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DevCore
Jul 16, 2003

Schooled by Satan



Man these are great. Love this shop too.

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BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
Haha, I marathon'd the entire build series this morning. Speed Academy is a bunch of good dudes.

blk
Dec 19, 2009
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What do you guys think of this 987 at $16k USD?

https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/6186825810.html

keyframe
Sep 15, 2007

I have seen things

blk posted:

What do you guys think of this 987 at $16k USD?

https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/6186825810.html

That looks super clean.

Also love the dog in the passenger seat in two of those pics.

the spyder
Feb 18, 2011

blk posted:

What do you guys think of this 987 at $16k USD?

https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/6186825810.html

Do it. Before my wife finds it.

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



It's got the chrono pack too, I'm jealous. Now buy it before I make another cross country road trip.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Yeah that really looks clean as hell. Unless the motor is about to imminently poo poo itself, it's probably a good deal. Even better if you can haggle even more.

blk
Dec 19, 2009
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Are PPIs a good idea on Boxsters?

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



blk posted:

Are PPIs a good idea on Boxsters?

Good idea on any car.

That said I've pushed my luck and got lucky with just as thorough of an inspection that I can conduct and a nice long test drive, a quick deal can be a good haggling technique. I've also bought cars at salvage auctions in the past and your "inspection" consists of you having a few hour window to look over the car without it's keys with everyone else walking around, or better yet having a set of photos to go off of and the assurance that it was probably working well enough to crash.

With this next boxster I'm in the process of buying at least I've bought a durametric pro so I can prod the ecu and it can tattle if it's been really abused.

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


Toilet Rascal
Looking at that boxster I doubt it has ever seen over 4000 rpms. Sometimes you can love too much. Let me know the over limit report when you buy it.

keyframe
Sep 15, 2007

I have seen things

Elephanthead posted:

Looking at that boxster I doubt it has ever seen over 4000 rpms. Sometimes you can love too much. Let me know the over limit report when you buy it.

Yea I don't understand how it has such low mileage for a 2005 car. I think it is babied a bit too much. I already put 1500 miles on mine since picking it up last week and I haven't even gone to any of the long trips I have planned yet. :v:

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer
crosspost but owns https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/cto/6210385106.html. That's an amazing price but I'm not buying any more until I get the newest 911 back on the road, all the parts onto the 968, and a full service and vinyl wrap on the 966 turbo.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
I saw a 951 at that price, did the PPI, and sat there for 10 min as the inspector chewed out the seller for the condition of the car and the hacked mods done to it.

MortLansky
Dec 17, 2014
Anyone have experience winter-driving a 996? I want to get something I can count on in virtually all conditions but realistically will probably be driven in actual snow maybe 2-3 times a year. I've seen some C4S's in my area that are somewhat affordable and I like the idea of whipping around a 911 in inclement weather. Mostly because I drive my 964 less and less and still want the "911 experience" 12 months a year if I can manage. From what I've seen, the AWD system isn't that great for slippery conditions, and the 997 version is pretty much universally better, but those cars are still a tad too expensive for my taste. Besides that there's the whole thing of getting dedicated wheels and tires, which I don't mind doing, but at that point maybe a RWD Carrera would be fine. I just don't trust it though since there's some gnarly hills in my area and I just KNOW the day will come where there's a light dusting and not having AWD will keep me from going up the hill.

Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat
Just put snow tires on it and drive carefully.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer

MortLansky posted:

Anyone have experience winter-driving a 996? I want to get something I can count on in virtually all conditions but realistically will probably be driven in actual snow maybe 2-3 times a year. I've seen some C4S's in my area that are somewhat affordable and I like the idea of whipping around a 911 in inclement weather. Mostly because I drive my 964 less and less and still want the "911 experience" 12 months a year if I can manage. From what I've seen, the AWD system isn't that great for slippery conditions, and the 997 version is pretty much universally better, but those cars are still a tad too expensive for my taste. Besides that there's the whole thing of getting dedicated wheels and tires, which I don't mind doing, but at that point maybe a RWD Carrera would be fine. I just don't trust it though since there's some gnarly hills in my area and I just KNOW the day will come where there's a light dusting and not having AWD will keep me from going up the hill.

The 996 AWD will help keep you from getting stuck but won't keep you from sliding off the road though other than that it'll be as fine as a RWD sports car can be in winter conditions.

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi

MortLansky posted:

Anyone have experience winter-driving a 996? I want to get something I can count on in virtually all conditions but realistically will probably be driven in actual snow maybe 2-3 times a year. I've seen some C4S's in my area that are somewhat affordable and I like the idea of whipping around a 911 in inclement weather. Mostly because I drive my 964 less and less and still want the "911 experience" 12 months a year if I can manage. From what I've seen, the AWD system isn't that great for slippery conditions, and the 997 version is pretty much universally better, but those cars are still a tad too expensive for my taste. Besides that there's the whole thing of getting dedicated wheels and tires, which I don't mind doing, but at that point maybe a RWD Carrera would be fine. I just don't trust it though since there's some gnarly hills in my area and I just KNOW the day will come where there's a light dusting and not having AWD will keep me from going up the hill.

I daily drove a 981 this past winter in Wisconsin with dedicated winter tires. No issues at all, even with some snow on the ground.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Pretty rare, curious how much it'll go for: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2011-porsche-boxster-spyder-4/

The other thing I've learned about Porsche pricing is that people are selling their used GT4s at or over what they paid to dealers. One guy in the comments said his dealer offered to pay 5k over to take it back.

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi

kimbo305 posted:

Pretty rare, curious how much it'll go for: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2011-porsche-boxster-spyder-4/

The other thing I've learned about Porsche pricing is that people are selling their used GT4s at or over what they paid to dealers. One guy in the comments said his dealer offered to pay 5k over to take it back.

I've been following that car on Rennlist. What a perfect car. Part of me feels I should have gone for a Spyder instead of a Cayman, practicality be damned.

Mr-Spain
Aug 27, 2003

Bullshit... you can be mine.

kimbo305 posted:

Pretty rare, curious how much it'll go for: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2011-porsche-boxster-spyder-4/

The other thing I've learned about Porsche pricing is that people are selling their used GT4s at or over what they paid to dealers. One guy in the comments said his dealer offered to pay 5k over to take it back.

I absolutely love those cars.

willie_dee
Jun 21, 2010
I obtain sexual gratification from observing people being inflicted with violent head injuries

kimbo305 posted:

Pretty rare, curious how much it'll go for: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2011-porsche-boxster-spyder-4/

The other thing I've learned about Porsche pricing is that people are selling their used GT4s at or over what they paid to dealers. One guy in the comments said his dealer offered to pay 5k over to take it back.

The Boxster version of the GT4 doesn't seem to get the same prominence which I find odd.

Residency Evil posted:

I've been following that car on Rennlist. What a perfect car. Part of me feels I should have gone for a Spyder instead of a Cayman, practicality be damned.

I had a look at one awhile back and they need to be kept in doors from what the dealer said, the roof isn't suitable to be long term outside. Ruined it for me in this country.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
Let's have a drink!
Ducktail!

I've had it back a couple weeks but didn't have any photos until just recently, but I changed out the original whale tail I had for a ducktail on the 911. I think it looks killer, and I'm mostly happy with the paint considering the age and condition of the mostly original paint around the tail. I'll do a whole car respray later but for now it looks good enough.

I liked the original tail and I still have it, but ultimately I think it looks a lot cleaner and neater, which I'm big on. This one only has 50% the lift reduction as the whale tail but being the fastest guy through the corners is not the most important thing in the world.


http://imgur.com/ChJrlPj


http://imgur.com/ZxyhihI

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Is it OEM? Reproduction? I dunno how the parts scene works for Porsches.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
Let's have a drink!
It's a reproduction in fiberglass, took some building and shaping to fit right but the final product is pretty good. I'm not sure if factory originals are available anymore, but there are some shops that will take original metal decklids and bond fiberglass ducktails to them to match the OEM fit perfectly.

Just checked through rennlist, an original RS ducktail might be $5k+ now (I'll stick with the fiberglass!) and no more are being built.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer
Ducktails are awesome and it's too bad only the older 911s can pull it off. Did you have a whale on before or just the basic lid?

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
I think it's possible. I would definitely consider it if I got a 996:

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
Let's have a drink!

Jymmybob posted:

Ducktails are awesome and it's too bad only the older 911s can pull it off. Did you have a whale on before or just the basic lid?

Whale tail. It's a factory one too so I'm holding on to it, but I prefer the much cleaner look with the duck.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Dave Inc. posted:

Just checked through rennlist, an original RS ducktail might be $5k+ now (I'll stick with the fiberglass!) and no more are being built.

It seems like at that kind of price point you could get a skilled fabricator to make one by hand for less.

Nothing wrong with a well-made fiberglass part, though.

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



So, I think I'm going for it. Got to break in my new durametric pro with this one.

Can I get a sanity check? Plan is to give final payment on Thursday so I can back out before then for the cost of my deposit and alternative travel arrangements home.



05 Boxster base, nicely equipped, 92k km

Good:
Low to average km for its age
Body looks great, very minor scratch on passenger side, should be nearly invisible after a polish
Drives great, no abnormal noises when driving, going over bumps, accelerating hard, or braking
Color looks fantastic in person, the yellow isn't grating, sand beige looks really nice
Tires have good tread
Everything electrical works, and so does AC
Shouldn't require anything to pass a safety inspection in Manitoba
Canadian market car

Meh:
One of the POs installed aftermarket radio and amplifier.
All red taillights are not my thing, but are passable.
Tires are dated 2013, so a little old but the tread looks good, no cracking in the sidewall which is a surprise for Michelin's
Black floor mats, and tacky pedal covers
Convertible elastics are worn, they're easy to reinforce though so I'll have to do that
Cheap cf wrap on some interior bits
Missing factory tool kit


Bad:
Missing wind deflector
Seat adjustment knobs (upper back rest ones)- one missing, others suspect, will need replacing most likely
Aftermarket spoiler, install looks ghetto. Would try to replace with factory one if I can track one down
LED lighting installed in few places, computer is unhappy about it when probed with durametric, no warnings on cluster though.
LED in gauge cluster, uneven lighting, bugs the poo poo out of me
No service records with the car
Only has a single key, would need to purchase another.

Scary:
Had 13/19 revolutions in 4 and 3 rev range at 350ish engine hours, assumed to be from single event.
150 revolutions in range 2 at 2900ish engine hours, and last revs into range 1 were at the same time

Currently at 3300 engine hours.

After the drive could hear some valve train noise from motor when kneeling behind it. Inaudible from inside car. Sounded very similar to what my previous one did after winter storage. After a few minutes noise went away. Crossing my fingers it's just from being stored for the last month, and maybe being due for an oil change. The range 3,4 overrev scares me but it was almost 2900 engine hours ago so if excessive damage was done I'd expect it to have surfaced by now.

Overall I'm scare-roused. So far we agreed on $16,000 CAD and at that price I should be able to get away with breaking even even if the motor betrays me and needs replacing. I'm thinking it's worth around $24k-26k in Manitoba based on what I've seen them listed for and having sold my previous one for $21k with almost twice the mileage.

Ether Frenzy
Dec 22, 2006




Nap Ghost

Dave Inc. posted:

Whale tail. It's a factory one too so I'm holding on to it, but I prefer the much cleaner look with the duck.


That is a sweet car either way. Do you have any with Duck vs Whale in a similar angle?

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



Bajaha posted:

Overall I'm scare-roused. So far we agreed on $16,000 CAD and at that price I should be able to get away with breaking even even if the motor betrays me and needs replacing. I'm thinking it's worth around $24k-26k in Manitoba based on what I've seen them listed for and having sold my previous one for $21k with almost twice the mileage.

Hmm I can definitely see why you're on the fence... at break even if motor grenades and assurances of that much profit, kinda a hard deal to pass up.

On the other hand, and I'm sure you're weighing this too, car absolutely screams of PO fuckery: fairly tasteless mods, which jives right with the overrevs, also electrical issues? No service history bugs me but is unsurprising given the state of the car and may not be too risky given the low miles, just praying they did a handful of oil changes. Agreed damage from overrevs would have presented itself by now, and I believe in your ability to fix what can be fixed.

EDIT: Any idea how much a new key would cost? I've heard everything from "reasonable" to "a fortune."

thechalkoutline fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jul 25, 2017

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



thechalkoutline posted:


EDIT: Any idea how much a new key would cost? I've heard everything from "reasonable" to "a fortune."

Wowza, key looks to be $400-$500 all in, I think the durametric would let me marry a new key to the car, but I'm not sure how involved that is, or how restricted (can I use any old used 987 key?)

Unfucking the thing doesn't seem like an insurmountable task, I just don't know if I want to commit (I really want it, but my gut is telling me I'm in for a good amount of work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdnnJRCRtPo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0w_spcWArI

The more I rewatch those the more I think this needs a new motor soon. Maybe it's in dire need of an oil change, maybe it's the IMS on its way out, maybe the valve lash is out of spec, maybe an accessory has a dying bearing.

Can't decide if I cut my losses or go balls deep and see how far the rabbit hole goes.

Oh, there is a weeping seal in the area between trans and motor, it's wet but no oil spot on the ground anywhere. Makes me un easy about the ims even more.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer
The durametric won't do key setup sadly, you're best bet it call around to dealers or a large specialist who might have the equipment and know you're going to eat the couple hundred.

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



I've been watching YouTube videos of what others say a failed ims sounds like and this one doesn't sound too much like this, but I don't know if that's just denial or wishful thinking.

Anyone have good ears or better speakers than the ones on my phone?

E: going to toss it to a close-ish shop, autobahn motors in Markham for a PPI with a focus on the motor. Maybe that'll push me in one direction or the other...

Bajaha fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jul 25, 2017

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
Let's have a drink!
I really don't hear anything odd coming from that motor. What's the scary sound because it's not really coming through audio for me.

Oh, and an IMS would sound nothing like that. Think rattling chains in a metal bucket, and only heard for a few seconds before explosion.

Ether Frenzy posted:

That is a sweet car either way. Do you have any with Duck vs Whale in a similar angle?

Thanks! But oddly enough I don't have a shot that matches.

Dave Inc. fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jul 25, 2017

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

Dave Inc. posted:

I really don't hear anything odd coming from that motor. What's the scary sound because it's not really coming through audio for me.

Oh, and an IMS would sound nothing like that. Think rattling chains in a metal bucket, and only heard for a few seconds before explosion.


Thanks! But oddly enough I don't have a shot that matches.

Yeah my understanding of the ims issue is it goes from zero to ker-bang with little to no warning

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Did I link this?: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-porsche-944-turbo-19/
It's nice, but I couldn't justify just having that car.

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



Well, it's a metallic rattling noise while off throttle on the way down which had me the most worried, and the loudish rhythmic metallic ticking at idle. The ticking sounded similar to what my previous one did after winter storage that cleared up after two days of driving so I'm not crazy worried on that, the rattling on the way down had me worried as that I haven't heard.

Still working on my expectations for engine noise from these. Either noise on my old forester wouldn't have even been worth noticing, but with an unknown car and a 24hr drive ahead of me I'm probably being over sensitive.

With the PPI I'll at least get another opinion of the car and some feedback as to my own assessment for it.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
Let's have a drink!
That rattling actually sounded like subdued afterfire out of the exhaust to me. The PPI should figure it out.

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Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



Owner is wafting and using lack of time as excuse. I've offered to help with dropping it off at the shop and they offer after hours drop off, and it's not been driving so it's not like he needs it as a daily.

Without the PPI I won't buy this one so I guess potential bullet dodged and it'll be somebody else's mess to clean up. Oh well. Time to start dredging Kijiji for another opportunity!

Funny enough, the car is *technically* mine as the PO had sent me a fully filled out bill of sale and a copy of the registration signing that I've already paid him in full.

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