NBA Offseason G/V: Let Me Hear You Post It

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What is going to be your favorite offseason storyline? This poll is closed.
The Big3 Tourney	67	22.41%
Will Lakers draft Ball	40	13.38%
Where will the Pauls go	54	18.06%
Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ??	41	13.71%
Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking	97	32.44%
Total:	210 votes

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aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

straight up brolic posted:

Word so Fultz,,, is off until the start of the preseason then

Sixers medical staff? He's out until the ASB, minimnum

# ? Jul 9, 2017 14:26

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# ? May 15, 2024 06:15

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

aBagorn posted:

Sixers medical staff? He's out until the ASB, minimnum

He'll be okay

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/883895834605002752
Pritchard you should have waited you dingus

https://twitter.com/MarkPorcaro/status/884037064706019328
https://twitter.com/MarkPorcaro/status/884037434643591169
This is crazy to me. The new guard

Cool Buff Man fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Jul 9, 2017

# ? Jul 9, 2017 14:33

Lockback: Sep 3, 2006; All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Now do a list for most bones in their feet by team....

# ? Jul 9, 2017 14:35

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Raptors apparently can get out of the tax, depending on how the Lowry/Ibaka contracts are structured.

Cavs using the full MLE would cost them another 20 million :stare:

# ? Jul 9, 2017 15:36

dokmo: Aug 27, 2006; man

All this time I had no idea what you guys were talking about with Zipser's foot bone until I was finally motivated to look it up now and now finally I will be able to get jokes.

# ? Jul 9, 2017 15:36

Lockback: Sep 3, 2006; All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Tae posted:

Raptors apparently can get out of the tax, depending on how the Lowry/Ibaka contracts are structured.

If Toronto can get out of the tax this year that trade is a really good move.

# ? Jul 9, 2017 15:45

Fate Accomplice: Nov 30, 2006

Lockback posted:

If Toronto can get out of the tax this year that trade is a really good move.

Curious, if generally we're cool with billionaires paying out to have good teams / better basketball, why would a fan care if their/any team pays the tax or not?

Like, if trade A results in the team paying the tax but winning X games, but trade B results in no tax and X-7 games, do any fans want to make trade B?

I get there are exceptions for lottery/rebuilding status

Fate Accomplice fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Jul 9, 2017

# ? Jul 9, 2017 15:55

straight up brolic: Jan 31, 2007; After all, I was nice in ball,
Came to practice weed scented
Report card like the speed limit

dokmo posted:

All this time I had no idea what you guys were talking about with Zipser's foot bone until I was finally motivated to look it up now and now finally I will be able to get jokes.

it's a pretty important joke

# ? Jul 9, 2017 16:00

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

ketchup vs catsup posted:

Curious, if generally we're cool with billionaires paying out to have good teams / better basketball, why would a fan care if their/any team pays the tax or not?

Like, if trade A results in the team paying the tax but winning X games, but trade B results in no tax and X-7 games, do any fans want to make trade B?

I get there are exceptions for lottery/rebuilding status

I'm sure the CapMen can give a much more nuanced answer but once you're in the tax it's not very easy to get out (lose a lot of leverage in trade talks) and repeater penalties are ridiculous. There's also the benefit of being able to sign people without using exceptions

Not sure if there's a more immediate reason though, I'll let the boys handle it. However if your team is the Warriors and your owners don't give a poo poo about paying the tax for now you shouldn't either

Cool Buff Man fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jul 9, 2017

# ? Jul 9, 2017 16:01

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

In the Raptors case, Carrol did not make them better and arguably actively stunted the development of their younger players because of veteran favoring by the coach.

This is also a specific case where the Raptors are not remotely the favorites to win the east even with their full roster back. So the end result doesn't change with this move.

Third, the new tax laws are so crippling, that you're basically paying for a 2nd NBA team if you're in the repeater zone long enough. Even the most spendy teams are making tax-saving moves, as an indicator of how crippling they are.

# ? Jul 9, 2017 16:14

MourningView: Sep 2, 2006; Is this Heaven?

Away all Goats posted:

Constant injuries. Even when he was cleared to play he was allegedly fighting foot/back problems.

also yeah going from a well coached Jazz/Hawks team to Dwayne "high PnR and throw up a dumb shot" Casey didn't help.

He was loving awful in Utah, though Utah was also not a well coached team back then.

# ? Jul 9, 2017 16:18

Mr. Mambold: Feb 13, 2011; Aha. Nice post.

aBagorn posted:

Sixers medical staff? He's out until the ASB, minimnum

Danny knew....

# ? Jul 9, 2017 16:29

BWV: Feb 24, 2005

I would have given up more to get rid of Carroll. He is the worst. And he's not even like a normal bad player who you can bench. Whether it was through blackmail or the evil eye he convinced Casey to believe in him. Guy was so bad and still had the fourth highest usage on the team. He cannot defend. He cannot shoot. He can't even dribble with his head up. Many times this season I was questioning whether he was actually playing for the other team , if he bet on the game, or if the raps would be better playing the bloated corpse of Rafa Arujo instead.

# ? Jul 9, 2017 16:38

nachos: Jun 27, 2004; Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

cool article on how the heat utilized "unlikely to achieve" performance bonus with waiters, olynyk, and johnson to allow them to fit them all within the cap and retain ellington

quote:

As long as the first-year salary � including both likely and unlikely bonuses � in any new contract(s) fits within the team�s cap room at the point the contract is officially executed, the contract is legal. The first-year salary thereafter excludes the amount of the unlikely bonus.

The Heat manipulated these rules with each of Waiters, Olynyk and Johnson:

Dion Waiters� contract was publicly reported as 4-years, $52 million, but that�s not technically how it is structured. Waiters will actually receive $47.3 million in base salary, plus up to another $4.7 million in bonus money. All of that bonus money has been deemed unlikely to be achieved. Which means that after the contract was approved, only the first-year base salary was charged against the cap for this season; that�s $11.0 million, without the $1.1 million in bonus money.

Kelly Olynyk�s contract was publicly reported as 4-years, $50 million (with a player option on the final year), but that�s not technically how it was structured. He will actually receive $45.6 million in base salary, plus up to another $5.6 million in bonus money. All of that bonus money has been deemed unlikely to be achieved. (He also has a trade bonus equal to the lesser of 5% of the remaining value of the contract and $2 million.) Which means that after the contract was approved, only the first-year base salary was charged against the cap for this season; that�s $10.6 million, without the $1.4 million in bonus money.

James Johnson�s contract was publicly reported as 4-years, $60 million (with a player option on the final year), but that�s not technically how it was structured. He will actually receive $59.1 million in base salary, plus up to another $946K in bonus money(1). That bonus money, unlike the others, does count against the salary cap. Which means that after the contract was approved, the $13.7 million first-year salary, and the $220K bonus, was charged against the cap for this season; that�s $14.0 million.

# ? Jul 9, 2017 16:43

Jack's Flow: Jun 6, 2003; Life, friends, is boring

Tatum looks phenomenal. That guy will be a total stud.

# ? Jul 9, 2017 16:50

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

BWV posted:

I would have given up more to get rid of Carroll. He is the worst. And he's not even like a normal bad player who you can bench. Whether it was through blackmail or the evil eye he convinced Casey to believe in him. Guy was so bad and still had the fourth highest usage on the team. He cannot defend. He cannot shoot. He can't even dribble with his head up. Many times this season I was questioning whether he was actually playing for the other team , if he bet on the game, or if the raps would be better playing the bloated corpse of Rafa Arujo instead.

He had a couple year stretch that bloated his reputation to the bursting point and he still gets the benefit of the doubt from some people, but yeah, he's really bad now

Jack's Flow posted:

Tatum looks phenomenal. That guy will be a total stud.

He plays very poised for a 19 year old. I can't wait to watch his development. He's so drat smooth. He also might be the best rebounder currently on the Celtics

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/6lkgwf/why_is_there_a_serial_rapist_on_our_summer_league/

That's not great!

Cool Buff Man fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jul 9, 2017

# ? Jul 9, 2017 16:53

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

Lauri on his jersey:

quote:

Markkanen is hopeful his new jersey, with the correct spelling, will be ready to go on Monday in the Bulls' second game.

"Yeah, I told them," he said. "They gave me a right-spelling jersey in the third quarter, but I didn't want to change it on the bench. It'll be right on Monday, I hope. The good thing is I hope when the regular season comes, that doesn't happen again."

Good to start off on the right foot with the most exciting thing you have on your roster at the moment

# ? Jul 9, 2017 17:13

WhyteRyce: Dec 30, 2001

Cool Buff Man posted:

Lauri on his jersey:

Good to start off on the right foot with the most exciting thing you have on your roster at the moment

Bulls have an alternative definition of right foot

# ? Jul 9, 2017 17:20

glowing-fish: Feb 18, 2013; Keep grinding,
I hope you level up!

Cool Buff Man posted:

He'll be okay

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/883895834605002752
Pritchard you should have waited you dingus

https://twitter.com/MarkPorcaro/status/884037064706019328
https://twitter.com/MarkPorcaro/status/884037434643591169
This is crazy to me. The new guard

Dirk Nowitzki has been playing for the Mavericks since Myles Turner was 2 years old.
Manu Giboili has been playing for the Spurs since Myles Turner was 3 years old.

# ? Jul 9, 2017 17:27

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

WhyteRyce posted:

Bulls have an alternative definition of right foot

Gotta be feeling good about Fox, huh? He's gonna pick many pockets

# ? Jul 9, 2017 17:30

Dutchy: Jul 8, 2010

glowing-fish posted:

Dirk Nowitzki has been playing for the Mavericks since Myles Turner was 2 years old.
Manu Giboili has been playing for the Spurs since Myles Turner was 3 years old.

Had the Mavs wound up drafting Ntilikina they'd be playing Dirk with a guy who was not alive when he was drafted

# ? Jul 9, 2017 17:39

Spacebump: Dec 24, 2003; Dallas Mavericks: Generations

glowing-fish posted:

Dirk Nowitzki has been playing for the Mavericks since Myles Turner was 2 years old.
Manu Giboili has been playing for the Spurs since Myles Turner was 3 years old.

Dirk's first season was 98-99. Dennis Smith Jr was born in November of 97. DSJ wasn't alive the last time a season opened without Dirk on the Mavs roster.

# ? Jul 9, 2017 17:39

dokmo: Aug 27, 2006; man

Here is every shot Luke Kennard missed over the first two games. see if you can spot a pattern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qfx7cjJUCU

# ? Jul 9, 2017 17:43

Canned Sunshine: Nov 20, 2005; CAUTION: POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION

Femur posted:

I think their plan was to blow up the team years ago, but all nba players just kept popping up, foiling their plans. I mean how else can you explain a team so desperate to get rid of a top 10 player under a great contract? The dude doesn't even seem like a malcontent.

They lost faith in rose, then Noah has a career year, and protected Rose, so they had to build a case to get rid of both, so they placed blame on coach and Butler. Butler turned out better than both, but they already picked their path, and that battle twisted and force them into thinking they weren't wrong, and Butler wasn't good enough, and now you are here.

This sounds about right. I'm going to root for the T'wolves now since they're sorta Bulls Lite and Jimmy Buckets was my favorite Bulls player in a long time.

# ? Jul 9, 2017 17:52

Jack's Flow: Jun 6, 2003; Life, friends, is boring

dokmo posted:

Here is every shot Luke Kennard missed over the first two games. see if you can spot a pattern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qfx7cjJUCU

That felt like a half a season worth of misses. Ouch.

edit:

Obviously he should be shooting with his right hand!

# ? Jul 9, 2017 17:53

Doltos: Dec 28, 2005; 🤌🤌🤌

dokmo posted:

Here is every shot Luke Kennard missed over the first two games. see if you can spot a pattern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qfx7cjJUCU

Oh oh i got it is it that he can't shoot off the dribble worth a poo poo

# ? Jul 9, 2017 17:58

El Gallinero Gros: Mar 17, 2010

I don't suppose Justin Hamilton has any ability, eh?

Also would this create the kind of room where Toronto could offer a nice 1 year deal to Jamal Crawford? They need a shooter pretty bad.

# ? Jul 9, 2017 18:19

Paul Zuvella: Dec 7, 2011

dokmo posted:

Here is every shot Luke Kennard missed over the first two games. see if you can spot a pattern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qfx7cjJUCU

is that pattern that he sucks?

# ? Jul 9, 2017 18:19

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

El Gallinero Gros posted:

I don't suppose Justin Hamilton has any ability, eh?

Also would this create the kind of room where Toronto could offer a nice 1 year deal to Jamal Crawford? They need a shooter pretty bad.

Justin Hamilton isn't as bad as you think he is, decent defensive bench big, won't piss you off like Demarre Carrol so that's worth it

# ? Jul 9, 2017 18:22

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Also would this create the kind of room where Toronto could offer a nice 1 year deal to Jamal Crawford? They need a shooter pretty bad.

If the point of the Carrol trade was to narrowly avoid the tax, they aren't adding any more players to non-minimum deals.

Also, Crawford is a Timberwolf.

# ? Jul 9, 2017 18:25

WhyteRyce: Dec 30, 2001

Cool Buff Man posted:

Gotta be feeling good about Fox, huh? He's gonna pick many pockets

Watching him pick David Stockton's pocket and yelling out that he needs his dad to come bail him out was worth the trip

# ? Jul 9, 2017 18:30

Henchman of Santa: Aug 21, 2010

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884102281884442624

# ? Jul 9, 2017 18:30

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

Henchman of Santa posted:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884102281884442624

That's a good move

# ? Jul 9, 2017 18:31

WhyteRyce: Dec 30, 2001

Gary Payton II. Sam Cassell Jr. David Stockton.

Summer League. Patron St. Of Untalented Sons of NBA Players

# ? Jul 9, 2017 18:31

El Gallinero Gros: Mar 17, 2010

Ujiri is a loving warlock

I asked for a shooter and actually got one. Obviously CJ's no Crawdad but he'll do, especially getting rid of Joseph (I don't dislike Cory's game but we overpaid for him)

# ? Jul 9, 2017 18:32

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

WhyteRyce posted:

Gary Payton II. Sam Cassell Jr. David Stockton.

Summer League. Patron St. Of Untalented Sons of NBA Players

Did you see how normal Sam Cassell looks with his big glasses? They fix his weird head and it freaks me out.

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Ujiri is a loving warlock

I asked for a shooter and actually got one. Obviously CJ's no Crawdad but he'll do, especially getting rid of Joseph (I don't dislike Cory's game but we overpaid for him)

CJ Miles is way better than Crawford at this point, you should be very happy

# ? Jul 9, 2017 18:33