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nine-gear crow posted:The more I see of this poo poo, the more I'm convinced the US is going to get straight up kicked out of the G7 Russia-style and we're either going to see a G6 summit within four years or see China swapped in in America's place. Afterwards he will add Russia, Turkey, Poland and Syria.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Trump will kick everyone else out and will celebrate a strong unity in the G1. Appropriate that "G1" is the designation of a rifle.
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Pikavangelist posted:Please. Ryuk would have gotten bored and written down Mnoba's name after about three seconds. You think Ryuk is bored now that Clinton stop using her death note?
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Significant Ant posted:Guess which governor isn’t getting another term That wasn't what I was getting at. He seemed to be going hard on the 'no evidence' so I just want to know ahead of time what sources he would find credible so post-factual rationalizations are more difficult.
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Mnoba posted:the fact there is no evidence of any russian collusion isn't trolling, not sure why i would have to explain that to a person but there you go Well to start we have that whole Trump asking them to hack Hillary on loving video, but I guess that doesn't count as evidence in your book. Even ignoring that the circumstantial evidence is compelling. Given the timing of some of the email leaks and the speed and specificity with which the Trump campaign capitalized on them. The simple fact that the Trump administration has been not only unenthusiastic but hostile towards investigation of and responding to Russian interference in the 2016 election and their attempts to undermine western democracy in general is further incriminating. At first I thought that the likelihood of direct collusion was unlikely and that it was simply a coincidence of interests and opportunity, however the actions since the election have actually made me believe that direct collusion is very likely. Additionally I think that it is likely that there is a lot of Russian money behind the GOP. In particular through these superpacs and political action groups with zero transparency and accountability. Trump's firing of Comey itself is very strong evidence to my mind that Trump is trying to hide something. Something that even he believes will be his political undoing. Bear in mind that Comey himself is a Republican. As for that matter is Mueller. The Intelligence Community itself is conservative in nature so the very fact that they are pushing this story in the first place tends to lend it credibility in my mind. These are not bleeding heart liberal socialists we're talking about. These are people who are normally very supportive of Republicans so the simple fact that they are crying foul should be cause for concern in its own right. In the end if Trump and his people didn't have anything to hide, they would not be working so hard to hide it. At a minimum even if no evidence of direct and overt collusion is never found I believe that Mueller's investigation is going to find plenty of shady poo poo in Trump's financials. Time will tell, but the fact that Russia interfered in the US 2016 election is not a question of debate, the very reasonable and relevant question is whether or not the primary beneficiary of that interference was aware, informed or complicit in coordinating it. In particular given that the one consistent trait that Trump has shown has been in defense of Putin and in doing things (such as undermining our alliances against such totalitarian states) that serve Putin and Russian interests at the expense of the United States and our allies. We may not know the specifics of what there is there, but there is most certainly something there.
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You would think a president under intense scrutiny for colluding with Russia would try to distance himself from the Russian leadership but he's basically hugs and kisses with Putin. It's the most  thing ever.Like how hard would it be to take a tougher stance on Russia publicly to provide some kind of cover for himself that isn't just discrediting the press? Screaming "fake newwwws!!!" isn't a defense, it's pure bullshit. Acting in a manner that wasn't bizzarely pro-Russian would at least be a real defense that his supporters could latch onto. He's not doing that though.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Why are you responding to a GBS troll in sincerity? I have seen that exact line and line of thinking outside of S.A. as well. The "there is no evidence" types are everywhere and they are so incredibly dumb it's actually impressive.
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NmareBfly posted:Lots of protesters in Charlottesville. Haven't spotted a nazi yet through the crowd beating drums around them. So the counter protest seems way larger? Good.
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Google Butt posted:I have seen that exact line and line of thinking outside of S.A. as well. The "there is no evidence" types are everywhere and they are so incredibly dumb it's actually impressive. Yeah, and there is no point in trying to provide evidence because they will ignore it. Its really frustrating anymore. I also don't think juries for "political" crimes like a cop shooting an unarmed person can be even vaguely impartial anymore.
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Significant Ant posted:Guess which governor isn’t getting another term Well, yeah, Hickenlooper is a term limited Democrat. And as crappy and DINO as he can be, I can't see him being for sending over that information. Especially if he doesn't want George-loving-Brauchler to be the next governor. SOS Wayne Williams is a Republican and IS eligible to serve another term. This will either play great in the Springs or bite him in the rear end.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/883752778379792386 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/883760134333378561 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/883761448064864257 Magic Hate Ball posted:yikes Oh no, words! Ohhh, nooo!  Have you called the police yet? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Yeah, and there is no point in trying to provide evidence because they will ignore it. Its really frustrating anymore. I also don't think juries for "political" crimes like a cop shooting an unarmed person can be even vaguely impartial anymore. It doesn't even matter if you or I have evidence to provide. It's that they literally cannot understand that they will not "see" evidence until the high level investigation regarding classified information is over. I had one guy tell me verbatim "if the investigation did find evidence it would have leaked by now, there is no evidence".
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Google Butt posted:It doesn't even matter if you or I have evidence to provide. It's that they literally cannot understand that they will not "see" evidence until the high level investigation regarding classified information is over. I had one guy tell me verbatim "if the investigation did find evidence it would have leaked by now, there is no evidence". In this administration that kind of makes sense. This administration leaks everything, including evidence of collusion.
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Medullah posted:Not going to lie, this one made me do a double take and check to see if it was a fake Twitter account. It will get really awkward when Duda tells Trump how Smolensk plane crash being accident was totally "fake news"...
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Post 9-11 User posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/883752778379792386 If the staffer was smart he'd change his tweet password.
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Mustached Demon posted:If the staffer was smart he'd change his tweet password. Fakenews123 is so easy to remember though. Better than when they require special chars and he has to use Crookedhilary!2
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I love how you agree with me 100% but are just mad I'm not saying it the way you want it said. You're right, any discussion of how Trump is not, at this very moment, already impeached, convicted, and imprisoned as the Republicans are being dismantled by a truth commission is identical to Trumpism.
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Mustached Demon posted:Fire Mueller. loving do it. i think he will at this point. the mental massage from putin and his underlings will give him confidence to try to do it. Skex posted:Well to start we have that whole Trump asking them to hack Hillary on loving video, but I guess that doesn't count as evidence in your book. same. i doubt mueller would be hiring a gently caress ton of experts and super lawyers if he was just gonna burn flynn. the best part is trump probaly legit thinks putin helped him because he really wanted to be trumps best friend or some poo poo. i am always surprised about trumps naivety around obvious smart political predators.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think he will at this point. the mental massage from putin and his underlings will give him confidence to try to do it. Putin probably has a bottle throttle in a bottle of vodka for this occasion.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So the counter protest seems way larger? Good. Much. I mean it's hard to tell in the crowd but this is some bush league poo poo from the Klan. I'm not sure if they even have a PA system. NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think he will at this point. the mental massage from putin and his underlings will give him confidence to try to do it. really? it's the most important investigation in decades (the integrity of the US democratic process is at stake!), it's INCREDIBLY politicized by its nature, he knows that there's a billy pulpit being used to tear him down if his findings don't match what the president wants, and he's got someone else paying the bills. I think he is hiring every single person he thinks he should hire, regardless of the initial findings, just so that he can credibly say "we did the best job we could with the best people we could get and we found x" some people here seem to forget that it actually might be an investigation and not a lynch mob
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Electric Phantasm posted:What's the most likely scenario if Trump fires Mueller? Republicans in Congress freak the gently caress out. I doubt they'd impeach him, even then, but they'd start distancing themselves from him like crazy, in hopes of salvaging the House and Senate. They'd probably lose the House. In the meantime, the IC would start leaking more than it has already. e: Oh, and Priebus and his allies in the White House would quit, and Trump would have to waste a lot of time and energy staffing those positions (or filling the ones he bumped people up from into the higher-level positions) Majorian fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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Electric Phantasm posted:What's the most likely scenario if Trump fires Mueller? most likely? jeffery lord defends the decision on CNN.
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awesmoe posted:most likely? jeffery lord defends the decision on CNN. Well yeah, Jeffrey Lord would defend Trump if he took a dump on his desk
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Ratoslov posted:You're right, any discussion of how Trump is not, at this very moment, already impeached, convicted, and imprisoned as the Republicans are being dismantled by a truth commission is identical to Trumpism. Already impeached? Powerful trump got immunity to impeachment and already won the 2020 election. where have you been? Republicans also outlawed black people voting and there is nothing we can do and also democrats never won before black people were legal to vote I guess, so definitely can't ever win again.
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Jeffrey Lord is literally paid by CNN for the job of defending Trump on CNN. Cable news is garbage.
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eyebeem posted:Jeffrey Lord is literally paid by CNN for the job of defending Trump on CNN. Cable news is garbage. Gotta have that balanced viewpoint!
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Are you disagreeing with me that he hasn't already won 8 years, won the supreme court for the rest of our lives and won every investigation against him regardless of the outcome because he is untouchable? Or are you just mad when I write it like a fan instead of like this thread normally does? I disagree with your interpretation of what "this thread normally does". I think your exaggeration is more harmful than helpful.
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Deified Data posted:I mean if he gets even a fraction of those he gets the rest, right? I think you're overestimating how quickly things can move in the Supreme Court. It's not like the Presidency, where the majority can issue an Executive Order on a whim. They would need to have the right case before them to achieve the end that you're describing here. While it would be bad if Trump got a majority on SCOTUS (and he may), it's unlikely that he will be able to move ahead with disenfranchisement quickly enough before 2020, to say nothing of 2018.
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Electric Phantasm posted:What's the most likely scenario if Trump fires Mueller? Deep Throat edit: history reminder, Nixon fired his AG and down the line until he got someone who would dismiss the special prosecutor investigating Watergate. As a result, the associate director of the FBI (Deep Throat) leaked a bunch of damning info to the Washington Post. Trump firing Mueller would play out exactly like Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre and you better believe the FBI is going to leak considering how much Trump has poo poo all over them and the IC. Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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republicans are losing the house regardless. If mueller goes down, there will be a lot of hemming and hawing from the usual republicans, but nothing substantial will be done. no independent council would be appointed until after the midterm. also the leaks would be maaaaaaaaaarvelous
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FizFashizzle posted:republicans are losing the house regardless. 
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Electric Phantasm posted:What's the most likely scenario if Trump fires Mueller? McCain comes out and tells us all that this is very concerning.
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^^^ Electric Phantasm posted:What's the most likely scenario if Trump fires Mueller? John McCain experiences new levels of concern
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