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azurite posted:And with that, they have to preserve the requirement that you maintain speed and pray to god you don't slow down while the sign flashes Or pray you DO if it's Future because that sign is useless and they put them loving everywhere.
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https://www.vg247.com/2017/07/07/sonic-forces-is-rough-to-the-point-of-being-comical/ Not too familiar with the website, so keep that in mind, but Forces isn't looking so hot, apparently. I'm not surprised, just...sad.
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Sakurazuka posted:Broken by the cycle again ???  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyLdX8yKv-Y
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I think people were setting themselves up for disappointment by managing to convince themselves that mediocre Sonic games like Generations are actually good. But even with Forces looking like it's gonna be another garbage-tier game, 2017 will be a great year for Sonic. We have Mania coming out in five weeks, after all. 
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I still want to play some new 3D Sonic, but I said a while back that Forces showed a disappointing lack of growth, with all the things that didn't work or have gotten tired from Generations or before (like mindlessly homing attacking scattered bunches of enemies, and the Classic Sonic physics) not being improved in any way at all. Mania and Sonic 4 are the perfect examples of how Sega doesn't get its own property like the fans do; Mania treads safe old ground, deliberately, but it mixes it up with fresh new gimmicks that riff off our familiarity with the old games, even things like the Green Hill tunnel that shoots you unexpectedly to the left. Sonic 4 (episode one, anyway) did nothing new except 'update' the physics in a way that showed no understanding of the inertia that made old Sonic good. Just disband Sonic Team and give more third party developers a stab at various properties, not just Sonic. Sonic Team clearly aren't able to take the series forward anymore.
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Sonic 4 isn't Sonic Team, but Sonic Team does seem rather clueless. I don't think Forces is as bad as it sounds, except that article implies there's serious technical issues with the Switch, something I don't think is going to get fixed and is honestly a big deal. I was really hoping Sega would have a really solid Mania release on the Switch which would pivot into great sales of Forces. It looks like that isn't going to happen.
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Shinjobi posted:Forces isn't looking so hot, apparently. Duh
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Evil Eagle posted:Forces is going to be awesome Duh
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Evil Eagle posted:Forces is going to be awesome I have some bad news. It's going to be poo poo, like all 3d sonics have been and will be forever until the heat death of the universe.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Just disband Sonic Team and give more third party developers a stab at various properties, not just Sonic. Sonic Team clearly aren't able to take the series forward anymore. So the way to take the series forward is to use the same ideas over with some slight new gimmicks, but the mistake Sonic team is making is using the same ideas over with slight new gimmicks? I'm excited about Sonic Mania but I think people are going "this tickles my nostalgia, ergo it's go" more than anything. Which is fine but the future of the franchise being Sonic Mania would suck.
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I don't have a strong opinion yet on Forces, but this article is really bad.quote:We weren’t allowed to capture footage of the level, but a quick scrape of SEGA’s YouTube channel reveals a video of the level that demonstrates part of my problem: line after line of enemies just standing there, designed for you to use a flamethrower power-up to blow up in one go. There’s no threat to these enemies – they just sort of stand there, waiting for you to either run straight into them or pull the trigger to blow them into oblivion. Yes, clearly badniks are not supposed to be roadblocks, but trials to defeat. Especially in the very-likely first zone in the game. No one show this person Casino Night zone. It might freak him out. (there is a statement that needs to be said about enemy diversity and function; this is not it)
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I have some bad news. Sonic the Fighters. 
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Does Sonic Generations even have any enemies that can harm you if you're boosting? They just get knocked right outta the way no matter what they are iirc. Enemies in the Sonic As A Race Car games are less about hurting you and more about being used as a way to meter the amount of boost you have left- you want to steer into them so that you can get more boost out of destroying them.
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Discendo Vox posted:Sonic the Fighters. Exactly! Case in point. quote:The game received mixed to negative reviews at all in its initial release, due to a limited release in arcades, and the Sega Saturn version being cancelled. The game garnered more attention in its 2005 re-release as part of Sonic Gems Collection. GameSpot described the game as "a stripped-down version of Virtua Fighter 2, and called it "dated and simplistic"[8] IGN echoed those sentiments, stating that it "plays like a streamlined version of the original Virtua Fighter" and closed with "Not that it's a terrible fighter, mind you, only that it's a very simple one. If you're expecting a wide assortment of moves and 200-hit combos, prepare to be disappointed. The selection of playable characters isn't too shabby, but each character's list of moves leaves something to be desired... like better moves
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Evil Eagle posted:Forces is going to be awesome i'm excited for it
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I played the Demo and it was fun. Felt like Generations.
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ImpAtom posted:So the way to take the series forward is to use the same ideas over with some slight new gimmicks, but the mistake Sonic team is making is using the same ideas over with slight new gimmicks? I'd be okay with the future of the franchise being good sonic games at this point.
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i'm fine with sonic mania being the last sonic game *monkey paw finger curls*
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CJacobs posted:Does Sonic Generations even have any enemies that can harm you if you're boosting? MonsterEnvy posted:I played the Demo and it was fun. Felt like Generations.
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Are you telling me that professional game reviewers don't know what they're talking about and just talking out their rear end? Nah. That's never happened before! Why else would people trust them so much? That said, I could give a rat's rear end about Sonic Forces because Sonic Mania is the game I have wanted to have since 1994.
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Spiderdrake posted:I think there's a couple, either view attacks they produce or armored shells, but it is very rare and furthers the point. No, but I do hope they improve the Switch problem as I have heard the port there has been lacking.
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ImpAtom posted:So the way to take the series forward is to use the same ideas over with some slight new gimmicks, but the mistake Sonic team is making is using the same ideas over with slight new gimmicks? I don't mean that Mania is the way forward for the series, just that it seems pretty clear it is going to do its stated job as a fun throwback game a hell of a lot better than Sonic 4 did, and it's doing it because the team behind it understands what their respective game needs for its intended purpose - in this case, which elements of Sonic past to port over wholesale, which parts to improve or update and where to add whole new elements of their own, including brand new zones. Sonic 4 didn't seem to understand any of this, and worryingly, neither does Forces. I'm looking forward to some new locales, the new soundtrack and making my OC, but the basic gameplay of Forces hasn't even been polished since its last outing (classic Sonic's gameplay especially still looks stodgy as hell to control). It looks fine, but it looks a lot less fresh and lively and interesting than a retro homage, and that doesn't bode well for future games making improvements. That's what I was getting at, and after Mania I'd like to see Whitehead & co. tackle Sonic 5 proper, but with modern graphics, modern character designs and all-new content as would befit a new game. Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Exactly! Case in point. You, sir or madam, need to feel the sunshine.
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Sue posted:I think people were setting themselves up for disappointment by managing to convince themselves that mediocre Sonic games like Generations are actually good. ??? Jesus some guys are trying too hard with this 3d Sonic hate.
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ImpAtom posted:I'm excited about Sonic Mania but I think people are going "this tickles my nostalgia, ergo it's go" more than anything. Which is fine but the future of the franchise being Sonic Mania would suck. I would be very happy if the future of the series was gameplay that had actual depth. But we get more boost games and Classic Sonic-Lite instead. Mania is better than any Sonic thing in over a decade Colors and Generations were good because they showed actual improvement after years of terrible Sonic games. But when you get a game that doesn't improve on them at all and actually takes a few steps backwards, you kinda realize that they were just decent games, not revolutionary or amazing at all. The gameplay style just doesn't hold up well to extended scrutiny. People had this honeymoon period with the Unleashed daytime stages too, but turns out those sucked donkey balls too. Sonic fans are desperate for good games and cling onto whatever they can get before their hopes are once again thoroughly dashed. Meanwhile, the classic games aged like fine wine. How can Mania's appeal just be nostalgia when the gameplay has far more depth and complexity than the "modern" games? I think its the opposite case, people are letting the retro visuals blind them to how advanced the actual gameplay is. They see it as simpler because the visuals are simpler than the 3D games, even though in reality boost gameplay is what is really simplistic as gently caress. Augus fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Ventana posted:I don't have a strong opinion yet on Forces, but this article is really bad. I'll agree with you on that point; not sure exactly what the dude wanted. Sonic 3's first level had the cruisin' rhino bot and the spike spitting flower bot, and they were placed in a way just to disrupt your momentum. Again, I wasn't too familiar with the website that wrote the review, but the Switch stuff and FPS issues concerned me.
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Mania looks like it'll be fantastic, and I can't wait for it to come out. Forces looks like it'll either be fantastic or amazingly trash, and either way, I can't wait for it to come out.
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Augus posted:I would be very happy if the future of the series was gameplay that had actual depth. I don't actually feel that the modern 3D Sonics games have less depth than the old ones and "boost game" ignores a lot of their actual mechanical design in favor of an irrationally reductive statement. It's like saying the old Sonic games sucked because you could never die because you could always get one ring back. They're heavily score-attack focused games with encouragement to find hidden collectables and secret paths and replay stages to get through them faster and with higher scores. That may not be your taste but boiling them down to 'boost game with no depth' doesn't actually make much sense.' I think the 2D games have aged better but they also have their boatloads of problems and are in a completely different style. I would say it's actually the opposite. While there are plenty of lovely Sonic games, there are also a lot of old-school Sonic fans who don't want to actually judge games on their own merits and have decided anything that isn't Literally Sonic 1-3 Again is inherently awful and end up making weird reductive arguments about how everything is the worst ever. Believe it or not people actually do genuinely like Generations, Colors, Unleashed and so-on. They're not saying it to make you angry or lying to themselves. They may not be your preference but it isn't a large conspiracy to pretend to like something. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Shinjobi posted:I'll agree with you on that point; not sure exactly what the dude wanted. Sonic 3's first level had the cruisin' rhino bot and the spike spitting flower bot, and they were placed in a way just to disrupt your momentum. I don't see how either of those enemies are even remotely comparable to what he was talking about there. ImpAtom posted:I don't actually feel that the modern 3D Sonics games have less depth than the old ones and "boost game" ignores a lot of their actual mechanical design in favor of an irrationally reductive statement. It's like saying the old Sonic games sucked because you could never die because you could always get one ring back. They're heavily score-attack focused games with encouragement to find hidden collectables and secret paths and replay stages to get through them faster and with higher scores. That may not be your taste but boiling them down to 'boost game with no depth' doesn't actually make much sense.' I think the 2D games have aged better but they also have their boatloads of problems and are in a completely different style. please explain to me the depth and complexity of Boost Sonic's movement that I've apparently been overlooking. "It's a score attack game" is a pretty weak excuse. When have Sonic games not had a score attack element to them? They've literally always had a score indicator and gave you rewards for getting points. Finding secrets and different paths through the stage and trying to get through fast sounds like stuff I did in the 2D games except more and better. ImpAtom posted:Believe it or not people actually do genuinely like Generations, Colors, Unleashed and so-on. They're not saying it to make you angry or lying to themselves. They may not be your preference but it isn't a large conspiracy to pretend to like something. Believe it or not there is not a worldwide conspiracy to discredit Sonic the Hedgehog and there are actual good reasons why a lot of people weren't blown away by Generations and why people are less enthusiastic about Forces despite Generations being decent. Generations needed to be improved upon. It hasn't been. The Classics weren't perfect either. Too bad Sega didn't improve on them at all until Mania. Sega sucks. Big surprise. Augus fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Take sonic mania, pair it with the modern sonic generation levels, boom there you go there's a winning formula sonic team. Don't do anything else you'll just hurt yourself in the process
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Augus posted:I don't see how either of those enemies are even remotely comparable to what he was talking about there. So like have you not played Generations or what
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Augus posted:I don't see how either of those enemies are even remotely comparable to what he was talking about there. quote:There’s no threat to these enemies – they just sort of stand there, waiting for you to either run straight into them or pull the trigger to blow them into oblivion. Like....how many of the original Sonic badniks are actual threats? They're just there to slow you down. The article's complaints in that regard ring a little hollow.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Maybe Sonic's just bad. I think Sonic is good and I don't watch any of the cartoons or read any comics so I'm the smartest person in this thread.
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