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In case people think edgy, tryhard poo poo like Reborn is an oddity in Pokemon Fangames No, people still don't get it.
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In fairness, edgy, tryhard poo poo is basically the norm for fanfiction in general, so it's not surprising that "fanfiction, but a game" follows the pattern.
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Jul 8, 2017 07:41
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EclecticTastes posted:In fairness, edgy, tryhard poo poo is basically the norm for fanfiction in general Where's that drat fourth chaos emerald?
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Jul 8, 2017 07:55
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For some weird reason it's really hard to take a story seriously when it contains the line "dozens of Gengars using Focus Blasts."
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Jul 8, 2017 08:05
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I've been trying to think of how you could possibly make a "darker" Pokemon game, without going super grimdark, and I wonder if you could do like a private investigator thing. You play a private eye, you go around solving crimes (cartoony in a bunch of ways, but still things like assault, robberies, kidnappings, etc), your Pokemon are chosen less for combat, and more for their various skills at helping you examine crime scenes and such. You're an adult, maybe you have to pay upkeep for your business, you can hunt Pokemon between your cases but your goal isn't to catch them all, it's important for you to train them to aid your cases, etc etc.
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Jul 8, 2017 09:12
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Sindai posted:For some weird reason it's really hard to take a story seriously when it contains the line "dozens of Gengars using Focus Blasts." Just decrease their accuracy, those focus blasts won't be hitting jack poo poo
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Jul 8, 2017 10:34
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Kurui Reiten posted:I've been trying to think of how you could possibly make a "darker" Pokemon game, without going super grimdark, and I wonder if you could do like a private investigator thing. You play a private eye, you go around solving crimes (cartoony in a bunch of ways, but still things like assault, robberies, kidnappings, etc), your Pokemon are chosen less for combat, and more for their various skills at helping you examine crime scenes and such. You're an adult, maybe you have to pay upkeep for your business, you can hunt Pokemon between your cases but your goal isn't to catch them all, it's important for you to train them to aid your cases, etc etc. Apparently Nintendo had the same idea. Anyway, I thought the Mystery Dungeon games were pretty good plot-wise - darker than regular Pokemon, but written reasonably well and not too grimdark.
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Jul 8, 2017 10:59
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I realise that Absolute Virtue was a while ago (I've been in the country with no internet) but something that needs to be mentioned is uh, AV shares a lot of similarities with a 'raid boss' in the backstory of .Hack - you know how Balmung of the Azure Sky and Orca of the Azure Sea have those fancy titles? They got them by teaming up to take down this boss (like AV, it had a gimmick where you had to counter it cyclically, and it was best fought with two players instead of the maximum 3 in order to minimize lag time and potential mixups when executing the counter), and I'm pretty sure this thing came first. So AV which is the punchline to basically any and all unkillable superbosses, is apparently based on a boss (there are more similarities than just the gimmick, I am massively skimming here) who is only notable because it died to two guys who are a big deal.
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Jul 8, 2017 12:47
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Inadequately posted:Apparently Nintendo had the same idea. Didn't the second set of Mystery Dungeon games have things like someone building up your trust the entire game, just to stab you in the back, the complete destruction of time, and someone encouraging the main character to commit suicide? I mean, just saying, if done properly, you can get dark as gently caress, and still be an entertaining story that fits in with pokemon.
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Jul 8, 2017 13:45
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Inadequately posted:Apparently Nintendo had the same idea. Detective Pokachu never got a US release, but apparently Legendary Pictures is trying to make a Live Action film based off of it.
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Jul 8, 2017 14:45
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Randalor posted:Didn't the second set of Mystery Dungeon games have things like someone building up your trust the entire game, just to stab you in the back, the complete destruction of time, and someone encouraging the main character to commit suicide? I mean, just saying, if done properly, you can get dark as gently caress, and still be an entertaining story that fits in with pokemon. You just need all your taskmasters, allies, popcorn grunts, and townie NPCs to be goofy and/or pathetic? :p
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Jul 8, 2017 14:49
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Xelkelvos posted:Detective Pokachu never got a US release, but apparently Legendary Pictures is trying to make a Live Action film based off of it. Fantastic Pokemon and Where to Find Them?
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Jul 8, 2017 15:16
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A few years back I found a copy of Explorers of Darkness lying around somewhere, and when I started playing it had a really good idea: pick Torchic as your starter and name it JoJo. I called it Torchic's Bizarre Adventure and it had no right to be as hilarious as it was to go through. Wrist Watch fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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Jul 8, 2017 16:11
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Ace of Aces posted:I realise that Absolute Virtue was a while ago (I've been in the country with no internet) but something that needs to be mentioned is uh, AV shares a lot of similarities with a 'raid boss' in the backstory of .Hack - you know how Balmung of the Azure Sky and Orca of the Azure Sea have those fancy titles? They got them by teaming up to take down this boss (like AV, it had a gimmick where you had to counter it cyclically, and it was best fought with two players instead of the maximum 3 in order to minimize lag time and potential mixups when executing the counter), and I'm pretty sure this thing came first. AV might be somewhat similar to One Sin from .hack, but One Sin was actually killable. For the unaware, in .hack's backstory, One Sin was a previously believed to be undefeatable boss that hanged around in Sickened Imprisoned Fallen Angel. It was a superboss with 65,536HP in a zone full of nasty high-level monsters in the first place. The One Sin would instantly counterattack any attack thrown at it, so many players never figured out its gimmick to kill it, since they'd just attack it and get their butts kicked. In reality all it took was attacking it with the opposite element of whatever element it was currently using to deal damage. But that also meant, at least according to Balmung and Bear, and a certain Poet who was watching, you could never beat the One Sin using a conventional set-up. Three players would be too chaotic, so only two players could do it.
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Jul 8, 2017 16:22
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Of course nobody could see through a mechanic that's been in every JRPG ever Every time I hear about .Hack it sounds like none of the writers ever actually played a video game
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Jul 8, 2017 16:24
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That could apply to nearly every one of the anime/manga in the 'players inside an MMO' genre.
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Jul 8, 2017 16:36
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Dexie posted:That could apply to nearly every one of the anime/manga in the 'players inside an MMO' genre. Log Horizon can be seen in opposite to that. If only from the authors own massive admission to being a giant MMO nerd
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Jul 8, 2017 16:49
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krisslanza posted:AV might be somewhat similar to One Sin from .hack, but One Sin was actually killable. ...How is that in any way too chaotic for three people?
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Jul 8, 2017 17:30
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Eopia posted:...How is that in any way too chaotic for three people? Hell one of the bosses in a dungeon in the new FF14 expansion has almost exactly that gimmick. That gimmick has been an FF series staple since the SNES days.
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Jul 8, 2017 18:03
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Eopia posted:...How is that in any way too chaotic for three people? Just what the official novels said about it. One of the books I had has some players watch the fight, and say it'd been impossible to do it with a full party (3 people), because it'd be too chaotic. Presumably you have to perfectly time the attacks, so you could only do it with a duo.
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Jul 8, 2017 18:34
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Xelkelvos posted:Detective Pokachu never got a US release, but apparently Legendary Pictures is trying to make a Live Action film based off of it. Let's just hope they get the casting right.
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Jul 8, 2017 21:28
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Xelkelvos posted:Detective Pokachu never got a US release, but apparently Legendary Pictures is trying to make a Live Action film based off of it. 
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Jul 8, 2017 21:31
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Sindai posted:Of course nobody could see through a mechanic that's been in every JRPG ever That would go a long way to explaining why the developers' apparent platonic ideal for MMOs was Phantasy Star Online. No joke, The World was based directly on PSO, complete with every PC just being a generic class/gender-specific model with a color swap applied, the gameplay consisting of hub worlds and disconnected maps, and so on, and while that's not a bad setup for a console MMO, in-universe, the characters are all playing on computers. Granted, Everquest's Japanese release was a bit of a niche item, but still, you'd think they'd have done at least cursory research on western MMOs before making their overly ambitious multimedia franchise on the topic.
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Jul 9, 2017 01:30
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I think the intention behind One Sin is that it switches to whatever element you attack with. So two guys trading blows keep hitting the weak point, while a third is going to force the players to switch elements. Haven't read the novel though so that may work or be directly contradicted.
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Jul 9, 2017 01:45
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though the third could go on strict healing duty - honestly as flawed as .hack's MMO premise is, it's still miles better than SAO's "Monsters don't respawn when killed" and hell everything is miles better than SAO
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Jul 9, 2017 02:06
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Onmi posted:In case people think edgy, tryhard poo poo like Reborn is an oddity in Pokemon Fangames It's an outcropping of diehard fans wanting to make games more geared to 'adult' sensibilities. I mean even if I don't agree with it, I get it. No 20-something wants to make a fangame for 10 year olds (unless they love kids I guess). Unfortunately none of them seem to know where 'Adult' ends and 'Grimdark edgy bullshit' begins. And I mean 'society where open dogfighting in the streets is not only allowed, but encouraged' is fertile ground for that sort of thing.
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Jul 9, 2017 02:06
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Robindaybird posted:though the third could go on strict healing duty - honestly as flawed as .hack's MMO premise is, it's still miles better than SAO's "Monsters don't respawn when killed" and hell everything is miles better than SAO SAO sounds like it was written by someone who only read about MMOs and never played any.
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Jul 9, 2017 02:54
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Xelkelvos posted:SAO sounds like it was written by someone who only read about MMOs and never played any. Someone actually did a video on analyzing SAO just as an actual game. Many of its things that sound/look neat on paper... are actually really horrible for actual gameplay purposes. That's also ignoring the fact the author of SAO seems to think the single most important thing for an MMO player is their reflexes, given that is Kirito's single 'special' thing that makes him so strong.
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Jul 9, 2017 03:16
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Reminds me of some fantasy MMO that was being shilled on Imgur for a while - considers a 10+ year development cycle to be positive point, and include features such as in-game aging - including death from old age, characters persisting even when players logged off, maps only being available after someone goes out ad survey - and the most hilarious - that all 'law enforcement' in game will not be done by admins or employees but players.
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Jul 9, 2017 03:22
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Robindaybird posted:Reminds me of some fantasy MMO that was being shilled on Imgur for a while - considers a 10+ year development cycle to be positive point, and include features such as in-game aging - including death from old age, characters persisting even when players logged off, maps only being available after someone goes out ad survey - and the most hilarious - that all 'law enforcement' in game will not be done by admins or employees but players. That sounds like it'd go Lord of the Flies in literally seconds.
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Jul 9, 2017 03:24
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krisslanza posted:Someone actually did a video on analyzing SAO just as an actual game. Kirito was also a god-sue Self-Insert character, but that's besides the point in that Reki Kawahara can't write for poo poo. Seriously, the loving ABRIDGED SERIES by Something Witty on youtube told that anime's first arc better than the anime it's self.
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Jul 9, 2017 03:28
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The detective's romance needs to come from whoo-res.
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Jul 9, 2017 04:24
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ChrisBTY posted:It's an outcropping of diehard fans wanting to make games more geared to 'adult' sensibilities. It's not the 20-somethings writing grimdark fanfic, it's teenagers.
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Jul 9, 2017 04:43
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Ratoslov posted:That sounds like it'd go Lord of the Flies in literally seconds. Yeah, that's something everyone who isn't literally shilling the game or apparently are the same dumbasses who backed Star Citizen had pointed out: You cannot trust an online community of any size to self-regulate without it going to hell.
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Jul 9, 2017 05:24
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Took a look at the thread that onmi screenshotted earlier, saw this quote -- looks like developers didn't use tripcodes so it could be an impersonator, but doesn't quite look that way:quote:HI Im the other guy whos working on this game. The only thing I'll say is that he has ideas for other Elemental Monkeys for EVERY type. Like Panpour Pansear and Pansage. We are also giving ALL of them evolutions, which means around 60 ish monkeys. We would love to hear what you people think of this great idea! why are people like this
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Jul 9, 2017 19:18
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Kurui Reiten posted:I've been trying to think of how you could possibly make a "darker" Pokemon game, without going super grimdark, and I wonder if you could do like a private investigator thing. You play a private eye, you go around solving crimes (cartoony in a bunch of ways, but still things like assault, robberies, kidnappings, etc), your Pokemon are chosen less for combat, and more for their various skills at helping you examine crime scenes and such. You're an adult, maybe you have to pay upkeep for your business, you can hunt Pokemon between your cases but your goal isn't to catch them all, it's important for you to train them to aid your cases, etc etc. You 95% described the Raidou Kuzunoha games on PS2.
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Jul 9, 2017 20:35
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tunapirate posted:Took a look at the thread that onmi screenshotted earlier, saw this quote -- looks like developers didn't use tripcodes so it could be an impersonator, but doesn't quite look that way: Nobody even likes them to begin with
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Jul 9, 2017 23:59
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Testekill posted:Nobody even likes them to begin with The joke being they were useful for all of one gym in White/Black 1, lovely and were to be evolved and then tossed in the box to rot away till the end of time. WHY they did that, other than to "teach" children type matchups, I will never understand. Poor, poor monkies, you suck and nobody wants you...*insert monkey brains joke here*
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Jul 10, 2017 00:03
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Testekill posted:Nobody even likes them to begin with that's what makes it a good joke (and an obvious troll, but still)
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Jul 10, 2017 00:04
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I like the monkeys. 
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