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Hedenius posted:Where have you been denied a hotel room because you're a foreigner? Haven't heard of that happening in like ten years. I've had that happen a ton of times. Hell, just go on CTrip and check the hotels, they'll usually list whether they can accept foreigners.
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Haier posted:It's not about the hotel rooms (yes, foreigners still get denied, a shock). I'm talking about immigration and starting a new life in a new country, not the customs counter. The article I posted was for Chinese on green cards and visas trying to remain living and working in the US, or become citizens (or hope they can get one of these things done). People can still immigrate to the US, which does have a functional immigration system and, once in process, green cards aren't too difficult if the boxes are checked. People can go to the US, live, work, and become a citizen after X amount of time and paying fees. They can buy a house and land as foreigners, have anchor babies, and spend their money as they see fit. B. Everyone know that you basically can't become a Chinese citizen if you're not born there and I really can't imagine any European wanting to be one. It's just that these everything about living and working in China is generally much smoother than in the US these days. Especially for some of my friends who where born in Iran or Iraq.
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# ? Jul 11, 2017 11:09 |
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Paul Zimmerman is a former Dutchman who has Chinese nationality as a resident of Hong Kong.
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Jeoh posted:Paul Zimmerman is a former Dutchman who has Chinese nationality as a resident of Hong Kong.
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Hedenius posted:香港不是中国 釣魚臺是香港的 You need permanent residency in HK and Chinese citizenship to get a HK passport. What, do you think he magically got a BN(O) passport? vanity slug fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Haier posted:Haierfternoon: So you can't spend an hour eating hotpot, but Saizeriya (lol) is a-okay. Sorry to break this to you man, but you got some poo poo food opinions.
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Stringent posted:So you can't spend an hour eating hotpot, but Saizeriya (lol) is a-okay. Gonna down a few bags of half and half before devouring this cucumber salad with raw tomato and mayo. Chinese food is bad, though!!
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Hedenius posted:A. Hotels. Where have you been denied a room? I'm actually curious about that. Most hotels/guesthouses can't legally accept foreigners, I think they need some kind of special certification/registration system for it. Depending on how afraid they're of the local police they can still accept you for shorter stays with some special fiddling. Usually even smaller cities have at least one government owned foreigner-capable hotel
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What's wrong with raw tomato?
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Haier posted:OMG, all that Its kinda cool seeing a Chinese person actually help another one. You'd figure the checkout lady would have pushed the customer away to get pummeled by bottles since she didnt want to share the shelter under the counter but she pulls them down there.
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You can tell she is confused and unsettled that the foreigner wants to take a picture with her instead of the other way around.
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Vesi posted:Most hotels/guesthouses can't legally accept foreigners, I think they need some kind of special certification/registration system for it. Depending on how afraid they're of the local police they can still accept you for shorter stays with some special fiddling.
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Hedenius posted:A. Hotels. Where have you been denied a room? I'm actually curious about that. My boss has been wanting to travel her her family and take me along, and I told her to call the hotels first and ask if I was allowed, and they were either clueless or just said no. I think it's hilarious you refuse to believe it happens. Go on r/China and it comes up regularly as a complaint. I also had one that wouldn't let me pass the lobby without registering me, which is the opposite problem. I just wanted to go see a friend and they wouldn't even let me in the building without wanting to take my passport from me. I refused and didn't go. And it seems you're talking about something entirely different on the immigration thing, so I will let you go ahead with that. Sure, China visas are easy for short-term working and visiting, but that's all, and illegally you can do just about anything here anyway. Once people marry locals and start having kids they realize how perilous it is to live here as a temporary person. Stringent posted:So you can't spend an hour eating hotpot, but Saizeriya (lol) is a-okay. So what if I go get some pizza a couple blocks away on a work day to spend my lunch hour calmly instead of cooking at home. What's the big deal? WarpedNaba posted:What's wrong with raw tomato?
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# ? Jul 11, 2017 12:00 |
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This reminds me of that article about fast food places having their ice more dirty than their toilets. OMG
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Hedenius posted:But most places do these days as far as I know. I have a bunch of friends who have traveled all over China and have never had a problem with this. That's why I'm interested to know where it happened. I know it's a thing and it happened to me when I was with my wife in some backwater shithole. But that was ten years ago and we just literally went around the corner to another hotel. Maybe its a bigger problem if you're an American citizen? Maybe they used a foreign website like agoda that have only the foreigner capable hotels listed? If you use a chinese website or just walk around in an area you'll see lots of (usually a lot cheaper) options that aren't available to you, especially in a non-touristy city
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https://twitter.com/meghara/status/884644098761646083
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Vesi posted:Maybe they used a foreign website like agoda that have only the foreigner capable hotels listed? This just reminds me that when I arrived to China this time (in the year of our Lord 2016), I was forcibly evicted by the police after a couple days because "We don't want foreigners living in this area." Hotel registration: India has the same rules about scanning/copying passports, and also has a long history of "chabuduo," but it can sometimes be very passive-aggressive rather than simple ignorance. A long time ago my dad and I were taking a trip together and stopped in this nice hotel he'd been to before. We arrived at about 7pm. The host man said he needed to copy our passports and he will return them to our room shortly. Normally we wouldn't agree to this, but my dad has stayed there several times and met the owner, so he felt it was safe. It's about 11pm and my dad realizes we never got our passports back. We go down to the lobby and the front-desk guy is sleeping in his chair. My dad shook him. Dad: "Hey, did you copy our passports? We want them back." Guy: "No no, I'll do it tomorrow." Dad: "Ok, give us our passports back and we'll do it in the morning." Guy: "No, we must copy them first." Dad: "Ok, copy them now and give them back to us." Guy: "I cannot, saar. The printer is broken. We will fix it in the morning." Dad: "Give us our passports, we can talk about this in the morning." Guy: "But saar, we cannot. We must copy them first!" Dad: "Fix the printer and copy them." Guy: "In the morning!!" So my dad sits down on the couch, and I sit next to him. The guy is trying to fall back asleep, but realizes this goras are going to stare at him until he does something." Guy: "Please, come back tomorrow. It is late. We cannot do anything." Dad: "If you give us our passports we will go. You have met me several times, you know I am fine. I already paid you cash." Guy: "I cannot!" Dad: "Just do it." Guy: "SAAR!" Dad: "Don't gently caress around with me. No more of this bullshit. Where are our passports?" Guy: "PLEASE!" Dad: "NO!" The guy stands up and lets out the loudest, longest, angriest sigh. He opens a wood desk drawer and pulls out our passports along with a paan packet. He empties it into his mouth, and then bends over and plugs in the Xerox machine. It whirs to life and he slaps our passports onto the glass. Two minutes later he had his copies, and hands our documents back to us. My dad takes them and says "I knew you were bullshitting us." The guy did the dismissive Indian hand-brush wave and sat back in his chair without any more words. Her comment below is "TBH Americans could use this too." Because it appears she is an Indian citizen, the amount of time I have had creepshots of me or my face, or grabbed into a selfie by Indian men (as a dude), or been pestered to have photos taken has been on a level China would never have enough face to participate in. Haier fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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I happened to walk by a TV today that had the CCTV news channel on, and they were reporting on Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting with the Russians to get dirt on Hillary during the campaign. I was amused to note the crawler at the bottom referred to him as "小特朗普", or literally "Little Trump".
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Do they take your name and address every time you go to a restaurant in China or is that just an Indian thing? Also, why? It boggles the mind
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You can talk a lot of poo poo about the failures of American immigration processes and especially the politics around it. I mean it for real sucks. But there is an actual path to lawfully moving here, lawfully working here, and becoming a citizen. Lots of places, China included, does not want a foreigner to legally naturalize. It's very evident by how god drat impossible it is. Europe is insanely bad about this as well. Anywhere that requires a blood relation to a current citizen, or serving in the foreign legion, or being so god damned valuable that they'd be stupid to not give you citizenship if you want it. The developing world gladly gives out shady visas for stupid jobs because speaking english is important enough for the time being, but as a working class American, I am unlikely to ever become a swede, or move anywhere I could envision a better life for myself. I've looked seriously at emigration and leaving the country because i'm an idiot, and nobody even gives you a shot at waiting years and jumping through bureaucratic nightmare. Most places are "get a sponsorship for a job you'll never be qualified for, marry one of us and we'll think about it, or bribe the right people, maybe do all three if you can." America was built on the backs of slaves, indentured servants, and underpaid immigrants, so there is a real historic and arguably current desire for immigrants, even if our politics make it seem one way, the behavior of the businesses who write our politicians' checks says a hell of a lot more about the reality of things. Undocumented labor is cheap. documented uneducated labor is still cheaper than a third generation citizen with a diploma or two. I dated a girl from Belarus in highschool and i remember the day she became a citizen, because her story and path to citizenship, if reversed, would have gotten her and her family laughed out of many a European embassy, home country included after the fall of the iron curtain. Point is, china has no business whining about american immigration and naturalization, and neither does like, most of Europe. Don't most nations nations not have jus soli citizenship? So, you have multiple generations of migrants who might as well be stateless because the paths to citizenship are priced way the gently caress out of what's humanly possible for them. Probably makes a 15 year wait and re-filing lost paperwork to live in a country as lovely as the US seem like a real god drat opportunity to some people.
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Nanomashoes posted:Can someone link the Levon Wei post of a young man enjoying his day on the Chinese Diaoyu islands when an elder accosts him to tell him of a very old country called "america" that once did china a great favor by nuking japan and then he has to go play dota. quote:Levon woked up one day atop of China's Diaoyu Island ,which everyone always know have always belong China over 5 000 year .Well ,anyway , Levon wers the Chinese citizen belong the Diaoyu island chain province , and he already live there long time ,so this weren't some strange thing for he wake up here .Was just the every day life .
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Jel Shaker posted:Do they take your name and address every time you go to a restaurant in China or is that just an Indian thing? Also, why? It boggles the mind Nope. Translations if you're interested 1 - Don't bear your chest & back in public spaces 2 - Don't graffiti/etch cultural relics 3 - Don't force "foreign guests" into group photos 4 - Respect rules 5 - Queue in an orderly fashion. Don't cut in line. (I have to assume the second part, can't make the second-to-last character, looks like 黄 (yellow) which doesn't really make sense) 6 - Cultural taboos - do not offend.
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Haier posted:Haierfternoon: You have the right idea. The food you pictured sounds a lot more palatable than greasy noodles and such.
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Steakandchips posted:You have the right idea. The food you pictured sounds a lot more palatable than greasy noodles and such. A+ post/username/avatar combo
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Steakandchips posted:You have the right idea. The food you pictured sounds a lot more palatable than greasy noodles and such. Especially the microwaved fries and pizza. Gotta eat right to stay right you know.
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basic hitler posted:You can talk a lot of poo poo about the failures of American immigration processes and especially the politics around it. I mean it for real sucks. But there is an actual path to lawfully moving here, lawfully working here, and becoming a citizen. Lots of places, China included, does not want a foreigner to legally naturalize. It's very evident by how god drat impossible it is. Europe is insanely bad about this as well. Anywhere that requires a blood relation to a current citizen, or serving in the foreign legion, or being so god damned valuable that they'd be stupid to not give you citizenship if you want it. The developing world gladly gives out shady visas for stupid jobs because speaking english is important enough for the time being, but as a working class American, I am unlikely to ever become a swede, or move anywhere I could envision a better life for myself. I've looked seriously at emigration and leaving the country because i'm an idiot, and nobody even gives you a shot at waiting years and jumping through bureaucratic nightmare. Most places are "get a sponsorship for a job you'll never be qualified for, marry one of us and we'll think about it, or bribe the right people, maybe do all three if you can." I didn't read a loving word of this.
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Her twitter blurb "Reporting across Asia for @BuzzFeedWorld, ex-@Reuters political correspondent in Beijing " says it all.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-idUSKBN19W0V6?utm_source=34553&utm_medium=partnerquote:China says 'China responsibility theory' on North Korea has to stop Haier fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Ewan posted:Nope. How are the white people "foreign guests" if the Chinese are visiting the foreigners' countries? Great read. Stringent posted:I didn't read a loving word of this. America bad, do you know?
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Just typing "china" into twitter shows so much. Like this sad story: http://abuad.edu.ng/press-release-14-abuad-students-leave-for-china/ quote:The flourishing relationship between Afe Babalola University, Ado-Ekiti (ABUAD), and China, the world fastest economy in the world, has hit the fast lane as 14 students of the university travelled to China yesterday (July 4) on a three-week scholarship to sharpen their proficiency in Chinese language and culture.
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Stringent posted:I didn't read a loving word of this. Congratulations on qualifying for the US citizenship! If you are already a citizen, keep on truckin'.
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Jeoh posted:Paul Zimmerman is a former Dutchman who has Chinese nationality as a resident of Hong Kong. Zimmerman is a loving local hero though He renounced being Dutch so he could get elected to the neighbourhood council and actually try to get the government to give a poo poo about his district Mike Rowse is a shithead who did it to stay in with the Beijing Massive after 1997
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Hedenius posted:As a European I'll take the Chinese immigration system system over the US one any day. There is no Chinese immigration system to take. It doesn't exist. Maybe 2000 permanent residency visas have been granted in the last twenty years. Hedenius posted:Where have you been denied a hotel room because you're a foreigner? Haven't heard of that happening in like ten years. Xiamen 18 months ago. Our original hotel booking refused us, once the receptionist saw I was a foreigner. The next four places on the same street all said they didn't take foreigners.
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nickmeister posted:How are the white people "foreign guests" if the Chinese are visiting the foreigners' countries? Anyone who is not Chinese is a foreigner. It does not matter if it's Chinese in another country, the people who live there are foreigners. When you call them on that bullshit 'laowai!!!' they will look confused then act embarrassed (maybe) then go right back to using the word.
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It's just a linguistic and cultural thing that in China the word for foreigner is absolute, not relative. Anyone who isn't chinese is foreign, it's as simple as that. Chinese can never be foreign because they are Chinese, which is by definition not foreign.
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basic hitler posted:You can talk a lot of poo poo about the failures of American immigration processes and especially the politics around it. I mean it for real sucks. But there is an actual path to lawfully moving here, lawfully working here, and becoming a citizen. Lots of places, China included, does not want a foreigner to legally naturalize. It's very evident by how god drat impossible it is. Europe is insanely bad about this as well. Anywhere that requires a blood relation to a current citizen, or serving in the foreign legion, or being so god damned valuable that they'd be stupid to not give you citizenship if you want it. The developing world gladly gives out shady visas for stupid jobs because speaking english is important enough for the time being, but as a working class American, I am unlikely to ever become a swede, or move anywhere I could envision a better life for myself. I've looked seriously at emigration and leaving the country because i'm an idiot, and nobody even gives you a shot at waiting years and jumping through bureaucratic nightmare. Most places are "get a sponsorship for a job you'll never be qualified for, marry one of us and we'll think about it, or bribe the right people, maybe do all three if you can." this is a good post to quote when people say "why are you an expat but I am an immigrant "
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Haier posted:Hotel registration: I took a break from lurking to express how loving second hand angry this made me. German bureaucracy can be a bitch sometimes but this takes the naan.
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Haier posted:Just typing "china" into twitter shows so much. Like this sad story: Sprint or endurance?
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wide stance posted:
Endurance but it's running like a sprint
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