually been able to do both. Coaches often go back and forth (often as frequently as during halves) as to which philosophy they want their team to practice. Also you can be a bad rebounding team because you shoot too well.
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Jul 8, 2017 05:04
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who is your favorite lovely Bulls player, mine is Fredman J. "Fred" Hoiberg
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Jul 8, 2017 05:07
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R.D. Mangles posted:OH HELL YEAH Dejan made some joke about Hungarian players a few days ago and I was gonna respond "Kornél Dávid REMINDS YOU TO STAY HUNGARY" but i figured a bad pun about the only Hungarian player in NBA history would be too obscure. Now this happens
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Jul 8, 2017 05:25
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Jud Buechler was my man way before I ever imagined I'd go to UofA.
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Jul 8, 2017 05:31
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EvanTH posted:Dejan made some joke about Hungarian players a few days ago and I was gonna respond "Kornél Dávid REMINDS YOU TO STAY HUNGARY" but i figured a bad pun about the only Hungarian player in NBA history would be too obscure. Now this happens Never ever doubt RD's memory of Bulls players.
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Jul 8, 2017 05:35
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Andrew Wiggins is dead rear end just his dad https://twitter.com/mynameisjohn/status/883544828713283585
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Jul 8, 2017 05:35
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R.D. Mangles posted:who is your favorite lovely Bulls player, mine is Fredman J. "Fred" Hoiberg Bobby Portis
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Jul 8, 2017 05:36
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Declan MacManus posted:Lonzo Ball looks like a really good passer and a really terrible everything else; going 2/15 is worthy of a paddlin' Dean Oliver came up with the Four Factors a long time ago, it's possible it doesn't perfectly fit an era where teams shot this accurately and this often from 3. Or the Warriors are so good they just broke math, I dunno
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Jul 8, 2017 05:39
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R.D. Mangles posted:who is your favorite lovely Bulls player, mine is Fredman J. "Fred" Hoiberg Those Sixers jerseys looked so good on Iverson and so bad on everyone else.
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Jul 8, 2017 05:41
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Ron Mercer He deserved better than growing up to be a J cole line
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Jul 8, 2017 05:41
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MourningView posted:Dean Oliver came up with the Four Factors a long time ago, it's possible it doesn't perfectly fit an era where teams shot this accurately and this often from 3. Or the Warriors are so good they just broke math, I dunno The Heat punted rebounding during their championship years as well.
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Jul 8, 2017 05:43
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Cool Buff Man posted:I always look forward to WhyteRyce summer league heckling stories
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Jul 8, 2017 06:02
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leftist heap posted:I just have a hard time buying that rebounding is just somehow dead. If that is the conclusion of "data" then imo there is some part of the analysis that is missing. There's more to life than correlation coefficients, drat it Rebounding isn't dead it's just been completely neutralized as a critical factor in winning. Elite 3P shooting has become imperative to going for a title in the last five years. Rick posted:Also you can be a bad rebounding team because you shoot too well. That's why shooting has become way, way more important than rebounding these days. We're in an era featuring the best shooting in NBA history ever. code:Lockback posted:I think the data is overreacting to a couple teams... In what way? Zogo fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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Jul 8, 2017 06:34
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Going back to Ryan Anderson vs. Carmelo I was surprised to see how closely they ranked in some areas: http://www.basketball-reference.com...y01&idx=players MourningView posted:Dean Oliver came up with the Four Factors a long time ago, it's possible it doesn't perfectly fit an era where teams shot this accurately and this often from 3. Or the Warriors are so good they just broke math, I dunno Yea, the ORB% factor/axiom is becoming outmoded. The four factors were created in an older and earlier version of basketball. Basketball on Paper was published in 2004 but if it was published in the 1970s then rebounding would've been extremely emphasized. I'd like to see the consensus +/- numbers for as far as they go back. Metapod posted:I understand that the data says that but I truly believe that the data is wrong. Rebounding is a fundamental part of the game to say that it has no correlation to winning is just inaccurate The correlation between SRS and DRB% last year was .03 SRS and ORB% was .12 .03 is nearly a perfect zero correlation. It isn't fundamental to be the best at rebounding any longer. Niwrad posted:Fire GarPax billboard is going up in a couple weeks. I'm surprised Pippen (the Bulls ambassador/advisor) went on TV to talk about this. Zogo fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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Jul 8, 2017 06:50
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Well gently caress, reborn4hdlive has switched to a system where the only way to buy a package is via bitcoin or chinese gift cards. Guess I'm back to league pass and punting the dozen or so games a year that the Celtics are nationally broadcast.
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Jul 8, 2017 06:56
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straight up brolic posted:Andrew Wiggins is dead rear end just his dad He's a huge disappointment
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Jul 8, 2017 07:26
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Brian Windhorst: LeBron James had active conversations with Jeff Green before decision to sign with Cavs, sources said. – via Twitter WindhorstESPN JEFF GREEN IS A CAV LADIES AND GENTLEMEN Shelvin Mack is nearly a magic, a better pg than Elfrid Payton Salvor_Hardin posted:Well gently caress, reborn4hdlive has switched to a system where the only way to buy a package is via bitcoin or chinese gift cards. Guess I'm back to league pass and punting the dozen or so games a year that the Celtics are nationally broadcast. There are some sites that make buying bitcoin really simple. At most you might need to bring a piece of paper to your bank Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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Jul 8, 2017 07:27
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How would you calculate if it matters if like a 40%efg team got a 2nd opportunity each possession if they missed, but were playing a 55%efg team, with no other factors. Would the 40% team get a sure win?
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Jul 8, 2017 07:48
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Well gently caress, reborn4hdlive has switched to a system where the only way to buy a package is via bitcoin or chinese gift cards. Guess I'm back to league pass and punting the dozen or so games a year that the Celtics are nationally broadcast. Or cut cable and get Sling or Vue.
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Jul 8, 2017 08:01
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or just find streams off reddit (unfortunately the best stream for a couple games i found last season had pepe the frog in the corner for some reason)
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Jul 8, 2017 08:13
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With Jeff Green, the Cavs have added another top 5 pick to their team.
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Jul 8, 2017 08:18
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Teams used to send 2 or 3 guys to the offensive glass; now they send 1 if any. Everyone's so concerned about giving up open 3s/layups/fouls in transition that transition defense is prioritized over offensive rebounding. It's like when they box out after a free throw - the shot is so likely to go in, and even if it misses the defensive rebounder has such a massive advantage, that the offensive rebounder only gives a token effort. That same dynamic happens on live ball possessions now. So it doesn't surprise me that rebounding no longer is highly correlated with winning. Look back at games from earlier decades... every time a shot goes up it is a loving war down there. Now that doesn't happen outside of crunch time or if Tristan Thompson is in the game.
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Jul 8, 2017 08:51
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R.D. Mangles posted:OH HELL YEAH He was great as the Scarecrow in Batman Begins IMO
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Jul 8, 2017 08:54
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R.D. Mangles posted:who is your favorite lovely Bulls player, mine is Fredman J. "Fred" Hoiberg tyrus thomas because the amount of gloating the fans did about that draft day trade and the hand wringing over how his per was actually secretly quite good was a fun ride
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Jul 8, 2017 11:46
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Taj!!! Noo!!! http://www.tmz.com/2017/07/07/nba-star-taj-gibson-arrested-new-york-city-driving-suspended-license/
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Jul 8, 2017 12:31
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Cool Buff Man posted:Taj!!! Noo!!! Minnesota takes responsible driving seriously. Were his tags up to date? proctorbot posted:Teams used to send 2 or 3 guys to the offensive glass; now they send 1 if any. Everyone's so concerned about giving up open 3s/layups/fouls in transition that transition defense is prioritized over offensive rebounding. . Except defensive rebounding doesn't correlate either. You can separate rebounding and even teams that let offensive boards go do Ok. Declan MacManus posted:
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I think there are a couple teams that have had a lot of success despite punting on rebounding, but I don't think it's been neutralized, there just happens to be successful teams that are not good rebounders. To say it's been neutralized you'd need to take a good DRB team like SAS or OKC and make them bad and see how it effects their win percentage. I'm fairly certain it would, and not in the positive.
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Jul 8, 2017 12:53
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Femur posted:How would you calculate if it matters if like a 40%efg team got a 2nd opportunity each possession if they missed, but were playing a 55%efg team, with no other factors. Would the 40% team get a sure win? It would be very close. I made some assumptions about the other stats involved, and the poor shooting team ended up with 35 more FGA than the good shooting team, and outscored them by 2.5 points. I think that's about the high end. You could make other reasonable assumptions that would make it essentially tied.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Eastern Conference Finals at Bronny's This is from yesterday but my brain took this idea and ran. There isn't any text because I can't make fonts and google was coming up with nothing. Anyway, here's this 
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Jul 8, 2017 14:07
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Dejan Bimble posted:There are some sites that make buying bitcoin really simple. At most you might need to bring a piece of paper to your bank Bite your tongue. Kibner posted:Or cut cable and get Sling or Vue. Haven't had cable in a while. I'll look into those.
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Jul 8, 2017 15:17
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Zogo posted:Rebounding isn't dead it's just been completely neutralized as a critical factor in winning. Elite 3P shooting has become imperative to going for a title in the last five years. What your data says about elite shooting teams going for a title is they either need to also be great at defense or have LeBron or both. Rebounding is still important to win because rebounding is apart of limiting your opponents chances. The team that challenged LeBron the most in the East while in Miami was a pacer team that was a great defensive rebounding team and the team that challenged the warriors the most in the West has been a okc team that was great at rebounding. Neither of those teams would I say were elite shooting teams and they both came close to going to the finals.
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Jul 8, 2017 15:55
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Haven't had cable in a while. I'll look into those. Vue owns but their mid-tier package just went up  (the others probably did too) which kinda sucks
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Jul 8, 2017 16:00
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Metapod posted:What your data says about elite shooting teams going for a title is they either need to also be great at defense or have LeBron or both. Rebounding is still important to win because rebounding is apart of limiting your opponents chances. The team that challenged LeBron the most in the East while in Miami was a pacer team that was a great defensive rebounding team and the team that challenged the warriors the most in the West has been a okc team that was great at rebounding. Neither of those teams would I say were elite shooting teams and they both came close to going to the finals. There are some interactions that make extrapolations from the data very difficult. LeBron aside, teams that are good defensively while being poor defensive rebounders do it by going small. It's not that they are saying that rebounding doesn't matter, it's that they calculate the benefit of being able to switch on pnrs to be more valuable than what they give up through second chances. It isn't clear that just any team can go small and gain an immediate benefit in pnr defense. Presumably some teams don't go small because they don't like to change a good thing (MEM) or because they're not the smartest (NYK), but some teams must avoid small lineups because they don't have the personnel. In any case, as you point out, not any team can just copy the winning strategy of elite teams, they need to make many other adjustments and it may not pay off anyway.
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Jul 8, 2017 16:05
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https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/883703921281191936 https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/883704242179002369
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Jul 8, 2017 16:16
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Jul 8, 2017 16:17
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Thabo, come back to OKC buddy. We supported you during your cornrows phase. We loved you when you shot 28% from 3. We're proud of your Swiss heritage.
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Jul 8, 2017 16:41
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Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/883399485728083968 Could a NBA team of 6 gammas win a chip? For example Starting 5: Wall, Beal, PG13, Whiteside, Millsap, Demar as 6 man Does that beat the Warriors?
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Jul 8, 2017 17:10
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Year 4 of me going drat, I'd take a flier on him.
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Jul 8, 2017 17:14
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883722955573690370 enjoy
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Jul 8, 2017 17:24
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Cool Buff Man posted:https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/883703921281191936 Bring back KJ ('s mom), BC
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I've talked myself into it. He'll still be under 30 when the contract expires at least. My major concern is he'll win some garbage games in May, costing us lottery slots.
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