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business hammocks posted:Contrapoints is having a one-on-one conversation with Laci Green about genderqueer identities and expression on Thursday at some yet to be determined time, if anyone's curious. It's probably going to be on Laci's channel. Why cant people just be polite and respect what gender pronouns people want to be called even if they believe gender is based on biology and not what a person believes what they are?
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Jul 10, 2017 16:03
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business hammocks posted:It's part of a series including Blaire White and some TERF who tells people to kill themselves when they call her a TERF.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:03
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No, another one. I've never heard of her before but she dropped into Contra's twitter to tell a teenager to commit suicide. A cis teenager, even!
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business hammocks posted:Contrapoints is having a one-on-one conversation with Laci Green about genderqueer identities and expression on Thursday at some yet to be determined time, if anyone's curious. It's probably going to be on Laci's channel. I'll watch the replay of this when it goes up, but I do tend to advoid these things. They never end well for either side. Didn't Contra do a stream with White at one point that didn't go well?
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Jul 10, 2017 16:08
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah, it doesn't work on Dork Enlightenment types who hear stories about how garbage Feudalism was and think "ah, better times." I think there's a pretty big divide for these guys between being a peasant who gets to screw his wife without her consent (i.e. the image of Feudalism they have) and a society where they are more equal but actually have to put their shingle out there to get laid. And of course they choose the latter, since apparently having sex is the most important thing in the world that they aren't willing to put any effort into doing. It's also hyper-entertaining that they are also completely in the thrall of the cults of absolute beauty and virginity. Everything I've seen with the man-o-sphere almost makes sex the pathetic thing they have to have-- it's almost treated as a thing you have to do, but only grudgingly. I half think these guys only really want sex as a way to validate their worth.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:10
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Yes. His conversations with Roamingmillennial and some weird quasi-mra catholic went better. The justification is that Laci has an audience that would benefit from hearing an informed voice on the subject and there's nobody else in the series repping a pro-trans or more-than-two perspective.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:11
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business hammocks posted:Yes. His conversations with Roamingmillennial and some weird quasi-mra catholic went better. The justification is that Laci has an audience that would benefit from hearing an informed voice on the subject and there's nobody else in the series repping a pro-trans or more-than-two perspective. The Distributst (the Catholic) has done chats with a lot of people and I get the impression he at least knows some history amd politics and he will also let even Godless Communists speak. MR meanwhile is just a doormat and White is aggrssively uninformed. All that being said, while the "debate" with Blaitr was poo poo show, I saw people say he convinced them and showed them how ignorant Blair was. So some good came of it.
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Voyager I posted:The problem is that withholding your support in this system means you get the greater of two evils instead. Not voting is only a protest vote if you tell people you didn't vote, otherwise no one knows (note to self: make money by selling "I didn't vote stickers" next general election). On the other hand voting for the loser narrows the margin of wining which actually has optics (mandates, blah blah blah, etc).
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The only loving without consent in feudalism these guys will be related to is when the king consummates the marriage as is tradition
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fallenturtle posted:Not voting is only a protest vote if you tell people you didn't vote, otherwise no one knows (note to self: make money by selling "I didn't vote stickers" next general election). On the other hand voting for the loser narrows the margin of wining which actually has optics (mandates, blah blah blah, etc). It also makes the loser work to keep your vote. America politicians like to write off "non voters"
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business hammocks posted:Yes. His conversations with Roamingmillennial and some weird quasi-mra catholic went better. The justification is that Laci has an audience that would benefit from hearing an informed voice on the subject and there's nobody else in the series repping a pro-trans or more-than-two perspective. I hope so. I do agree with Contra that you need to be willing to defend your ideas against people who disagree with you in a civil tone. But that idea hits a wall when you are dealing with people like White and Sargon. They do not give a gently caress about what ever you have to say because their world view is the correct one, how dare you say otherwise. Or worse is guys like Bearing and sides who post on Kiwifarms who find the idea of trans people and not conforming to beauty standards of porn, real or hentai to be funny. After a point, a lot of trans people just go into immediate "gently caress you" mode when people ask them questions.
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business hammocks posted:Do you think she's dog-whistling while giving herself plausible deniability? Her? Yes. Because she loving knows better. Hence my apprehension about giving her the benefit of the doubt.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Why cant people just be polite and respect what gender pronouns people want to be called even if they believe gender is based on biology and not what a person believes what they are? The problems are twofold (with the first point being the most important): 1. Simply expressing that opinion (in a context like this) is pretty hurtful/insulting. A good example is someone who believes something like "black people are naturally less intelligent than white people". Even if they think they're acting polite to them in person, expressing that sort of view is inherently insulting to the group in question. 2. The belief in question that you mentioned is actually a fringe belief, but is often portrayed (like you seem to be portraying it here) as a more mainstream "common sense" idea. Research doesn't really support the idea that gender is just based on biology (in the sense of whether someone is biologically male/female).
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This video is a lot better when you assume he's drinking hot chocolate. Edit: Well, until he's ruins it at the 8 min mark.
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JVNO posted:Then let's talk Laci Green and her disingenuous refusal to acknowledge her new demographic of supporters will abandon her as soon as they realize she's still a 'feminist'. It'll probably end when her relationship with Ray Gun ends.
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Verisimilidude posted:Wait, so is Hbomb a Good Guy? I've been assuming most if not all video game YT personalities are horrible, and I see his name thrown around a lot. He has some very lengthy (and correct) opinions about dark souls but he's a solidly good egg on the politics front.
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fallenturtle posted:This video is a lot better when you assume he's drinking hot chocolate. I can't figure out what he thinks happened in 1965. *SLUUUUURP*
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I can't figure out what he thinks happened in 1965. Start of the veitnam war? The voting rights act? BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Jul 10, 2017 17:52
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BigRed0427 posted:Start of the veitnam war? Or the Voting Rights Act? Or Johnson's Great Society? MLK's Selma march? The Watts Riots? Dylan went electric? There's just no telling.
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BigRed0427 posted:I hope so. Unless White is bullshitting, it seems like she has changed her views when it comes to questioning other trans people's legitimacy after watching that recent Riley video. Her biggest hang up it seems is over whether or not minors should be allowed to take puberty blockers and also the general belief that being trans = suffering and thus it must be eradicated.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I can't figure out what he thinks happened in 1965. Oh good, I'm not the only one. I thought maybe I just didn't pay enough attention to the video, but I don't want to rewatch it. I assumed something civil rights related.
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business hammocks posted:This will always be my favorite political statement on and by the gamer mentality vis a vis politics: Stay edgelord, my friends https://twitter.com/TheOctale/status/884075679972720641
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When she was talking to Contra her big claim was that if there were pills that could eliminate her sense of dysphoria and make her happy with a male body, she would take them. That no such pills exist or indeed seem possible at all gave her no trouble, and she argued consistently as if the question regarding trans issues was one of either transitioning or taking an imaginary science-fictional pill that does not exist and never could exist.
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NikkolasKing posted:Got some more #fakenews for you guys This is something that's been on my mind the past few days, mainly thinking about why there are so many people doing "rational" videos like Sargon and why there don't seem to be as many people making videos rebutting them and putting forward more leftist views. Hbomberguy and Shaun and Jen are great, but they're definitely in a minority when it comes to videos directly talking about these ideas. The thing that made me realize what's going on was a random vlogbrothers video when I realized that the channels and groups and communities that celebrate more leftist ideas are just... doing that. They're not spending time directly refuting Carlgon because they're using their time attempting to just make the world a better place directly. It made me feel a lot better about it when I realized that Carlgon and his ilk pretty much just sit in a corner pulling off sick nasty burns on people who mostly just don't give a poo poo that they even exist. The only relevance they have is in being so evil in harassment of a specific few people they've decided are Satan, and if Anita's harassment had never happened no one would know who Carlgon even is.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:This is something that's been on my mind the past few days, mainly thinking about why there are so many people doing "rational" videos like Sargon and why there don't seem to be as many people making videos rebutting them and putting forward more leftist views. Hbomberguy and Shaun and Jen are great, but they're definitely in a minority when it comes to videos directly talking about these ideas. You'll also notice that a lot of "rationalist" videos are the definition of  . They really don't have to do much other than rant about something and just let that sweet sweet alt-right cash roll in.It's also why they fight so drat hard to stay relevant because once you've made a name for yourself being an Internet scumbag, it's hard to find a real job afterward.
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NikkolasKing posted:Got some more #fakenews for you guys no ok ok yes who?
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I also want to crosspost this amazing post about Sargon's petition. It's from reddit, but the dude deserved his gold:quote:Internet ideologues and their sycophants will never get a "conversation" with academics. Confronted with their nonsense, the only thing an academic can do is point out how they are wrong, and stop talking with them when it becomes evident that they have no intention of listening. A debate presupposes two at least remotely similarly sophisticated and defensible positions. There can be no debate between a geologist and the guy asserting igneous rocks are bullshit. The latter can listen and learn, or they can stop wasting our time, but it's absurd to even contemplate that there can be a legitimate "debate" between us. Your views are not tennable and even if we reconstruct them in order to make them tennable (that is, if we do your work) they will remain fairly unnuanced. That's just all there is to this. No amount of shouting and stomping your feet down will make us take you seriously because you are simply incapable of advancing any argument worth taking seriously, and that's fully and exhaustively on you, on your intellectual laziness. You could read a book, but you choose not to. You could ask for recommendations in any of the academic subreddits, you could ask for help understanding the material, there, too. But you choose not to. That's all well and good, but you can not, in turn, expect us to think highly of you. and from the same thread quote:
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:This is something that's been on my mind the past few days, mainly thinking about why there are so many people doing "rational" videos like Sargon and why there don't seem to be as many people making videos rebutting them and putting forward more leftist views. Hbomberguy and Shaun and Jen are great, but they're definitely in a minority when it comes to videos directly talking about these ideas. I think it's mostly that left-leaning people and social justice proponents tend to get their politically-oriented media through different mediums than Youtube. Also, if someone is just "against the alt-right", the mainstream media basically has that covered (while the alt-right doesn't have much presence in newspapers or television).
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Ytlaya posted:I think it's mostly that left-leaning people and social justice proponents tend to get their politically-oriented media through different mediums than Youtube. Also, if someone is just "against the alt-right", the mainstream media basically has that covered (while the alt-right doesn't have much presence in newspapers or television). Yes lets all trust the mainstream media....
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Yes lets all trust the mainstream media.... What, when did I say anything about the mainstream media being good? I was just making the point that alt-righters have no choice but to resort to places like Youtube to enjoy an echo chamber.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Yes lets all trust the mainstream media.... have you ever posted and not been insufferable?
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Verisimilidude posted:Wait, so is Hbomb a Good Guy? I've been assuming most if not all video game YT personalities are horrible, and I see his name thrown around a lot. I tend not to agree with his takes on video games (except that we agree that Bloodborne is a masterpiece), but yeah, he's pretty good and honestly more of his videos are about making fun of the alt-right/MRAs than video games anyway. Mark Brown is also a good video game YouTuber who mostly does in-depth videos on game design.
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SSNeoman posted:I also want to crosspost this amazing post about Sargon's petition. It's from reddit, but the dude deserved his gold:  Goddamn that was some hard dunking.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Yes lets all trust the mainstream media.... Did you actually read the post or just see the word "mainstream" and your brain went into poo poo posting autopilot?
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Who What Now posted:Did you actually read the post or just see the word "mainstream" and your brain went into poo poo posting autopilot? shitposting auto pilot (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ytlaya posted:I think it's mostly that left-leaning people and social justice proponents tend to get their politically-oriented media through different mediums than Youtube. Also, if someone is just "against the alt-right", the mainstream media basically has that covered (while the alt-right doesn't have much presence in newspapers or television). Also, I'm not sure if it's this or if it's about someone sitting down to think about what kind of youtube channel they want to make, and instead of even thinking of carlgon, they decide they want their youtube channel to actually make the world a better place in some fashion, either by educating people or helping to create events for people to come together and accomplish things, and the thought never crosses their mind to just make videos yelling at dumb people, but Carlgon and the septic rationals all decided they needed to make videos screaming about how people are WRONG and that this was a good use of their time. Take something like the vlogbrothers, although their channel kind of just happened out of experimentation, but outside of the occasional one off rant about people saying science is wrong, most of what they produce is either education or attempting to put together communities and use that community to make the world a better place with things like project for awesome. It's not that leftist idea videos aren't being made, it's that none of them who are doing it even acknowledge that carlgon exists because it'd be a waste of time. Anita Sarkeesian didn't start off with "These assholes are WRONG about EVERYTHING." She started off with "wow, there's not a lot of easily accessible ideas about this one specific area, feminism and video games and comics, and I'm going to make a video series about this specific thing" and not "those specific people" because the point isn't to call other people out, it's to educate and hopefully someone who genuinely just doesn't know about this stuff or has never thought of it can have an "Oh, I get it now" moment.
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