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The argument "it costs more to be poor" is pretty spurious to me; I agree with people struggling to achieve bulk purchase discounts without utilizing credit being a good justification but locationality isn't necessarily an economic factor. Maybe I'm a pedant And I don't give a poo poo about this column advice bit
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You probably heard it on a more agreeable form:quote:The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.
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Kunster posted:You probably heard it on a more agreeable form: I approve of this message
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I've never lived in a major city, yet it's very easy for me to reason out that the person who doesn't own a car, relies on public transportation, and does most of their shopping in relatively small quantities at bodegas spends way too much for poor-quality poo poo, in addition to the increased time cost. That's before you get into the incredible stress that poor hourly-wage workers have to deal with when they need to schedule time off for appointments. (Especially if, again, you rely on public transit to get around.) And the lack of banking services in many inner-city neighbourhoods. I could go on.
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steakmancer posted:The argument "it costs more to be poor" is pretty spurious to me lol what is wrong with you edit: are you not American, by chance? GalacticAcid fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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steakmancer posted:Maybe I'm a pedant hell yeah dude
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Halloween Jack posted:
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steakmancer posted:locationality isn't necessarily an economic factor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert it's very real, just not something you notice unless you're living in one
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Food desert aside, lower income people also tend to not make the most optimal choices regarding nutrition. A lot of nutrition education that we tacitly take advantage of just doesn't exist for a lot of households.
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Lower income people also don't have the luxury of time to make good nutritional choices either a lot of the time.
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And when you're poor there's a million demands on your time. Getting the kids to daycare, commuting between your 2+ jobs that are probably garbage shifts, maybe taking night classes in hopes of getting up at least one rung on the poverty ladder. Even if the fresh produce and lean protein fairy visited you weekly when are you gonna have time and energy to turn that into a meal? On the other hand the value menu in the drive through is cheap, you can pop in on your way between day and night jobs, and it's quick.
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steakmancer posted:The argument "it costs more to be poor" is pretty spurious to me; I agree with people struggling to achieve bulk purchase discounts without utilizing credit being a good justification but locationality isn't necessarily an economic factor. Maybe I'm a pedant Your financial standing directly affects the variety of places where you can live, and by extension the areas surrounding your home. If you can't afford a nice place close to a grocery store or make enough to buy a car, that in turn affects how you get food from where, and how much time that takes.
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https://twitter.com/CrystalPepsi/status/884502820199649280
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It's kinda amazing how well the system that keeps poor people down works when you think about it.
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also being poor sucks
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Kunster posted:You probably heard it on a more agreeable form: Pterry was so great.  e: Huh, did not realize that would be the smiley.
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https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/884484161104486400 https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/884487668532465664 Chelsea noo
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Chelsea's tweets are bad even though she is good.
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GalacticAcid posted:Chelsea's tweets are bad even though she is good. She is every bit as bad as her tweets, friend.
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GalacticAcid posted:Chelsea's tweets are bad even though she is good. Do you really only tip two bucks on an eighteen dollar bill?
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Neon Belly posted:Food desert aside, lower income people also tend to not make the most optimal choices regarding nutrition. A lot of nutrition education that we tacitly take advantage of just doesn't exist for a lot of households. quote:The miner's family spend only tenpence a week on green vegetables and tenpence half-penny on milk (remember that one of them is a child less than three years old), and nothing on fruit; but they spend one and nine on sugar (about eight pounds of sugar, that is) and a shilling on tea...Would it not be better if they spent more money on wholesome things like oranges and wholemeal bread or if they even...saved on fuel and ate their carrots raw? Yes, it would, but the point is that no ordinary human being is ever going to do such a thing. The ordinary human being would sooner starve than live on brown bread and raw carrots. And the peculiar evil is this, that the less money you have, the less inclined you feel to spend it on wholesome food. A millionaire may enjoy breakfasting off orange juice and Ryvita biscuits; an unemployed man doesn't. Here the tendency of which I spoke at the end of the last chapter comes into play.
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Wasn't considering the rural poverse and was focusing on monetary and not time value
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prefect posted:Do you really only tip two bucks on an eighteen dollar bill? no
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Moist von Lipwig posted:Lower income people also don't have the luxury of time to make good nutritional choices either a lot of the time. Time and Energy. Poorer folk tend to have way more draining schedules that don't allow for them to prepare more elaborate and nutricious meals in advance instead of just investing in cheaper and pre-made but high energy ones. One of my older pals did have a sustaining income, but he had to start EBT to even be able to afford ingredients to make healthy food.
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prefect posted:Pterry was so great. 
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Hey reddits here to tell you why Macron's clip about Africa isn't racist https://twitter.com/sotomiru/status/884513919171166212
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Intellectual Apollonian Amber is the reverse side of Drunk Dionysian Amber. You can't have one without the other.
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:She is every bit as bad as her tweets, friend. Incorrect. This is an incorrect opinion.
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Kunster posted:Time and Energy. Poorer folk tend to have way more draining schedules that don't allow for them to prepare more elaborate and nutricious meals in advance instead of just investing in cheaper and pre-made but high energy ones. One of my older pals did have a sustaining income, but he had to start EBT to even be able to afford ingredients to make healthy food.
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Kunster posted:Time and Energy. Poorer folk tend to have way more draining schedules that don't allow for them to prepare more elaborate and nutricious meals in advance instead of just investing in cheaper and pre-made but high energy ones. One of my older pals did have a sustaining income, but he had to start EBT to even be able to afford ingredients to make healthy food. Hell even things like gas. I know from experience. You put 5 maybe 10 dollars in the car for gas it lasts you like 2 days but that's all you had at the time. So now it's two days later and you need to put more gas in.
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There are literally tons of studies showing that the mere status of being poor is loving mentally crushing in a society where worth is tied to income and assets, so yea I'm pretty willing to believe it takes a lot more capital and energy to be poor than to be rich.
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Rated PG-34 posted:Are we talking about beans and rice yet They're really good
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I thought the critism of the existence of ubi making prices for rent and things much higher was stupid since that's the same argument for not upping the minimum wage to a living one (which they endorse). This episode was not great.
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Moist von Lipwig posted:They're really good I could live off of them forever.
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I;m thinking about thos Beans
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PayingForTheView posted:I thought the critism of the existence of ubi making prices for rent and things much higher was stupid since that's the same argument for not upping the minimum wage to a living one (which they endorse). I thought it was solid, there is a huge gulf between libertarian views of ubi and leftist views of it and pretending The Zuck is the latter when you KNOW he's the former is genuinely dangerous. UBI is a great idea but it has to be very carefully done, probably after massive strengthening of safety nets and worker rights stuff. If anything this was a fantastic counter to their episode with the other UBI lady, where she never once acknowledged that there's a grand total of zero places where UBI is actually a livable wage and is constantly used as an excuse to gut the welfare state because gah we're giving the poor checks already what more could they need.
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sexpig by night posted:I thought it was solid, there is a huge gulf between libertarian views of ubi and leftist views of it and pretending The Zuck is the latter when you KNOW he's the former is genuinely dangerous. UBI is a great idea but it has to be very carefully done, probably after massive strengthening of safety nets and worker rights stuff. They never needed an excuse to gut programs, they're going to try to get rid of them as they've been doing regardless if there is a ubi or not. of course it's not the magic bullet, but pushing for it along with decomodification of human rights (such as healthcare, housing, food, etc) seems good. I'd prefer full socialism but whatever moves the needle towards that works for me atm.
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Hell, Marx envisioned Communism as an eventual evolution out of capitalism once the means of production had become so efficient that humans weren't needed to operate them. People imagine it as a bunch of factory workers siezing cotton mills but that's not what Marx had in mind. He knew technological advances would eventually make it unnecessary for most people to work.
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