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How dare you critique cinematography in a film discussion forum
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do you hope someone got fired for that blunder
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Jul 10, 2017 18:55
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The REAL Goobusters posted:you guys must be real fun at parties I'm definitely not
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Jul 10, 2017 18:56
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it's factually true that longer cuts look better, but there's a budget limit and a time limit to what directors can do to get them. it's a bit ironic that the foot scenes in baby driver were all way better than the car scenes (i dont think anyone can deny that hocus pocus was the peak of the movie, unless they're countering with tequila, which was also on foot), but i can forgive that since 1) edgar wright isn't that experienced with car films to begin with, 2) his directorial style overall is still really good, and 3) this movie is also really good
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Jul 10, 2017 19:14
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Serf posted:Exactly. The cut to the car spinning back around shows it with almost no momentum, and then the clip cuts out. I can't remember exactly what happens next, but I reckon its a shot of him accelerating again. It's a shot of him accelerating again, after the car has already turned 90° between cuts to hide just how slow that part of the turn would have had to have been. It then also cuts out him getting around the third truck. It's just a difference in what you look for. I looked at the whole alley, wondered how he'd get through all that, and then they only showed half of it. That half looks great. But I was left wondering what happened to the other half. Some people noticed that, some didn't, either is fine. Colonel Whitey posted:Of course I don't know how it's done, why would I? Because you posted that it wasn't mysterious, which I didn't realize meant you simply didn't give a poo poo. Which is fine, it was just a misreading on my part. Spergatory posted:The shot works. It's fine. I'm sorry it didn't work for you but it clearly works for most people because that exact shot is in the trailer in that exact order and it never fails to get a reaction. Sure, that's fine. Whenever I'm in a theater and the Minions show up in a trailer, people lose their minds, and that doesn't work for me either. I'm not trying to argue that you, Spergatory, secretly didn't like the sequence. Just trying to explain my own reaction. Venuz Patrol posted:it's factually true that longer cuts look better, but there's a budget limit and a time limit to what directors can do to get them. I'm sure some of my reaction is the moving being overhyped for me, and that I'll enjoy it better on a rewatch. And it'll have all the little Edgar Wright details that aren't obvious the first time through. When people were calling it an amazing car movie, it didn't come across as "decent for its budget," but that's fine. Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Jul 10, 2017 19:16
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Edgar Wright movies have a high minimum number of cuts. It's his style. The 3 minute single take coffee run meant he had to squeeze in more cuts in other places and one of them was after the car spun around. Unfortunate, really. But it had to be done.
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Jul 10, 2017 20:27
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The movie is an editing masterpiece but like a 4/10 on the "ridiculous car stunt" scale.
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Jul 10, 2017 20:54
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Unoriginal Name posted:The movie is an editing masterpiece but like a 4/10 on the "ridiculous car stunt" scale. It's no Blues Brothers on that front, that's for sure.
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Jul 10, 2017 21:49
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Krispy Kareem posted:It didn't help that Buddy was killing off qualified crew members for stupid reasons. Spacey had a line about never using the same person twice on a crew except for Baby when he was strong arming him into being a driver again. But then he immediately goes and gets people he's already used for the post office robbery, so... I'm confused. Also I couldn't stop staring at Spacey's awful dye job when he was on screen. I hope it was intentional. Think I'm in the good but not great camp. Fun in the beginning but got messy at the end. I'm a fan of Jon Hamm but was pretty underwhelmed here. Jamie Foxx stole the show. And I know this is a real loving low bar, but it's always nice to see a Theater Movie that's a fresh and closed story instead of being a remake, sequel, or setting up/continuing an extended universe.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:14
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Dinosaurs! posted:Spacey had a line about never using the same person twice on a crew except for Baby when he was strong arming him into being a driver again. But then he immediately goes and gets people he's already used for the post office robbery, so... I'm confused. Also I couldn't stop staring at Spacey's awful dye job when he was on screen. I hope it was intentional. he never uses the same entire crew. recycling individual members is fine in his book
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Jul 10, 2017 22:19
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I suspect that's a way to keep the talent isolated and under his control. Did they use code names? I can't remember if they had code names.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:47
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Krispy Kareem posted:I suspect that's a way to keep the talent isolated and under his control. Yeah, we got the real names for Bats, Darling, Buddy, and Baby (Leon, Monica, Jason, and Miles)I'm sure there's some deeper, Wrightian meaning to those names (beyond the obvious Miles Davis reference) but I dunno what it is.
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Jul 10, 2017 23:00
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I mean, Miles...cars...
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Jul 10, 2017 23:03
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I wonder how many people Spacey cycles in and out of jobs. Depending on how many you do it'd become a huge maths problem to ensure that the same group is never repeated.
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Jul 10, 2017 23:19
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DC Murderverse posted:Yeah, we got the real names for Bats, Darling, Buddy, and Baby (Leon, Monica, Jason, and Miles)I'm sure there's some deeper, Wrightian meaning to those names (beyond the obvious Miles Davis reference) but I dunno what it is. I just assumed Miles was an anagram of Smiel, the German Olympic cyclist from the early 20th century.
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Jul 10, 2017 23:27
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Numlock posted:I saw the Evil Dead remake one row up from some Mom(?) who brought her two 8-10ish kids to see it. The kids to their credit were more confused than anything and they left half way through. I saw The Evil Dead remake in a theater where someone brought a literal baby. It cried several times during the movie, and the mom would leave and come back each time. Who brings an infant to any movie? Also, I never realized this was going to be R-rated (I avoided most of the press for this movie) so the bits of intense violence and f-bombs surprised me. I really enjoyed this overall, not sure where I'd rank it among Wrights other films. I'm one of those people who LOVES Scott Pilgrim and Hot Fuzz, so I certainly wouldn't put it above either of those.
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Jul 11, 2017 00:00
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Spergatory posted:
Just saw the movie today. From what it looked like to me, his hearing had improved at the end. The muffled sound returns to normal as soon as the doctor examines him which to me implied that he eventually received some sort of medical care which helped. Rinaldi fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Jul 11, 2017 04:25
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Steve2911 posted:I wonder how many people Spacey cycles in and out of jobs. Depending on how many you do it'd become a huge maths problem to ensure that the same group is never repeated. Not particularly, just combinatorics. He uses Baby as his only driver, so even if you have, say, a pool of 20 people people to fit into the other three car seats (because everyone refuses to sit in the middle back) you can still manage 1140 heists.
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Jul 11, 2017 04:28
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bewilderment posted:Not particularly, just combinatorics. He uses Baby as his only driver, so even if you have, say, a pool of 20 people people to fit into the other three car seats (because everyone refuses to sit in the middle back) you can still manage 1140 heists. You forgot to account for Darling and Buddy, I don't think they heist without each other.
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Jul 11, 2017 05:16
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How good would a prequel work? Baby had done probably 3 or 4 heists prior to Baby Driver and you could still use all the cool characters from the first movie (except Hat and Bats). The upside - lots more budget for chases. Downside - everyone knows exactly who lives. Coffee And Pie posted:You forgot to account for Darling and Buddy, I don't think they heist without each other. His and Her criminals. Always a pair. Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Jul 11, 2017 16:10
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Krispy Kareem posted:How good would a prequel work? Baby had done probably 3 or 4 heists prior to Baby Driver and you could still use all the cool characters from the first movie (except Hat and Bats). Doc said Baby had been working for him for nearly a decade, didn't he? I think he's done way more than 3 or 4 heists. One of the former getaway drivers Edgar Wright interviewed got away with something like 30 bank robberies before he was caught.
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Jul 11, 2017 16:49
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Hat Thoughts posted:I mean, Miles...cars... After baby gets out of prison "It's not the years honey, it's the milage" . 
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Jul 11, 2017 17:05
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After listening to quite a few interviews, I am coming to the realization that Edgar Wright is sort of, like, sort of, basically, like sort of, sort of like, basically kind of terrible at talking.
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Jul 11, 2017 22:49
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Tarantino is also...alright?...pretty bad....alright?....at talking...alright?
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Jul 11, 2017 22:52
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Spergatory posted:After listening to quite a few interviews, I am coming to the realization that Edgar Wright is sort of, like, sort of, basically, like sort of, sort of like, basically kind of terrible at talking. He'd be pretty ace on your bar trivia team, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8wwAXaSO0o
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Jul 11, 2017 22:55
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Saw it a second time. Still good, but the sound in the cinema really let the film down and the overall product suffers quite a drat bit when that happens. A lot of the musical scenes fell sort of flat, and the gunshots and cars almost entirely drowned out the music.
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Jul 11, 2017 23:51
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Krispy Kareem posted:How good would a prequel work? Baby had done probably 3 or 4 heists prior to Baby Driver and you could still use all the cool characters from the first movie (except Hat and Bats). Apparently Kevin Spacey is pushing for a prequel rather than a sequel, at least.
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Jul 12, 2017 00:37
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cptn_dr posted:Apparently Kevin Spacey is pushing for a prequel rather than a sequel, at least. I don't think corpse with pancaked head is exactly a role Spacey wants to be playing, soooooo
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Jul 12, 2017 00:39
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[quote="“cptn_dr”" post="“474272406”"] Apparently Kevin Spacey is pushing for a prequel rather than a sequel, at least. [/quote] Well duh. Netflix doesn’t pay that much. Our boy Spacey wants to get in on some sequel goodness.
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Jul 12, 2017 01:11
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Steve2911 posted:Saw it a second time. Still good, but the sound in the cinema really let the film down and the overall product suffers quite a drat bit when that happens. A lot of the musical scenes fell sort of flat, and the gunshots and cars almost entirely drowned out the music. I really want this movie on my computer so I can inject that sweet, sweet sound design directly into my ear canal like it was meant to be. 
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Jul 12, 2017 01:38
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I say side-quel. Show us what Doc was getting up to when not delivering heist plans.
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Jul 12, 2017 02:54
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Just two hours of Kevin Spacey hanging out with Killer Mike and Big Boi
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Jul 12, 2017 03:19
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Loved the bit where they force him to play his "was he slow?" tape.
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Jul 12, 2017 04:55
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cptn_dr posted:Just two hours of Kevin Spacey hanging out with Killer Mike and Big Boi I'm in.
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Jul 12, 2017 12:45
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That’s why Doc was taken aback by Baby’s “Was He Slow” mix. Doc’s other job is a music producer.
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Jul 12, 2017 14:19
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Saw this in a surprisingly mixed theater (lot of old people, teenagers, everything) and while walking out didn't hear a single bad word, heard a lot of "wow I didn't think it would be that good". Might be my least favorite Edgar Wright movie, but as a movie in general it's absolutely fantastic and I was surprised how much I ended up liking Baby (and even Buddy and Spacey had great nuance to their characters) The final act was a total shock, especially Spacey actually showing that the real reason he keeps Baby around is that he loves him like a son
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Jul 12, 2017 17:47
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Debbie singing B-A-B-Y when she's first introduced is maybe the nicest sound on the planet.
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Jul 12, 2017 22:59
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Does Edgar Wright realize that in a little over a decade he's going to have to deal with a bunch of angry teenagers who blame him for their idiot parents naming them "Baby" not realizing that they would eventually grow into non-babies?
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Jul 13, 2017 01:54
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Spergatory posted:Does Edgar Wright realize that in a little over a decade he's going to have to deal with a bunch of angry teenagers who blame him for their idiot parents naming them "Baby" not realizing that they would eventually grow into non-babies? I don't think this is gonna be a thing. Shaun of the Dead didn't inspire a wave of Shauns or Eds, and Hot Fuzz didn't inspire a wave of Nicks or Dannies.
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Spergatory posted:Does Edgar Wright realize that in a little over a decade he's going to have to deal with a bunch of angry teenagers who blame him for their idiot parents naming them "Baby" not realizing that they would eventually grow into non-babies? any person serious enough about this movie will name their kid Miles and just call them Baby. Though I do kinda wish his name actually had been Baby. After Jon Hamm says "what are you stupid, you know we don't use our real names" it would make perfect sense for Baby, who really doesn't belong in that world, to have a name that just naturally sounds like a code name.
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