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I think the final scene might be fantasy but I think we're also led to believe it's going to happen eventually. There's no reason to think he isn't the model prisoner, and obviously Deborah loves him deeply.
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PostNouveau posted:I don't think it's an implausible take on the ending. The visual language just struck me as a clear movement from fantasy to reality. I could be reading it wrong. You pretty clearly see him look into the mirror and close his eyes before the final shot begins. It's very clear that it at least starts as a fantasy, but what happens after that is up for debate. What I want to know is how deaf is Baby at the end of the movie. In the original script, it's pretty clear that he couldn't hear at all, but I guess at some point they realized that having the last 5 minutes of the movie be completely silent or just a high-pitched whine would be really depressing. The sound is really muffled immediately post-showdown, and then just kind of echo-y for the rest of the movie. It's also possibly the first time the music in the movie isn't diegetic; from the second he turns the car off, all the music is in Baby's head. It's clear something has changed for the worse, but he seems largely aware of when people are talking to him and it seems in that last shot that he can kind of hear the tv. Going to prison by itself sucks. Going to prison and losing most of your ability to enjoy the main thing that has given your life meaning up until that point would be straight-up soul crushing, girl or no girl.
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Jul 8, 2017 23:25
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PostNouveau posted:I don't think it's an implausible take on the ending. The visual language just struck me as a clear movement from fantasy to reality. I could be reading it wrong. The thing that stood out to me as differing from the rest of the montage is that a lot of it seemed to specifically follow the process of his path into prison, in court - going to jail - mugshot - in jail - working - etc. But we don't get that for a release, like, parole hearing - picking up possessions - walking out of prison, etc. Instead we get Deborah's voiceover while he looks at a postcard she sent him with a vintage car on it & then a transition to her by the exact same vintage car. At the same time that's sort of the same shorthand used for Baby getting the pizza job so it isn't like it's out of the movie's visual language. But also they look identical age-wise despite the time difference, it's an expensive car & she's wearing the same retro outfit as in the other fantasy (and I think Baby is too? But I can't remember for certain), it seems odd she would be able to do all that & also match all that (but at the same time 5 years has passed so it's not completely implausible and she was the one who sent the postcard). But I think I was wrong to say it's a fantasy, because it seems more like it's intentionally ambiguous/enough there for either reading to be plausible.
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Hat Thoughts posted:The thing that stood out to me as differing from the rest of the montage is that a lot of it seemed to specifically follow the process of his path into prison, in court - going to jail - mugshot - in jail - working - etc. But we don't get that for a release, like, parole hearing - picking up possessions - walking out of prison, etc. Instead we get Deborah's voiceover while he looks at a postcard she sent him with a vintage car on it & then a transition to her by the exact same vintage car. At the same time that's sort of the same shorthand used for Baby getting the pizza job so it isn't like it's out of the movie's visual language. But also they look identical age-wise despite the time difference, it's an expensive car & she's wearing the same retro outfit as in the other fantasy (and I think Baby is too? But I can't remember for certain), it seems odd she would be able to do all that & also match all that (but at the same time 5 years has passed so it's not completely implausible and she was the one who sent the postcard). I'm sure he's not wearing the same outfit. In the first fantasy he's got a jacket on that kinda looks like a letterman jacket but isn't. When he leaves the prison he's wearing a white T-shirt. The car's definitely the biggest clue for a fantasy sequence, but they could explain it either way if they want a sequel.
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Jul 8, 2017 23:55
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Need to watch this again, but wow. Saw someone saying you wouldn't know Edgar made this and I disagree. The laundromat scene, especially the earbud choreography, was quintessential Wright. Way more tense than usual, and the deaths, especially darlings and spaceys were impactful. If this doesn't win sound editing this winter, we riot.
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PostNouveau posted:I'm sure he's not wearing the same outfit. In the first fantasy he's got a jacket on that kinda looks like a letterman jacket but isn't. When he leaves the prison he's wearing a white T-shirt. She's not wearing the same outfit either. In the first one she's wearing retro clothes, in the second it's a simpler and more modern dress and a pair of boots she was wearing during several scenes in the movie before. In the first one his hair looked combed back and gelled too and in the end one it was normal. Wasn't he wearing a striped black sweater thing in the first one? I remember short sleeves like a sweatervest over a shirt or a polo but I was more focused on the hair and how goofy the actor's face is. I hope it wasn't a fantasy, I want him to have gotten his ending. 
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PostNouveau posted:I'm sure he's not wearing the same outfit. In the first fantasy he's got a jacket on that kinda looks like a letterman jacket but isn't. When he leaves the prison he's wearing a white T-shirt. Losing the jacket that he wore while doing crimes is a symbol of him leaving that part of his life behind, like come on
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I thought this movie was just ok. All style, little substance, and even the driving scenes were a major let down after the opening scene. The movie was too long, but the ending still felt rushed and the payoff didn't feel rewarding. The most boring character became a groan inducing stereotypical horror movie villain and Kevin Spacey's character was wasted potential. Ansel Elgort was great, as was the music and sound editing of course. A disappointing 3/5 that felt like a short turned feature length without enough development.
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Jul 9, 2017 16:22
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Was pretty underwhelmed by this, unfortunately. I thought the scenes with Amstel Eggbort dancing and lip syncing were kind of embarrassing. It reminded me of Spider Man 3.
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Jul 9, 2017 20:08
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Jul 9, 2017 20:24
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frogbs posted:Was pretty underwhelmed by this, unfortunately. You're not alone in that. I liked it at first, he was a quirky and interesting character that gave no fucks what others thought of him and the whole earbuds thing was intriguing only for all of that to just evaporate 2/3s through the movie when he trasforms into a generic protagonist. Then it comes back and were supposed to feel empathetic when he "goes deaf" but that doesn't even last 5 minutes of screen time. Just no payoff anywhere.
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Jul 9, 2017 20:31
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Just saw this and loved it. Was I the only one a little disappointed that Buddy and Baby didn't have a crazy chase through the city? Especially since Buddy specifically referenced having been a wheel man.
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Jul 9, 2017 20:43
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10 Beers posted:Just saw this and loved it. Was I the only one a little disappointed that Buddy and Baby didn't have a crazy chase through the city? Especially since Buddy specifically referenced having been a wheel man. I hoped for that too, like the chase in Point Break where they're crashing through stuff.
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Jul 9, 2017 21:26
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It felt like it was one chase short. Then again, maybe Wright was trying to show just how hard getaways are. Baby kept on getting new cars, but he couldn't get enough distance. More than likely they ran out of money since the director had to finance the foot chase himself. 30 million only buys you so much when Kevin Spacey, Jamie Foxx, and John Hamm are on the payroll.
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Jul 9, 2017 21:42
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Caught this last night, and I loved it. Best action film I've seen since John Wick, goddamn. After the screening, Edgar Wright and Ansel Elgort came out and did a Q&A hosted by Peter Jackson. There wasn't much that came out that hasn't been mentioned elsewhere, but Edgar did mention that he gave the actors little notes about bits of characterisation to help inform their performances. One of Doc's things was that the crime was just a side gig for him now - he used to do it full time, but now he has other business. That's why he never takes off his coat, because he's not staying around any longer than he has to.
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Jul 9, 2017 21:50
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Jul 9, 2017 22:09
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His name. It's not a normal, sounding name. It sounds weird
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Jul 9, 2017 22:13
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His siblings both have normal names so he was clearly intended as the dump child. He was not supposed to become famous.
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cptn_dr posted:Caught this last night, and I loved it. Best action film I've seen since John Wick, goddamn. That's more info than the movie gives you about doc. Did the characterizations go beyond 1 dimensional? Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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I enjoyed the movie a lot but I will say that it struck me as weird how Doc is meant to be the very smart criminal but then hired a group of people who were like guaranteed to gently caress the job up through bickering
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Jul 9, 2017 22:23
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Cicadalek posted:I enjoyed the movie a lot but I will say that it struck me as weird how Doc is meant to be the very smart criminal but then hired a group of people who were like guaranteed to gently caress the job up through bickering It didn't help that Buddy was killing off qualified crew members for stupid reasons. It felt like maybe they had a really good rotating crew and things went downhill with Nose and Hat. I don't think anyone had died on Baby's missions prior to that and then they had two heists in a row with deaths.
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I mean you're dealing with career criminals, you're going to get a mixed bag no matter what
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Spergatory posted:His siblings both have normal names so he was clearly intended as the dump child. He was not supposed to become famous. I mean, it's not as if the name "Ansel" on it's own is completely unbelievable. Ansel Adams (i assume is who he's named after) is a name that people don't scoff at, but if you're naming a kid you have to look at how the name plays as a whole. If you have a last name like Elgort maybe the slightly flashier names will make him sound goofy. Then again, sometimes you get a last name like Cumberbatch and there's no helping it sounding like a parody of a British name. That's when you lean into it.
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Krispy Kareem posted:It didn't help that Buddy was killing off qualified crew members for stupid reasons. I assume you mean Bats and not Buddy. Bats is pretty much a case study in how one rear end in a top hat can wreck an entire operation.
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Spergatory posted:I assume you mean Bats and not Buddy. Bats is pretty much a case study in how one rear end in a top hat can wreck an entire operation. Buddy was also killing off members for stupid reasons. He killed that jerk from the beginning, and was going to kill off Bats since his wife told him to.
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Izzhov posted:Buddy was also killing off members for stupid reasons. He killed that jerk from the beginning, and was going to kill off Bats since his wife told him to. at least he was smart enough to wait until after the heists themselves.
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It's strange how blatantly Oedipal this movie is. In Baby Driver, the main character, goes by the name Baby thus attaching him to his status as a child throughout the film. His mother is idolised in rose-tinted memories and his key connection to her, such that he is willing to risk his life for it, is a gold-coloured tape of her singing. His object of desire, Debora, looks like his mother (note; not a case of goon face-blindness, Lily James and Sky Ferreira look quite different, but in silhouette, style, and filmic archetype, they fulfil a similar role) and have worked at the same diner that Baby is always going to. His father is already dead, but Baby impliedly blames him for his tinnitus and mother's death and doesn't miss him at all (he only mentions missing his mother, his father was abusive to her, and was driving when the accident happened). Baby then becomes the most skilled driver at the business, thus attaining competence and mastery at the very thing that caused his father's demise, replacing him. Baby is able to escape his resentment of violent older male figures and paternal role models by killing two of them, Jamie Foxx and Jon Hamm, and leaving his two most explicit father figures, Kevin Spacey and his foster father. When he achieves his dream of being "out on the open road" with Debra, this is when he is simultaneously reunited with his mother, hearing Ferreira/his mother's take on 'Easy' while his dream is brought true. Of course, though, this escape can't be maintained for Baby to truly achieve his fantasy. In being arrested and atoning for his sins, Baby is wrenched away from his new mother/girlfriend Debra and becomes unable to see her in person. Her letters to him replace the objectified "Mom" tape with a new one (Debra's letters) and his rose-tinted nostalgic memories of his mother are instead replaced with the 50s-style fantasies of leaving and escaping with Debra again, the anachronistic elements, despite looking in the future, an acknowledgement that his dream is still rooted in the past return to be with his mother. But, of course, Baby doesn't actually just want to become reunited with his mother, or be with Debra in place of her. He wants to go from "Baby" to becoming a man, which he does by the end of the movie, having excised the older male figures from his life, returning to his real name (Miles) and having Debra replaced his mother as the woman he fantasises about and longs to be with (i.e. to be merely with her again would fail to replace her entirely - she must become the woman he dreams of being with again). BOAT SHOWBOAT fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Izzhov posted:Buddy was also killing off members for stupid reasons. He killed that jerk from the beginning, and was going to kill off Bats since his wife told him to. It's just like Bats said. He and Buddy are just like each other. Buddy just tried to keep it under a veneer of respectability, while Bats did what he wanted when he wanted.
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:It's strange how blatantly Oedipal this movie is. In Baby Driver, the main character, goes by the name Baby thus attaching him to his status as a child throughout the film. His mother is idolised in rose-tinted memories and his key connection to her, such that he is willing to risk his life for it, is a gold-coloured tape of her singing. His object of desire, Debora, looks like his mother (note; not a case of goon face-blindness, Lily James and Sky Ferreira look quite different, but in silhouette, style, and filmic archetype, they fulfil a similar role) and have worked at the same diner that Baby is always going to. I'm with you, but wasn't she driving?
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I don't remember who was driving but Baby falling in love with his own mother was definitely something both I and my partner picked up on watching the movie.
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AdmiralViscen posted:I'm with you, but wasn't she driving? I'll concede I might have gotten that point wrong. I'm Australian so the steering wheel is on the opposite side so my brain might have processed it the wrong way in terms of who was sitting where and it's a pretty quick scene that I'd have to rewatch.
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Yeah, she's driving. But I think you're on to something. Baby and Debra never have sex and his relationship with her seems idolized and superficial on the surface. He wants someone to replace that void his mother left and she wants a boyfriend, but they never got far enough for that to become a problem. So she waited 5 years for him and now they're going to have a lovely dysfunctional relationship.
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bushisms.txt posted:Need to watch this again, but wow. Saw someone saying you wouldn't know Edgar made this and I disagree. The laundromat scene, especially the earbud choreography, was quintessential Wright. Way more tense than usual, and the deaths, especially darlings and spaceys were impactful. If this doesn't win sound editing this winter, we riot. Yeah I agree with this. It felt a lot like a spiritual successor to Scott Pilgrim for me. I had a 5 hour roadtrip today and put the soundtrack on and it was so good. I really want to rewatch this.
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Looks like Baby Driver had a really good second week, dropping about 38% to take in another 13 mil. Looks like word of mouth will give this film legs for a good amount of time, particularly Planet of the Apes is the only blockbuster out next weekend of note in the states.
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Chieves posted:Looks like Baby Driver had a really good second week, dropping about 38% to take in another 13 mil. Looks like word of mouth will give this film legs for a good amount of time, particularly Planet of the Apes is the only blockbuster out next weekend of note in the states. Spiderman might make it struggle, though.
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pospysyl posted:Fate is funnier, has more fleshed out characters, has a better love story (!) and a more coherent plot (!!), and, most importantly, actually depicts car stunts. Yeah, I was surprised how lifeless the end to this stunt is even in the final movie, where they have to hide that his momentum completely dies: http://i.imgur.com/G6k4U9Q.gifv There's definitely things I liked about the movie, particularly what funny parts there were, but I was surprised how little I enjoyed this as a car movie.
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:Spiderman might make it struggle, though. Spider-Man was out this weekend though. Baby Driver is actually great counter programming for Spider-Man, since it gets all the grown-ups who think they're too old for Spider-Man (or the people who are stuck at the theater while their friends and family are watching Spider-Man again).
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