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Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



Phyresis posted:

they should remove thick skinned and give counselors built-in damage absorption as another balance axis

e: gently caress, what an awful snipe

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Inside Out Mom
Jan 9, 2004

Franklin B. Znorps
Dignity, Class, Internet
Heah johntron fuckin sucks and his videos were bad. He's like the dollar store Nathan lane.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
I find Jontron's material funny and I still hope to see him admit he's only being a nazi because "heh, le SJWs? :grin:" and sort his poo poo out :( He used to cap out at "sorta lovely gamer" until he got enough validation from the nazi crowd that he dove face first into that poo poo

KOMI
Sep 21, 2005
I know it's Reddit, but jesus loving christ I find myself becoming frustrated trying to rationalize the arguments they are making against the Devs. I really do hope that the Devs are thick skinned and realize this will blow over when everyone loses interest by the next content patch release.

I guess what I'm saying is I actually like this game more than I have any right to, and would like to not see it get ruined by the sheer number of loving babies who are full of stupid, uneducated opinions which consistently get upvoted.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
JonTron makes me sad because with scripted material, he can be quite good. Very reactionary comic- in need of a straight man, which I guess was meant to be the parrot. But still, good comic timing and writing. His improv skills are pretty terrible on the flip side, which makes him an awful Let's Player. He needs a script to work at his best.



And he's also just got some awful views of the world and people in general, and has been bolstered by other awful people. He's got some real talent, shame about who he is. Like R Kelly, only with racism and not that much talent.

Apple2o
Mar 25, 2009

by Pragmatica

(and can't post for 9 years!)

Regrettable posted:

Hmm, a Trump supporter who's mad at the game and stating his incorrect assumptions as fact. Way to prove his point for him, idiot.

People can cry about him all they want. Clearly nobody here owns stock because I been looking at mine since the election and typically jump for joy.

Towards the game? He can only stop the car if you are driving into him.

You can start driving the car forwards or backwards (wherever Jason isn't approaching you from) and there's pretty much jack all he can do about it unless you are stuck in a tiny alleyway.

He is in front of you? Drive the car backwards, he can't hood slam if you are moving over 1mph backwards even if he is touching the car.

He is behind you? Start driving the car forwards, then the only recourse is to try to shift in front of you (and then you start driving backwards again).

Any competent driver is neigh-invincible in an open area. Especially against a run-incapable Jason. The only thing stopping you is the servers being outsourced to China so everyone's pings are always in the 300's.

You can try to say im bad but I pretty much own at every PvP game I have bothered to learn.

And yeah, the solution is to never let them start the car in the first place.

VolticSurge
Jul 23, 2013

Just your friendly neighborhood photobomb raptor.



Apple2o posted:

People can cry about him all they want. Clearly nobody here owns stock because I been looking at mine since the election and typically jump for joy.

Towards the game? He can only stop the car if you are driving into him.

You can start driving the car forwards or backwards (wherever Jason isn't approaching you from) and there's pretty much jack all he can do about it unless you are stuck in a tiny alleyway.

He is in front of you? Drive the car backwards, he can't hood slam if you are moving over 1mph backwards even if he is touching the car.

He is behind you? Start driving the car forwards, then the only recourse is to try to shift in front of you (and then you start driving backwards again).

Any competent driver is neigh-invincible in an open area. Especially against a run-incapable Jason. The only thing stopping you is the servers being outsourced to China so everyone's pings are always in the 300's.

You can try to say im bad but I pretty much own at every PvP game I have bothered to learn.


And yeah, the solution is to never let them start the car in the first place.


Oh my God, are you Chad IRL?

Skunkrocker
Jan 14, 2012

Your favorite furry wrestler.

Apple2o posted:

People can cry about him all they want. Clearly nobody here owns stock because I been looking at mine since the election and typically jump for joy.

No one loving cares

Lunethex
Feb 4, 2013

Me llamo Sarah Brandolino, the eighth Castilian of this magnificent marriage.

Skunkrocker posted:

No one loving cares

This but to the entire thread at this point.

VolticSurge
Jul 23, 2013

Just your friendly neighborhood photobomb raptor.



Lunethex posted:

This but to the entire thread at this point.


Skunkrocker posted:

No one loving cares

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



Apple2o posted:

People can cry about him all they want. Clearly nobody here owns stock because I been looking at mine since the election and typically jump for joy.

Towards the game? He can only stop the car if you are driving into him.

You can start driving the car forwards or backwards (wherever Jason isn't approaching you from) and there's pretty much jack all he can do about it unless you are stuck in a tiny alleyway.

He is in front of you? Drive the car backwards, he can't hood slam if you are moving over 1mph backwards even if he is touching the car.

He is behind you? Start driving the car forwards, then the only recourse is to try to shift in front of you (and then you start driving backwards again).

Any competent driver is neigh-invincible in an open area. Especially against a run-incapable Jason. The only thing stopping you is the servers being outsourced to China so everyone's pings are always in the 300's.

You can try to say im bad but I pretty much own at every PvP game I have bothered to learn.

And yeah, the solution is to never let them start the car in the first place.

The car is a deathtrap against a good Jason so yeah you're bad at this game.

Phyresis
Nov 2, 2004

I can't sleep, I hope I stay awake

Cause I've been running, running, running all day

Long nights, no peace

I feel like everybody's eyes on me

Phyresis posted:

when will they ban Chad from existence

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



I have never seen a car escape when Duster was Jason and I don't think I've seen one escape from Tinfoil Jason either.

Tinfoil Papercut
Jul 27, 2016

by Athanatos

Regrettable posted:

I have never seen a car escape when Duster was Jason and I don't think I've seen one escape from Tinfoil Jason either.

It happens on occasion, almost exclusively a solo boat or 2 seater car escape. It really is your best chance.

Phyresis
Nov 2, 2004

I can't sleep, I hope I stay awake

Cause I've been running, running, running all day

Long nights, no peace

I feel like everybody's eyes on me
I've definitely escaped at least once in every vehicle vs. both Duster and Tinfoil, never a full 4-seater tho, just empty or one passenger

but I'm not a rich ubermensch so :suicide:

joylessdivision
Jun 15, 2013



The yellow car is a reference to the couple killed in Part 6 in said yellow car full of stuff.

It's the American Express death scene

:goonsay:

Draven
May 6, 2005

friendship is magic

Apple2o posted:

People can cry about him all they want. Clearly nobody here owns stock because I been looking at mine since the election and typically jump for joy.

Towards the game? He can only stop the car if you are driving into him.

You can start driving the car forwards or backwards (wherever Jason isn't approaching you from) and there's pretty much jack all he can do about it unless you are stuck in a tiny alleyway.

He is in front of you? Drive the car backwards, he can't hood slam if you are moving over 1mph backwards even if he is touching the car.

He is behind you? Start driving the car forwards, then the only recourse is to try to shift in front of you (and then you start driving backwards again).

Any competent driver is neigh-invincible in an open area. Especially against a run-incapable Jason. The only thing stopping you is the servers being outsourced to China so everyone's pings are always in the 300's.

You can try to say im bad but I pretty much own at every PvP game I have bothered to learn.

And yeah, the solution is to never let them start the car in the first place.

Hahahahahahah

No one loving cares bud.

"I am the best at video games but I can't be bothered by them. I have better things to do like try to wave my dick around online" :smuggo:

Draven fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Jul 8, 2017

DLC Inc
Jun 1, 2011

Danaru posted:

I find Jontron's material funny and I still hope to see him admit he's only being a nazi because "heh, le SJWs? :grin:" and sort his poo poo out :( He used to cap out at "sorta lovely gamer" until he got enough validation from the nazi crowd that he dove face first into that poo poo

he hasn't made any material in like 8 months, too busy doing important poo poo like getting mad on twitter constantly

KOMI posted:

I know it's Reddit, but jesus loving christ I find myself becoming frustrated trying to rationalize the arguments they are making against the Devs. I really do hope that the Devs are thick skinned and realize this will blow over when everyone loses interest by the next content patch release.

I guess what I'm saying is I actually like this game more than I have any right to, and would like to not see it get ruined by the sheer number of loving babies who are full of stupid, uneducated opinions which consistently get upvoted.

Friday the 13th has been a digital bestseller for like a month and a half so I wouldn't worry, reddit is a microcosm of morons that wont matter in the long run

Skunkrocker
Jan 14, 2012

Your favorite furry wrestler.

joylessdivision posted:

The yellow car is a reference to the couple killed in Part 6 in said yellow car full of stuff.

It's the American Express death scene

:goonsay:

Um... that's a Beetle convertible, bud.

The Anime Liker
Aug 8, 2009

by VideoGames
Just think of the negative press GUN will receive when word of mouth gets around that lovely reddit teens are mad that you can't abuse other players in the game.

The crowd of people who love Friday the 13th movies and grew up watching them are going to be pissed that 13 year olds won't be calling them "faggots" and making GBS threads up the game. PISSED I TELL YOU.

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



Welp, I just had my worst Jason match ever. Apparently hammering the shift button to drop out of it never works when I'm in front of the car. Seriously, it has never once worked for me.

Grem
Mar 29, 2004

It's how her species communicates

Apple2o posted:

People can cry about him all they want. Clearly nobody here owns stock because I been looking at mine since the election and typically jump for joy.

Towards the game? He can only stop the car if you are driving into him.

You can start driving the car forwards or backwards (wherever Jason isn't approaching you from) and there's pretty much jack all he can do about it unless you are stuck in a tiny alleyway.

He is in front of you? Drive the car backwards, he can't hood slam if you are moving over 1mph backwards even if he is touching the car.

He is behind you? Start driving the car forwards, then the only recourse is to try to shift in front of you (and then you start driving backwards again).

Any competent driver is neigh-invincible in an open area. Especially against a run-incapable Jason. The only thing stopping you is the servers being outsourced to China so everyone's pings are always in the 300's.

You can try to say im bad but I pretty much own at every PvP game I have bothered to learn.

And yeah, the solution is to never let them start the car in the first place.

You sound like a bad Jason.

Morph well in front of whichever way the car is going, stalk, shift down the road and reappear right into the hood or trunk, it's really not that hard. Also how do you have ping in the 300s? Mine is never over 200. You're a mess, bro.

Tinfoil Papercut
Jul 27, 2016

by Athanatos
Oh reddit, you never cease to amaze me:

:reddit: / internet pubbies posted:


This is a data-driven counselor tier list, using lots of conclusions gleaned from my counselor stats guide. Please read that before commenting!

Counselor Tier List

TOP TIER (unquestionably solid choices in every match, for every situation)
-Vanessa Jones
-Chad Kensington

HIGH TIER (crucial specialists who are necessary, despite their shortcomings)
-Deborah Kim
-Eric "J.R." Lachappa

MID/LOW TIER (this is where the order gets kind of dicey -- every counselor below this point has serious downsides, and is just a worse version of someone else)
-Tiffany Cox
-Brandon "Buggzy" Wilson
-Adam Palomino
-A.J. Mason
-Jenny Myers

KENNY TIER
-Kenny Riedell

Just to reiterate, Adam and AJ are "mid / low" tier to these people. They all had big long wrong explanations. But hey, this is 'data driven' so wtf do I know.

Bottom line: Play with Goons.

Grem
Mar 29, 2004

It's how her species communicates

Every Vanessa player I've ever seen is horrible.

Mutant Headcrab
May 14, 2007
Had an interesting bug today. Playing as Part 2 Jason, I grabbed the last counselor (a Vanessa) at the same time I walked onto a bear trap. It took me forever to button mash out of it and the Vanessa was in my clutches the entire time.

When I got out of the trap, the Vanessa was still in my grab and I tried for an environmental kill. Set up perfectly for a wall smash and when I activated it... Vanessa inexplicably clipped into me in a semi-crouched position. She was literally stuck in me as I was slowed down, still stuck in grab kill mode (my grab commands were still up but greyed out).

It looked like I was giving her a piggy back ride until the match timed out.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Grem posted:

Every Vanessa player I've ever seen is horrible.

Vanessa can do one thing well, and that's run. If you're a Vanessa and you're not spaz-running into and out of every situation then you're not doing it right. Also it's hilarious that their "Mid/Low Tier" are all objectively good counselors, like those are literally all the best counselors but thanks to DATA we can see that we were all horribly wrong. They're really the worst counselors. I'm glad Reddit was there to set the record straight.

Anyway, had a great moment where a jackassy smart mouth was taunting my Jason, even mocking the trap I laid outside the cabin he kept ducking into and out of to keep me distracted. Cut to about five or ten minutes later in the match, as I'm scrambling around trying to find out what everybody else is up to (it's Higgins and there's only the four-seater and boat, phone is trapped and nobody's going for it), I head back to the guy's favorite cabin and he gets his rear end trapped by my trap. Didn't really help me, but it was pretty satisfying.

I was actually sucking pretty hard that match until I managed to kill an AJ who was trying to swim away from me in the water, and then from there I stopped the four-seater to kill a Chad, then snagged the boat just as it was about to leave killing an Adam and a Bonus Chad. Then the jackass came back (after escaping in the car) as Tommy and I drowned him on the way to the boat which was his only option left.

joylessdivision
Jun 15, 2013



Skunkrocker posted:

Um... that's a Beetle convertible, bud.

:eng99: poo poo.

I don't know cars, they just looked similar to me.

The Anime Liker
Aug 8, 2009

by VideoGames
As a consistent 7/7 or 8/8 Jason in pub games, Buggzy is literally the only character I hate coming across

Vanessa and Chad are only worth a poo poo in the first 5 minutes when running is a strategy.

2 or especially 3 organized Buggzy/Adam combos in the later 3/4ths of the game loving clown a Jason into raging and getting tunnel vision.

AJ is good at early repairs and late hiding as a last ditch effort.

Kenny and Jenny are utterly worthless across the board.

Tiffany is a wild card I can't pin down. A really good Tiffany is never going to solo escape or hurt Jason, but can be a huge nuisance late game.

.

In highly organized games I've learned that you have to absolutely kill Deb and Lachappa or you're going to have to scramble like crazy to stop vehicles.

And you may as well give up on taking on a gang of Buggzy/Adams. You HAVE to hack and slash them because you'll eat a baseball bat/axe on every grab as they dogpile your sorry rear end.

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


Tinfoil Papercut posted:

Oh reddit, you never cease to amaze me:


Just to reiterate, Adam and AJ are "mid / low" tier to these people. They all had big long wrong explanations. But hey, this is 'data driven' so wtf do I know.

Bottom line: Play with Goons.

yeah but

quote:

TOP TIER
-Chad Kensington

Phyresis
Nov 2, 2004

I can't sleep, I hope I stay awake

Cause I've been running, running, running all day

Long nights, no peace

I feel like everybody's eyes on me
Vanessa is good but Brandon is like the best counselor, some people prefer Adam. And it depends on how much weight you assign to the women for being able to wear the sweater. Like that means nothing to most players but it's v important for some. Vanessa's the best sweater wearer.

You don't need to have Deb or LaChappa level repair skills in this game. You just don't. So they are kinda crap actually. AJ and Adam are good enough, even Vanessa isn't total poo poo at it.

I don't think you can only look at the counselors individually in a vacuum, either. You wouldn't want 7 Bugs. A good mix of Adam, AJ, Brandon, Tiff/Van is good. You don't want Jason to be able to address every counselor with the same solution, you gotta throw poo poo at him. See if he'll tunnel vision on Vanessa or Bugs early. I've gotten Jason to chase my Vanessa from the literal start of the game for 8+ minutes while people escape in vehicles or call the police. Even if you die, you fucken carried that game for the counselors.

It depends on what you value, I guess. Predictably, most people adopt very selfish strategies, at least initially. They don't want to die and either have to leave and requeue or sit there for 10+ minutes, hoping to become Tommy. But the game theory behind this game is designed pretty well. Basically, the designers have made the Prisoner's Dilemma into into an 8-player asymmetrical pvp game. If everyone Chads it up, the enforcer will easily murder all of you. So if you follow the strategy logically, maximum cooperation (like sacrificing your life for the greater good) will lead to a higher chance of victory for the counselors. At this moment, many of you must surely be thinking "hey, that sounds like a goon pre-made!" And yeah, the proof is right there. When all 7 of us are actually trying to escape (a unicorn sighting, i know) and communicating properly, all of the key items are located within a few seconds and most of them have escaped within the first 3-4 minutes. There's a lot of RNG involved (thank god) but there's a clear trend.

Chad's gotta be trash because I've internalized him as "free kills" in Jason Mode. Like literally never been a threat, but I think this is more the people that play Chad and his self-enforcing meme. If you random Chad you're likely to play him in a very Chad-like manner. People are fascinating

e: also this is why quick match sucks but the private lobbies are self-enforcing

Phyresis fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Jul 8, 2017

sinburger
Sep 10, 2006

*hurk*

I saw that reddit post. The guy "stat analysis" was basically "speed and stamina are the best stats so we will rank players based on that, all other stats have a negligible effect on play".

Then I got cancer and died because it was so loving stupid.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
It's also stupid because Buggzy and Adam can run like motherfuckers and also hit really hard. Vanessa and Chad can only do the former, and Chad isn't even that good at it.

The Anime Liker
Aug 8, 2009

by VideoGames
Chad is the second fastest but that means gently caress all if Jason is behind him because he will trip every other step.

But who am I to argue with a STAT ANALYST?

Skoll
Jul 26, 2013

Oh You'll Love My Toxic Love
Grimey Drawer
I too, disregard my personal sense of fun and only play the statistically optimal choice in video games.

Skunkrocker
Jan 14, 2012

Your favorite furry wrestler.
Their whole analysis is based on this incredibly stupid idea that the best way to win at this game is to play the long game and hope to survive.


Hold the gently caress up.

In reality, the best way to play this game is however you feel works best for you. I like AJ because while she's not the best at working on things she's okay. She's amazingly stealthy and her stamina isn't the best but it's passable. Hell, I fixed the boat with Tiffany by myself and got the Chad is a Dick achievement finally. With Tiffany! Stealth is great, I love it, and the guy goes on about how stealth and composure don't matter in the long run, and it's like... look mother fucker, I've escaped grabs as Jenny and Tommy without a knife. That's it. I don't see Chad or Vanessa escaping grabs. Once they're nicked it's game over. So, gently caress your tier list and frankly gently caress you.

It took me all morning to find that screenshot of Randy.

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.
nerd girl can slap the boat together faster than you can say WHOA... Is that a dead body??

VolticSurge
Jul 23, 2013

Just your friendly neighborhood photobomb raptor.



I personally can't wait to clown on pubbie Jasons as Adam while they're going":reddit: BUT ADAM IS LOW TIER THAT GUY SAID SO! :reddit:"

The Anime Liker
Aug 8, 2009

by VideoGames

Motherfucker posted:

nerd girl can slap the boat together faster than you can say WHOA... Is that a dead body??

If I'm playing for fun with friends I always Chad hard.

If I'm playing to win my girl Deb Kim will have that boat outta there in 3 minutes.

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

I always Chad hard.

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Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
Chad is also the best combat character in many ways. His high luck translates to high weapon durability, so combining Man at Arms with a bat and his luck turns it into Excalibat and you can get a good 4 or 5 hits out of one bat when typically one would expect it to break after 2 hits. Strength does not matter that much.

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