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Arglebargle III posted:It's still the craziest loving thing, if you told people terrorists are gonna destroy Miami we would go to forever hell war over it, but tell them a bunch of businessmen are going to destroy Miami and they'll vote for them. Imagine if a foreign country killed even 5% of what the AHCA is going to kill.
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socialsecurity posted:Imagine if a foreign country killed even 5% of what the AHCA is going to kill. Vehicle crashes kill 40,000 people a year in the U.S., but hey that's just the cost of driving, absolutely nothing we can do to help that!
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sitchensis posted:Vehicle crashes kill 40,000 people a year in the U.S., but hey that's just the cost of driving, absolutely nothing we can do to help that! I think self-driving cars are supposed to be much safer.
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Burt Buckle posted:I think self-driving cars are supposed to be much safer. All we have to do is wait several decades, assuming they are ever fully realized in the first place.
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skull mask mcgee posted:All we have to do is wait several decades, assuming they are ever fully realized in the first place. Yeah, you're right. Self-driving cars are still years away from making a significant difference in vehicle related fatalities.
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FourLeaf posted:I knew there was a strain of environmentalism that embraced eugenics but I had no idea that it had become a mainstream view in this thread. It's a thread in a forum full of misanthropic people that instead of embracing libertarianism like 4chan and Reddit, quietly embrace Stalinism.
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Star Man posted:It's a thread in a forum full of misanthropic people that instead of embracing libertarianism like 4chan and Reddit, quietly embrace Stalinism. Ok check it out: I'm not for eugenics BUT its hypocritical to say that communism could work except stalin hosed it up, and then turn around and say that eugenics was proven as evil by hitler. edit: oops I thought this was the Trump thread my bad BUT I'm leaving that comment enjoy. Salt Fish fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Eugenics aren't evil because of Hitler; Hitler was evil because he practiced eugenics.
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Sweden practiced eugenics into the 70's, as a direct continuation of the ideals of racial purity that the Nazis adopted. I think Hitler might have done something more to justify people calling him evil, because no one really seemed to care much about what the Swedes were doing.StabbinHobo posted:net-metering for residential solar is just another subsidy for suburban housing. to hell with it.
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Ny magazine has an article describing where we're heading: The Uninhabitable Earth. Nothing new for people here but perhaps better readable for other people than scientific papers.
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9-Volt Assault posted:Ny magazine has an article describing where we're heading: The Uninhabitable Earth. Nothing new for people here but perhaps better readable for other people than scientific papers. I'm pretty far north living in New Hampshire. Reading stuff like this makes me want to head further north.
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OhFunny posted:I'm pretty far north living in New Hampshire. we're all dead no matter where we live, friend
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Aves Maria! posted:we're all dead no matter where we live, friend I'll cling to whatever driftwood I can find.
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9-Volt Assault posted:Ny magazine has an article describing where we're heading: The Uninhabitable Earth. Nothing new for people here but perhaps better readable for other people than scientific papers. This owns and also makes me want to emigrate to Canada. I wonder where their biggest Arctic port(s) will be?
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9-Volt Assault posted:Ny magazine has an article describing where we're heading: The Uninhabitable Earth. Nothing new for people here but perhaps better readable for other people than scientific papers. Glad the article pointed out the detrimental effects of high CO2 concentration on human cognition, which a few weeks ago posters in this thread were decrying as "not a real problem." 1000ppm by end of century isn't even the worst case scenario, for gently caress's sake.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Glad the article pointed out the detrimental effects of high CO2 concentration on human cognition, which a few weeks ago posters in this thread were decrying as "not a real problem." The something awful climate thread: climate change makes you stupid! 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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https://twitter.com/Independent/status/884298898172510208quote:Canada declares state of emergency in British Columbia as 138 ‘extraordinary’ wildfires spread over province https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/884308235603333121 quote:A red flag warning means that critical fire weather conditions are happening now or imminent, according to the NWS. https://twitter.com/AlexSteffen/status/883410275285647360 https://twitter.com/AlexSteffen/status/883411064188157952 https://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-images-capture-worst-siberian-wildfires-in-10-000-years quote:NASA Images Capture Worst Siberian Wildfires in 10,000 Years The situation is good, and normal. FourLeaf fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Death spiral!
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9-Volt Assault posted:Ny magazine has an article describing where we're heading: The Uninhabitable Earth. Nothing new for people here but perhaps better readable for other people than scientific papers. Interesting article, but seems a bit simplified? At least there's some stuff in that article that some nitpicking denier is sure to try and pick apart in his infowar. Article should probably be the new OP with the title "we are so loving screwed". In a recent letter published in Nature, former Climate bigwig for the UN, Christiana Figueres et al gives us about three years to get our poo poo together. It's well worth a read, it might be possibly less depressing than that NY magazine and has actual science and sources and such behind it. Nature posted:
So, plague or a mid-sized nuclear war v. unilateral action to peak emissions pretty much immediately. With Trump in office, I'd go for nuclear war if I were a betting man. If you need me I'll be in my bunker.
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Nice piece of fish posted:If you need me I'll be in my bunker. I'd rather be at ground zero than having to deal with a post apocalyptic society without my loving medicine. Edit: The alternative is some poor sod running into me while I'm in a nihilistic bloodrage 
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FourLeaf posted:https://twitter.com/Independent/status/884298898172510208 You silly liberal, forest fires have existed for as long as forests have! This is normal!
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Sweden practiced eugenics into the 70's, as a direct continuation of the ideals of racial purity that the Nazis adopted. I think Hitler might have done something more to justify people calling him evil, because no one really seemed to care much about what the Swedes were doing. Yeah and the Nazi's were inspired by the eugenics system the US was practicing before Hitler was on the radar. Sterilized the poo poo out of a bunch of people skull mask mcgee posted:Eugenics aren't evil because of Hitler; Hitler was evil because he practiced eugenics. Nope, eugenics is evil.
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Is there an article that is along the lines of the grist.org article in the old OP, but updated with recent global efforts/projections/data? This is the article I'm referring to: http://grist.org/climate-change/2011-12-05-the-brutal-logic-of-climate-change/ by David Roberts
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:Is there an article that is along the lines of the grist.org article in the old OP, but updated with recent global efforts/projections/data? Updating the OP would only scare people away.
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This is why all those idiots who think humanity can overcome climate change are so foolish, re: that NYT article about rooftop solar. We can't even get *that* going at this stage in the game.
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:Is there an article that is along the lines of the grist.org article in the old OP, but updated with recent global efforts/projections/data? I just read the article and its sequel and they were still very relevant and probably even more worrying to read 7 years later with the knowledge that so little has been done.
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enraged_camel posted:You silly liberal, forest fires have existed for as long as forests have! This is normal! Also as winters get warmer and longer the chances of mass die-off of a lot trees rises because plants need a dormant period or else they just die from lack of rest!
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Between the Russian methane gas bubble theory becoming a reality and the sharp increase in forest fires, I must say the future is quite grim. I'm going to convert to solar (assuming it hasn't been made illegal in my state), get an electric car, and continue to favor political candidates that put climate change at the forefront, but the reality is we are 10, 20, or 100 years too late. We are living through and causing a geological event that will either end our species or form the basis for the religious myths of our descendants.
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After reading the NY Magazine review, can we just change the topic to Climate Change: Human Extinction is Inevitable. Because let's face it - we're hosed. At the rate we're going the extinction of the human race is pretty much inevitable. It's now a case of when. Even grouping together there's only a small chance of reducing emissions and we're all forgetting that doesn't just mean making sure we don't reach a certain threshold, but also maintaining under that threshold (and reducing it), forever. In order to do that we'd have to perform massive amounts of socio-economic changes, some of which would requite drastic measures that will leave most people less well off for entire generations. And that's ignoring the whole idea of grouping together in the first place. The Paris accords are teetering on a knife edge as is and don't really do nearly enough. America has already pulled out because they decided to appoint a literal idiot child as their President, so one of the worlds largest nations can't be provided on to make intelligent decisions anymore. China might not necessarily follow the agreements because their Government is attempting to balance advancement with environmental change. That leaves a smattering of nations that can't do enough without a unified world approach - something that hasn't really been achieved before. Then there's the problem of actually drilling into the public's thick loving skulls that poo poo is bad and is going to get drastically worse. I'd argue the NY Magazine was being timid. Alot of "may happen, could happen, might happen." gently caress that, show the world the cancer they're creating then explain in a decade or two that this will be outside their house. Remove the may haves and go for "It's gonna happen and your bunker isn't going to save you." Frighten everyone into action because that's the only way anyone is going to sit up and go "Oh hang on, maybe this global warming stuff is serious?" It's too late though. I think my friend and I are right when we discussed it a few weeks back. The only way things would change is if something catastrophic happened in the western world that immediately wiped out people dead. If the sun set fire to a state and hundred of thousands of people died in a day maybe then something would change, but currently? We're hosed. We probably deserve to be hosed. I just hope whatever crawls out of the ice age after us is a bit more self aware than us. 
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Even though the NY Mag article is super grim, it still leaves out the fact that CCS is a unicorn-level fantasy and will be for the forseeable future, and has a hilarious and completely unsubstantiated amount of optimism at the end. It's clear that even the author can't fully engage with what this means: stop having kids, disengage from society, and enjoy what's left of Earth's beauty while you still can.
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Don't worry nuclear winter will cancel it out. Seriously according to Wikipedia recent studies say nuclear winter following a US-Russia exchange is -8C for a decade.
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That NYM article was great. It's making the rounds more than most, too. Yeah, it's too optimistic at the end for no good reason, but it doesn't gloss over the major theme of "we're boned".
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WMain00 posted:After reading the NY Magazine review, can we just change the topic to Climate Change: Human Extinction is Inevitable. Because let's face it - we're hosed. At the rate we're going the extinction of the human race is pretty much inevitable. It's now a case of when. Human extinction was always inevitable  hobbesmaster posted:Don't worry nuclear winter will cancel it out. But after the nuclear winter has settled down we'll see a rebound to a degree or so hotter than it is now, as the global dimming effect we're causing with our constant carbon emissions will have been eliminated alongside western civilization.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Human extinction was always inevitable Just launch more nukes.
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hobbesmaster posted:Don't worry nuclear winter will cancel it out. Remember that Simpsons episode where there was some invasive species and they kept talking about bringing in different species to take out the previous species until it ended with... I think gorillas dying in the harsh winter or something like that.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:Climate Change: What is to be Done? History repeats itself in more ways than one, it seems.
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