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Injury prone and injury prone but no production? No thanks. Freeman + whatever WR is available at 2.01 please.
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Also you guys are doing it wrong, if you pick at 12/13, it won't be 26/27 it'd be 36/37 as your next picks.
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Injury prone but no production is not how I would describe Demaryius Thomas, literally the only WR to go 90/1000 over each of the last five seasons lmao And DT hasn't missed a game since 2011.
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uh yeah my fault, with 12 teams it's 36/37th that you get next. And I dont trust ADPs in July: too skewed by dynasty/keeper leagues and rookie drafts etc.
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Spoeank posted:Injury prone but no production is not how I would describe Demaryius Thomas, literally the only WR to go 90/1000 over each of the last five seasons lmao Fantasy productive. What did he have, 3 touchdowns last two years? Doesn't matter either way with the next picks being 12 deeper anyway. At that point it's impossible not to grab a WR at 2.01. Edit I just looked at Dr's Roto and if he is available at 37 I say go for it.
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Leperflesh posted:uh yeah my fault, with 12 teams it's 36/37th that you get next. FF Calculator and ESPN are redraft only  Spermy Smurf posted:Fantasy productive. What did he have, 3 touchdowns last two years? Doesn't matter either way with the next picks being 12 deeper anyway. At that point it's impossible not to grab a WR at 2.01. He was WR17 in PPR last year with an abysmally low number of touchdowns that are due to positively regress idgi
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Yeah, our argument is null anyway since the next picks would be 37 not 25. At 37 yaaaaay but at 25 it's a serious headscratcher for me. I should have verified, but ah well.
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Spermy Smurf posted:Yeah, our argument is null anyway since the next picks would be 37 not 25. At 37 yaaaaay but at 25 it's a serious headscratcher for me. oh you were duped by the typo in the ADP. Okay we are all good friend.
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DT fuckin owns always draft him he's been a (comparative) ADP bargain for like each of the last 5 seasons he's also likely the most consistent weekly scoring "big play" WR in fantasy history this side of Randy Moss e: a year or two ago I got him near the 3/4 turn which should never happen Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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Leperflesh posted:And then, what are you taking next, at the 26th/27th turn? I'd have a reallllly hard time taking RB-RB at the 12/13 turn, just because the next time you get to take a WR is a looooot of picks later. In our mock slow draft my first six picks were LeSean McCoy, Devonta Freeman, Demaryius Thomas, Allen Robinson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Mark Ingram.
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Also because I'm a cool guy I'm doing research on a Saturday night... not for nothin but Paul Perkins had a slightly higher YPC than Latavius, Lamar Miller, CJ Anderson,  CHRISTINE MICHAEL and Melvin Gordon.His ADP is in the seventh round and his competition moseyed out of town fwiw
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Spoeank posted:Also because I'm a cool guy I'm doing research on a Saturday night... not for nothin but Paul Perkins had a slightly higher YPC than Latavius, Lamar Miller, CJ Anderson, Counterpoint: Giants Suck
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Hmm you do make a fair point
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I feel like the Perkins hype train is really getting going and I'm legitimately curious to see how it plays out. The line is just so bad, but the receiving corps is such a threat.
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He's definitely no more than a mid-round dart through, and he's not even the guy I would take in the seventh round. If he slips somehow he's worth a shot. It's all lining up for him to outperform his ADP but the question is really by how much. The player I'm taking in the seventh at his ADP 100% of the time and probably even in the sixth round is J. Jonah Jamison Crowder.
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Didn't the Giants address their line a bit this offseason? I'm not high on Perkins per se, but I'd nab him in the eighth or ninth if he were available.
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The Fantasy Footballers have a great ongoing bit where they argue that Perkins would have a ton more hype going for him if he wasn't named Paul Perkins. And they're not wrong. That's 100% the name of an accountant, not a football player. If he was instead named Smash Jackson, I would take him nearly anywhere in the draft. I'm still sad that Storm Johnson washed out of the league.
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Sure guys. Take a RB who looked like poo poo behind one of the worst lines in football. Oh, and they didn't do anything to improve that line. Don't take that guy unless he's the last starting RB on the board.
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PFF had him as the most elusive player in college before he was drafted. He can create on his own as a runner so I don't think the state of the Giant's o-line will kill his chances. Wouldn't be the most unexpected sophomore jump. Though I do agree it's probably smarter to believe in the conservative projections for Perkins since he's not built like a feature back and since this is the Giants, they could easily go with an ugly looking committee at RB.
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89 posted:Sure guys. Take a RB who looked like poo poo behind one of the worst lines in football. Oh, and they didn't do anything to improve that line. Truth. Plus the Giants are gonna throw it a million times this year
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Vereen is going to get all the third down work, and Gallman is going to get every chance to take the job and even if he doesn't, will probably vulture some touchdowns. Perkins doesn't have a hype train for good reason, not because of his name (lol).
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Why would anyone draft Paul Perkins when J Stew is still available?
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Papes posted:Why would anyone draft Paul Perkins when J Stew is still available? Giants have shown supreme confidence in Perkins. Carolina has shown they plan to take a lot of carries away from stewart. Stewart is always injured, and he's a year older Perkins has had a year to learn the giants schemes Teams can guard against the run with Carolina, because they have one of the worst receiving cores Giants have one of the best receiving cores, I doubt Perkins will ever see eight in a box Giants going to score a lot, perkins is probably their best weapon inside the 5 Carolina's short yardage scores will be divvied up between Cam, their fullbacks, and whichever rb is on the field I'm not on the hype train. PErkins is going to have an unexciting year where he finishes as like he 24th best RB. Which is great value for where he is going, as Spoeank mentioned. I value floor in my RB2, and Perkins definitely seems to have a much higher floor than Stewart, who might end up as an afterthought in the Panthers plans Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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Drunk Nerds posted:Giants going to score a lot, perkins is probably their best weapon inside the 5 You misspelled Odell Beckham, Brandon Marshall, Sterling Shepard, and Wayne Gallman
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Drunk Nerds posted:Giants have shown supreme confidence in Perkins. Carolina has shown they plan to take a lot of carries away from stewart. Stewart and Mcaffery are going to be a Lacy and Starks duo this year, and I'd bet you can pencil Stewart in for the same 200 inefficient touches he always gets. Also, Stewart had 9 Tds last year in 13 games and Mike Tolbert is going to camp in Buffalo. FFcalc has Perkins going in the 6th and Stewart going in the 9th. I'll take Stewart 10/10 times there. In fact, I'd take Ingram in the 6th before I even took a whiff of perkins.
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Hot take Wayne Gallman doesn't even lead the Giants rookies in touchdowns
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Ayudo posted:In fact, I'd take Ingram in the 6th before I even took a whiff of perkins.
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Spoeank posted:Hot take Wayne Gallman doesn't even lead the Giants rookies in touchdowns I mean, Giants haven't drafted anyone of note at the position since Ahmad Bradshaw. Tiptoes posted:And this is why Perkins is a value. You get a starting RB where other people are targeting backups. Ingram has operated in a committee his whole career, and had a great year doing so last season. Peterson will play a role alongside Ingram, but I doubt he sees much use in the passing attack. Ingram will take screens to the house and be more than fine as a flex in all formats.
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Hot take, AD will be the AD of old now that he's part of a competent offense.
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Are we just pretending the Saints didn't trade a future second to move up and get Kamara in the third
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Also of all the things to wake up this thread it was me posting Perkins' ypc lol
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Tiptoes posted:And this is why Perkins is a value. You get a starting RB where other people are targeting backups. The Giants starting running back was worthless last year, what makes you think this year will be better?
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Spoeank posted:Are we just pretending the Saints didn't trade a future second to move up and get Kamara in the third This thread is for hot takes, not logical analysis of front office decisions. Save that poo poo for CBS, not TFF! I actually think Kamara is the back to own in NO. Don't tell anyone
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Spoeank posted:Are we just pretending the Saints didn't trade a future second to move up and get Kamara in the third The Saints draft bad. Leveraging the future for today is what they do. They also traded Brandon Cooks for a Tackle that they might not have needed at all until Armstead tore his labrum punching a tackle dummy. You can always pencil the Saints in for 8 wins and 6000+ yards of offense. Not sure if Kamara will be a bigger part of that than Lasco, Murphy, or Cadet have been in years past. Probably not as a rookie though. What I'm saying is draft Snead everywhere.
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Sataere posted:This thread is for hot takes, not logical analysis of front office decisions. Save that poo poo for CBS, not TFF!  way ahead of ya buddy 
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Spoeank posted:
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Ayudo posted:The Saints draft bad. Leveraging the future for today is what they do. They also traded Brandon Cooks for a Tackle that they might not have needed at all until Armstead tore his labrum punching a tackle dummy. Kamara's gonna be Darren Sproles 2011. At least I hope so.
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Ayudo posted:Stewart and Mcaffery are going to be a Lacy and Starks duo this year, and I'd bet you can pencil Stewart in for the same 200 inefficient touches he always gets. Also, Stewart had 9 Tds last year in 13 games and Mike Tolbert is going to camp in Buffalo. Yes to most of that. Although, The statement being debated was "Why would anyone draft Paul Perkins when J Stew is still available?" So I think you're agreeing with my rebuttal even though it sounds like you are disagreeing with it. Has Ingram been falling to the sixth for you? That's insane. He's like a legitimate back, not like stewart and perkins, who are "I guess I need someone" territory
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RVProfootballer posted:You misspelled Odell Beckham, Brandon Marshall, Sterling Shepard, and Wayne Gallman Haha, I shouldn't have used a qualifying term like "best." Let me see if I can dig up some numbers for targets inside the 5 for the 2016 Giants, and get to the bottom of this. Edit: Where can I get info like that? Is there a site I need to subscribe to for stats like "every new york giants play in a sortable database?"
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Drunk Nerds posted:Haha, I shouldn't have used a qualifying term like "best." Let me see if I can dig up some numbers for targets inside the 5 for the 2016 Giants, and get to the bottom of this. I don't know about inside the 5, can get red zone targets by searching for it on Google. Not sure how much to take from that, though, with the addition of Marshall and Vereen (from injury).
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