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Tiggum posted:It's clearly something he wanted Harry to be super good at, but it's really easy in the books so he had to modify it so that in his version of the story it works completely differently. But it's one of the things where he changes something but doesn't think it through. In the books, transfiguration is a simple trick they teach to kids. Here, it's an incredibly difficult and super dangerous thing that... they still teach to kids for some reason? I think his justification was that if you didn't learn it early then you'd never be any good at it, but I don't think there's really anything that works that way? Anything you can learn as a child you can also learn as an adult, and as long as you practice enough you'll be able to do it just as well. That's a weird belief that seems to crop up a lot with this kind of crowd, that is, if you don't start early enough you'll NEVER be any good at X thing, and you shouldn't even bother trying. Never figured out why that is. I mean, becoming an Olympic athlete at age 30 is probably not gonna happen barring some extremely fortunate and unlikely circumstances, but becoming proficient at a variety of skills isn't a big deal as long as you have the time to put into it.
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Jazerus posted:Eliezarry's "power" is knowing that any subdivision of an object is, in an abstract mathematical sense, an "object" in itself. I seem to recall someone mentioning a story earlier in the thread that has a math prodigy Hermione doing something similar and experimenting with nano-scale transfiguration to prove that you can't create fissile materials because the idea that you could terrified her.
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Liquid Communism posted:I seem to recall someone mentioning a story earlier in the thread that has a math prodigy Hermione doing something similar and experimenting with nano-scale transfiguration to prove that you can't create fissile materials because the idea that you could terrified her. Yeah in the Arithmancer. I can't remember all the details but it worked because a) it was a long-term experiment that she did with a partner and a professor's help, not just some super special power she willed herself to have by thinking real hard one afternoon, and b) I don't think she was actually doing micro-scale transfiguration although I might be wrong, but more like trying to transfigure stuff into radioactive material, or transfigure radioactive material into other stuff and back, etc. Like "this clump of dirt has trace amounts of radioactive material, can we duplicate it? what happens if we transfigure it into glass, is it still radioactive? when we transfigure it back? can we conjure up a sample just like it?" So more like actual science and less like the dumb pseudo-intellectualism jack-off that is HPMoR
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Pieuvre posted:That's a weird belief that seems to crop up a lot with this kind of crowd, that is, if you don't start early enough you'll NEVER be any good at X thing, and you shouldn't even bother trying. Never figured out why that is. I mean, becoming an Olympic athlete at age 30 is probably not gonna happen barring some extremely fortunate and unlikely circumstances, but becoming proficient at a variety of skills isn't a big deal as long as you have the time to put into it. It's a lot easier to tell yourself that you could totally have been a contender than it is to put any effort into trying.
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# ? Jul 10, 2017 00:36 |
Mazerunner posted:Yeah in the Arithmancer. Hermione in the Arithmancer can do nano-scale transfiguration, though as you say it wasn't part of the radioactivity experiment; it's her most potent weapon by far. She can, for example, transfigure air into NO2 to knock people out in an enclosed area, or make carbon nanotube razorwires to cut through stuff from any carbon source. It's an infinitely better exploration of science-magic than Yud could ever write! Partially because magic in that universe (and the basic HP universe) obeys laws, unlike MoR magic which is all visualization and bullshit.
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Jazerus posted:Hermione in the Arithmancer can do nano-scale transfiguration, though as you say it wasn't part of the radioactivity experiment; it's her most potent weapon by far. She can, for example, transfigure air into NO2 to knock people out in an enclosed area, or make carbon nanotube razorwires to cut through stuff from any carbon source. Jazerus posted:Hermione in the Arithmancer can do nano-scale transfiguration, though as you say it wasn't part of the radioactivity experiment; it's her most potent weapon by far. She can, for example, transfigure air into NO2 to knock people out in an enclosed area, or make carbon nanotube razorwires to cut through stuff from any carbon source. hahahahahaha oh just you wait
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Jazerus posted:Hermione in the Arithmancer can do nano-scale transfiguration, though as you say it wasn't part of the radioactivity experiment; it's her most potent weapon by far. She can, for example, transfigure air into NO2 to knock people out in an enclosed area, or make carbon nanotube razorwires to cut through stuff from any carbon source. oh, I don't remember any of that. Does that show up in the sequel? I had caught up on that early on and stopped reading to give it time to update.
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# ? Jul 10, 2017 01:35 |
Mazerunner posted:oh, I don't remember any of that. Does that show up in the sequel? I had caught up on that early on and stopped reading to give it time to update. She starts messing with it in the first story when she invents the spell to extract and ignite soil magnesium, but not as much as in the sequel.
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# ? Jul 10, 2017 03:50 |
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That sounds like a much more interesting story than this one. I may have to go look it up.
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# ? Jul 10, 2017 04:20 |
It's worth expounding on something I said, I think, because it really exposes how shaky MoR's foundations are. Magic in Harry Potter has rules. Scientific laws. They're only there in the background, and shape the narrative only insofar as they disallow things that would destroy the story Rowling wanted to tell (such as the exceptions to Gamp's Law, which disallow various types of transfiguration that would make wizards a little too godly or which would break the economy), but they exist. This is something good fanfiction uses to its advantage, and bad fanfiction ignores. That's why you can tell that in preparing to write MoR, not only did Yud not read the books (something we already know), but he exclusively read terrible wish-fulfillment stories about Harry being a very special boy whose magic has no practical restrictions, just because. That's what he thinks Harry Potter is.
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Liquid Communism posted:That sounds like a much more interesting story than this one. I may have to go look it up. It's certainly better than this one, but it's still fanfic - basically meaning that it could really use the attention of an editor and it requires a fair degree of familiarity with the source material. I don't regret reading it or anything, but it's nothing special. Certainly not up to the standards of Harry Potter and the Most Electrifying Man.
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# ? Jul 10, 2017 05:08 |
Tiggum posted:It's certainly better than this one, but it's still fanfic - basically meaning that it could really use the attention of an editor and it requires a fair degree of familiarity with the source material. I don't regret reading it or anything, but it's nothing special. Familiarity with the source material is always required, it's why any fanfic is actually interesting - so that it can alter the premises, characters, situations, focus, tone, philosophical outlook, or any other part of the source and by doing so, explore facets of the setting or characters that the original work did not. A fanfic that tried to stand alone from the source might even be lessened by doing so, because fundamentally fanfiction is a response to the original work. Some of the interest is in how the consequences of the changes to the scenario play out. This metafictional quality is something many wholly original works don't have, or engage in at the margins in how they contrast with other stories of the same genre, while for fanfiction it's almost the whole point. I totally get why fanfiction has the reputation for poor quality that it does (99.9999999% of fanfiction is terrible, probably even more than that), but folks often misunderstand the inherent properties of the genre as inherent deficiencies even when they are used interestingly. quote:Certainly not up to the standards of Harry Potter and the Most Electrifying Man. I'll just leave off with Harry Potter Becomes A Communist Jazerus fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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# ? Jul 10, 2017 05:37 |
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Pretending Harry Potter actually has rules for the magic and then exploring those rules is another thing that Potter Who does better. quote:"Well, the wand move's simple enough — " Flamel ran through it slowly — "but it's a little tricky—" he tapped his wand on his head — "on the inside. What if you were to point your wand up and do accio sun?" It's a fine line because there ends up being a reasonable explanation for lots of the setting details, but the author also manages to keep things from losing their whimsy.
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# ? Jul 10, 2017 06:19 |
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Jazerus posted:Familiarity with the source material is always required, it's why any fanfic is actually interesting
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# ? Jul 10, 2017 07:04 |
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The Arithmancer and Lady Archimedes (the sequel after year 4 ends) have a lot of interesting ideas and are generally entertaining to read, but they fall face-first into the bad fanfiction trap of the main character "fixing" everything that the author thinks went wrong in canon, and it the way it's done here comes off as really unrealistic. Hermione does the "I'm really good at this one intellectual discipline, therefore I'm smart about absolutely everything" thing that we've criticized Yudkowsky types for in this very thread, and she's almost never wrong. Then, to make it worse, the few times she is wrong get turned into an immediate eureka moment for her to figure out a bunch of other things that immediately solve whatever problem is put in front of her. There's rarely ever any conflict involving adults not buying what she says, like there was a lot of in the books, she just convinces everyone that she knows things, and is always right about them because she had the script handed to her by the author. It takes a lot of suspension of disbelief to read, and is pretty basic wish fulfillment stuff, but is really good if you can get over that.
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# ? Jul 10, 2017 12:58 |
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I stumbled on HPMOR when I was in college and thought it was an interesting read the first time through, though primarily because it was the first fic I'd read with that level of ambition. I thought something about Big Yud and his rationality boner was rather off but haha - that rabbit hole went so much deeper than I could have imagined! Thanks for stepping up to the plate, Xander77 (and for a greatly improved reading experience), and to the rest of the thread for dragging out the turd behind the curtain. Oh, and the reading recs - they were a pleasure. Particularly glad to find TA/LA as a far superior version of the "let's take science to HP and really break poo poo" approach. I'll agree it jumps right in that trap, but it wasn't offensive enough to be an issue while I read the story. That sin is so ubiquitous with that degree of departure from canon that it registers more as a trade-off to me, anyway. The Iron Rose posted:hahahahahaha oh just you wait
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Chapter 54: The Stanford Prison Experiment, Pt 4 part 2quote:Bahry stared, a chill running down his spine. quote:The man wasn't looking at Bahry. Instead he was poking curiously at Bahry's stunner where it still wavered on the end of his wand, drawing out red sparks and flicking them away with his fingers, slowly disassembling the hex like a child's rod puzzle. ... quote:Harry could hardly see it, could hardly make out anything amid the lights and flashes, his mirror's curve was perfect (they'd practiced that tactic before in the Chaos Legion) but the scene was still too small, and Harry had the feeling he wouldn't be able to understand even if he was watching from a meter away, it was all happening too fast, red blasts deflecting from blue shields, green bars of light clashing together, shadowy forms appearing and vanishing, he couldn't even tell who was casting what, except that the Auror was shouting incantation after incantation and frantically dodging while Professor Quirrell's Polyjuiced form stood in one place and flicked his wand, mostly silently, but now and then pronouncing words in unrecognizable languages that would white out the whole mirror and show half the Auror's shielding torn away as he staggered back. This totally frentic and highly fight between Quirrelmort and Auror n#5 is taken directly from the prequels. quote:Bahry hit the ground, falling from his own frantic lunge, and his dislocated left shoulder and broken rib screamed in protest. Bahry ignored the pain, managed to scramble back to his knees, brought up his wand to stun his opponent, he didn't understand what was happening but he knew that this was his only chance. quote:Bahry breathed deeply, heavily, steadied his breath as much as he could before he spoke. quote:He turned to stare at the Auror, who had seen the Boy-Who-Lived, who knew.
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Chapter 55: The Stanford Prison Experiment, Pt 5 pt1quote:He had failed. But the point of an alluring dark side is that it's offering solutions that would work at a lower practical cost than the "proper" way, if at the cost of ethical issues. When the dark side solutions are amazingly stupid and inept, that kinda ruins the whole premise. (Never mind that Harriezer himself is more than evil enough from the reader's perspective) quote:His body was shivering, Azkaban hadn't seemed so cold before, and it seemed to be getting colder even as he thought. It was too late for him, he'd already sunk too far, he'd never be able to cast the Patronus Charm now - So he casts a Patronus charm and: quote:Harry took a deep breath. All right. It was time to reconsider the situation now that his thoughts were no longer being artificially darkened by Dementors. quote:Professor Quirrell could have repaired it easily enough, if he'd... quote:And Harry continued to take stock of the moderately hopeless-looking situation. quote:...and would it be all that hard to get out of Azkaban? If they could get to the top of Azkaban quickly enough, before the Auror was supposed to report back in, before anyone noticed him missing, then they could just fly out through the hole Professor Quirrell had made, and get far enough away from Azkaban to activate the portkey Harry already had in his possession. (Both Professor Quirrell and Harry had portkeys, and both were powerful enough to transport two humans, plus or minus a snake. As with their doubly-concealed departure from Mary's Room, Professor Quirrell had put enough safety margin in his plans to impress even Harry.) quote:The main problem Harry saw, as he quickly ran the whole process forward in his imagination, would come when they reached the roof. Professor Quirrell had been supposed to sneak around invisibly and Confund the monitors that would notice visitors in the aerial surroundings of Azkaban, causing them to see a repeating loop of scenery for a few minutes. Professor Quirrell had said that he couldn't Disillusion Harry's Patronus; and if they switched off the Patronus, the Dementors would notice Bellatrix was missing, and alert the Aurors...
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Yudkowsky posted:His body was shivering, Azkaban hadn't seemed so cold before, and it seemed to be getting colder even as he thought. It was too late for him, he'd already sunk too far, he'd never be able to cast the Patronus Charm now -
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Tiggum posted:How convenient that he's able to just reason away negative emotions. For most of us, knowing that feeling bad about something is unhelpful or counter-productive doesn't actually make us feel better, but I guess that's because we're just not rational enough. As someone who has dealt extensively with their own sadbrains bullshit, let me tell you that forcing yourself to rationally think things through is actually a legit way to break you out of a depressive death spiral. If these dementors were still a depression metaphor, then adding deliberate thinking to the list of things that work against them would be pretty apt. The bullshit here is that Harrieizer is able to do this effortlessly. It's a learned skill that takes years of therapy to get right. The character is ostensibly 11 years old, yet he's possessed with a great deal of mental maturity and self-awareness that many adults don't actually have.
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# ? Jul 22, 2017 08:55 |
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blastron posted:As someone who has dealt extensively with their own sadbrains bullshit, let me tell you that forcing yourself to rationally think things through is actually a legit way to break you out of a depressive death spiral. If these dementors were still a depression metaphor, then adding deliberate thinking to the list of things that work against them would be pretty apt. More to the point, he is doing it wrong. What someone reasoning through a depressive episode does is they employ a specific and robust analytical framework. Going through things step by step. Even when you are experienced, the process still happens, and it is still conscious. This little mistake actually belies something fairly profound on Eliezer's world-view, and I'd like to zoom in on it because I find it fascinating: quote:A crushing wave of despair swept over him, and was dismissed by the logical part of himself as untrustworthy Rationality isn't a collection of skills, a quality a philosophy or hypothesis has, or even just the idea of using "reason" to be correct as often as possible in Eliezer's world. It is, more than anything else, a feeling of confidence in his intelligence.
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# ? Jul 22, 2017 11:31 |
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Also, randomly and instantly dismissing your perceptions as untrustworthy without any evidence isn't logic or rationality, it's schizophrenia.
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# ? Jul 22, 2017 18:13 |
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It's not without any evidence, the evidence is "there's a shitload of dementors around." That honestly even kind of gets played around with as once he gets the patronus off he goes "nope depressed me was basically right, I'm screwed."
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# ? Jul 22, 2017 21:28 |
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Well the Dementors are actually death personified, hence the utter lack of scythes or ever actually killing anyone directly. Real personifications of death don't instill hugely adrenal fight-or-flight instincts, nor a sense of peace, nor panic, nor any other documented experiences that people go through during a brush with death or when actually dying -- no, they instill depressive thoughts, and Hariezer instantly believes they are Evil™. Fortunately Hariezer's magically genius brain is purpose-built to Defeat Death With Human-Patronus so he can instinctually think his way right out of the acute depression that being near literal essence of death causes (again note that they are related to depression only tangentially at BEST). QED, perfectly logical, done. Honestly though if you say "Dementors are death not depression" in your Harry Potter meta-fanfic propagandvertisement, there should be a lot of room to do interesting things with this specific departure from canon. What would Azkaban be like if the prisoners were afflicted with e.g. unreasoning panic at nearly all times? Or like some Five Stages of Grief poo poo? Some prisoners resolutely deny being imprisoned, some attempt constant bargaining to the exclusion of all else, some are blindly furious, some (only some, not all!) suffer depression, and some attain a deep peace by accepting the truth of their mortality. Or any number of other ways you could run with "Dementors are Death". But nope. When you consider the blatant depression-elemental Dementors in Harry Potter canon versus the assuredly-they're-death Dementors of Hariezer Yudotter, the most salient points are:
In conclusion, what the hell.
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# ? Jul 24, 2017 04:58 |
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Chapter 55: The Stanford Prison Experiment, Pt 5quote:Li's hands were sure despite the adrenaline, as he unlocked the bars on the Vanishing Cabinet that linked Azkaban to a well-guarded room in the interior of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement. (A one-way Vanishing Cabinet, of course. The wards permitted a few fast ways into Azkaban, all of them highly restricted, and no fast ways out.) Anyways, time to engage in a display of rational seriousness: (but not Siriusness, sadly) quote:The door of the Cabinet burst open with a bang, and into the room strode a heavy-set, square-jawed witch with greyed hair cropped close around her head. She wore no rank signs as she wore no jewelry or other ornamentation, it was only an ordinary Auror's robes that she deemed fit to grace herself: Director Amelia Bones, head of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement and said to be the only witch in the DMLE who could take Mad-Eye Moody in a fair fight (not that either of those two were the sort to fight fairly). Li had heard rumors that Amelia could Apparate within the bounds of the DMLE, and this was the sort of thing that gave rise to rumors like that, he'd called in the alarm not fifty seconds ago. Well, their biggest resource is "rationality" or "intelligence". Let's imagine for a second what a genius or "genius" character like Miles Vorkosigan or Andrew Wiggin would do in this situation. Seriously, "what if Harriezer was ACTUALLY smarter than everyone he meets, rather than just the author's favorite" makes for a very illuminating examination of all the things wrong with Yud's writing. Ender would rely upon his enemies being stupid and slow to react, identify an obvious weak spot in their patterns and use it to escape. Miles would use his unique gift for sowing chaos and confusion to create an opportunity to escape. Harriezer is going to say "well, Yud's stupid-rear end interpretation of the laws of magic states that wizard patrol teams can only ever look left, but my superior rationality is going to allow me to sneak by... on their right! Haha, I'm so smart!" That's or the equivalent of Star Trek technobabble, but with magic-babble. Just guessing, btw. I could be totally wrong. quote:Amelia strode into the duty room, Auror Li and his silver badger following behind her. She'd spun her Time-Turner the moment she'd heard the alarm, and then spent a tense hour preparing her forces for entry. You couldn't loop time within Azkaban itself, Azkaban's future couldn't interact with its past, so she hadn't been able to arrive before the DMLE had gotten the message, but she should have arrived in time... Ok, I already said that the Time-Turned needs to be ditched / restricted / literally be the only focal point of the story. But this offhanded "yeah, your special powers don't work here, special boy, best come up with another bit of bullshit" is just lazy. quote:Bellatrix pointed the wand at the snake, and said, her voice precise though it was still a whisper, "Innervate." quote:Amelia looked at where Ora was fiddling with Auror McCusker's mirror. "Specialist Weinbach," she barked, causing the young witch to start. "Any response from One-Hand's mirror?" quote:"We found a hole in the roof over C spiral!" someone shouted from the doorway. "Still open, ward circumventions still active!" Seriously - in the guise of flashing back and forth between the two scenes, we're actually mostly reduced to regurgitating the same information the reader had already processed. I've skipped several scenes completely, and you didn't notice because they were just repeating information you already had. Some more. All this "Bones isn't here to joke around, and here are her security arrangements, can you spot how our heroes are going to go through them (of course you can't, because it's going to be based on arbitrary bullshit pulled directly out of their rear end)" stuff should have been established in a single scene. quote:Harry hadn't been able to think of any way out. ... quote:Then his brain knew who he was hearing, and in almost the same moment, figured out what he was hearing. quote:The Patronus brightened, not out of control, but it brightened, with every step Harry took forward. Meanwhile, with the Aurors: quote:Emmeline wavered for a while, probably too long, and then finally decided. The hell with it, she thought. We're all on the same side, we need to stick together whether Director Bones likes it or not.
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Chapter 56: TSPE, Constrained Optimization, Pt 6quote:I'm not sure I can do this, Harry thought, and he couldn't blame the despairing thought on the Dementors either. It would be better to be lower, safer to be lower, his plan would take time to implement and the Aurors were probably already working their way down. But if Harry had to pass any more of those metal doors while staying silent and keeping his breathing perfectly regular, he might go mad; if he had to leave a piece of himself behind at each one, soon there wouldn't be anything left of him - ... quote:Amelia heard the familiar crack of fire and knew what she would see as she turned. quote:Before Amelia could speak again, even to express her surprised gratification, the old wizard gestured with his long black wand and a blazing silver phoenix sprang into existence, brighter perhaps than all their other Patronuses put together. It was the first time she'd seen that spell cast wordlessly. "Order all your Aurors to cancel their Patronus Charms for ten seconds," said the old wizard. "What darkness cannot find, the light may." Oh hey, and its time for some quote:This isn't fair, isn't fair, isn't fair! There's a limit to how many constraints you can add to a problem before it really is impossible! But before he does: quote:How can I protect myself from the Dementors without a Patronus Charm? quote:Oh, I understand now. quote:For Bellatrix Black and the snake draped around her shoulders were concealed by the Cloak of Invisibility, one of the three Deathly Hallows and reputed to hide its wearer from the gaze of Death himself. The riddle whose answer had been lost, and which Harry had found anew. quote:The old wizard strode back into the midst of the Aurors, the silver and the red-golden phoenixes now following behind.
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# ? Jul 27, 2017 12:30 |
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Xander77 posted:He uses the cloak. That's actually kinda sorta semi-clever, since the cloak was in fact established as a way to stay hidden from death. Also, I can't tell if his split personality and sudden insights are meant to be clues to a later revelation or if it's just bad writing.
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# ? Jul 27, 2017 12:44 |
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Tiggum posted:I forget, how does he know the cloak is a deathly hallow? Or that deathly hallows are even a thing? The person who gave him the cloak (Dumbledore) told him.
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# ? Jul 27, 2017 12:56 |
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Xander77 posted:Chapter 56: TSPE, Constrained Optimization, Pt 6 Hitlermort did nothing wrong.
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# ? Jul 30, 2017 00:19 |
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what did you all do that was bad enough that you felt obligated to punish yourselves this way
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# ? Jul 30, 2017 00:24 |
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PupsOfWar posted:what did you all do that was bad enough that you felt obligated to punish yourselves this way Too many things to list in this limited format, personally.
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# ? Jul 30, 2017 00:29 |
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PupsOfWar posted:what did you all do that was bad enough that you felt obligated to punish yourselves this way But we feel rationally obligated, that's the important thing. quote:It had felt like guessing, and yet a certain guess, the knowledge coming to him in the instant of solving the riddle.
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# ? Jul 30, 2017 11:46 |
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Xander77 posted:Shouldn't HPMOR's far more rational and prepared Aurors just blast whoever else was present with a stun spell (since those are easy to cast and have no ill effects) They do cause damage actually. Not much, but McGonagall took half a dozen at once in one of the books and ended up in the hospital, with people honestly surprised that it hadn't killed her outright.
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# ? Jul 31, 2017 10:58 |
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PupsOfWar posted:what did you all do that was bad enough that you felt obligated to punish yourselves this way I kicked a nun
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# ? Aug 1, 2017 04:44 |
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Dalris Othaine posted:I kicked a nun I kicked a wicked nun habit.
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# ? Aug 1, 2017 07:34 |
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Chapter 57: TSPE, Constrained Cognition, Pt 7quote:Harry had hoped that he'd just achieved fusion with his mysterious dark side and would be enabled to draw on all of its benefits with none of its drawbacks, call up the crystal clarity and indomitable will on demand, without needing to go cold or angry. Anyways, here's a quick reasoning for why the Auror's give Harriezer time to make his stupid plans and deal with the Dementors on his own: quote:"We have a fix!" shouted Ora, holding up her magic mirror as though in triumph. "The Dementor outside the inner wall pointed to level seven, C spiral, that's where they are!" quote:New requirement, Harry told his brain. Find a way of defeating Dementors that doesn't invoke my Patronus Charm. Alternatively, find yet another way of hiding someone from Dementors, besides the Cloak of Invisibility - quote:Harry's eyes were fixed on the far end of the corridor, next to the stairs that led downward. Not in his mind now, but in true reality, the light in the corridor had dimmed, the temperature had fallen. The fear thundered over him and around him like a sea whipped by hurricane winds, and the sucking emptiness had become a howling draw toward some approaching black hole. quote:The shadows of Death stopped. quote:And the voids retreated back as smoothly as they came, the winds of nothingness lessening with each meter they traversed, as they slid back down the stairs, and departed. quote:The old wizard smoothed his silver beard contemplatively, looking at where Auror Bahry was being carried out of the room by two strong Aurors. Nah, it's probably just as easy to knock someone out, let's make sure we only use lethal force on that unknown person by default". quote:Dumbledore turned to the blazing silver phoenix on his shoulder, whose light illuminated the whole corridor, and received a silent headshake in reply. "I cannot detect them either," said Dumbledore. Then he shrugged. "I suppose I shall just walk the whole spiral from top to bottom and see if anything turns up, shall I?" quote:Harry said a word to his pouch, and began drawing forth the magical device that he would mate to the product of his hour's labor. Then, when that was drawn forth, another word brought forth a tube of industrial-strength glue; before using it, Harry cast the Bubble-Head Charm on himself and Bellatrix, and had Bellatrix cast the same Charm on the snake, so that the glue fumes in the enclosed cell would not harm them. 2. Ffffffffffffffuck transfiguration. As other posters have mentioned, it's not that difficult, it's not that dangerous, it's literally something they teach to children in the HPverse. HP is one of the relatively few modern fictional universes that have some basic rules to their magic, yet freely allow magic to create and permanently alter things with no universe-shattering repercussions. Yud importing that restriction into it and then making getting around it his protagonist's special power is just... I don't know, sheer goddamn stupidity even by his standards? A result of having not read the books? Whatever the case, transfiguration wank is the dullest part of a deathly dull fic. quote:On the long bench that served as a prison bed, where Harry had set down the Transfigured technological device and the mated magic item for the glue to dry, tiny letters in golden script gleamed on the Muggle artifact. Harry hadn't really planned for them to be there, but they'd kept running through the back of his mind, and so seemed to have become part of the Transfigured form.
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Xander77 posted:2. Ffffffffffffffuck transfiguration. As other posters have mentioned, it's not that difficult, it's not that dangerous, it's literally something they teach to children in the HPverse. Other posters are wrong. "Transfiguration is some of the most complex and dangerous magic you will learn at Hogwarts. Anyone messing around in my class will leave and not come back. You have been warned."
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# ? Aug 2, 2017 00:55 |
eliezarry's "special" transfiguration method is actually something most HP wizards can't do, and enabled by scientific understanding of the atomic nature of matter. the descriptions might be dull, but it's probably the least grating part of the fic to me because it shows a spark of a good idea and is the only advantage eliezarry gains through genuine factual knowledge instead of rationalist philosophizing now, transfiguration being so extraordinarily dangerous that it's practically always unsafe for students to use unsupervised is a dumb yud invention, yeah Jazerus fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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# ? Aug 2, 2017 05:33 |
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They're both aping loving Army of Darkness, a vastly better story despite the protagonist being an idiot.
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Yudkowsky posted:All right, you primitive screwheads! Listen up! reignonyourparade posted:Other posters are wrong. Jazerus posted:eliezarry's "special" transfiguration method is actually something most HP wizards can't do
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