Hedenius posted:

Where have you been denied a hotel room because you're a foreigner? Haven't heard of that happening in like ten years.

Haier posted:

It's not about the hotel rooms (yes, foreigners still get denied, a shock). I'm talking about immigration and starting a new life in a new country, not the customs counter. The article I posted was for Chinese on green cards and visas trying to remain living and working in the US, or become citizens (or hope they can get one of these things done). People can still immigrate to the US, which does have a functional immigration system and, once in process, green cards aren't too difficult if the boxes are checked. People can go to the US, live, work, and become a citizen after X amount of time and paying fees. They can buy a house and land as foreigners, have anchor babies, and spend their money as they see fit.
Can any outsider coming to China do that? No.

Jeoh posted:

Paul Zimmerman is a former Dutchman who has Chinese nationality as a resident of Hong Kong.

Hedenius posted:

香港不是中国

Haier posted:

Haierfternoon:

As a result, for the past month I have come to rely on Saizeriya/Saliya as my go-to garbage "I don't want to cook, but I sure as hell don't want Chinese food" place. There's one near me and I usually sit in same table every time and take a long lunch break from work. I listen to my paranormal podcasts and zone out, sipping hot milk and coffee and spending 80 minutes to eat what's in the photo. It's become kind of a fond Pavlovian memory now, and I almost don't even want to listen to these radio shows unless there is a matcha milk tea and pizza in front of me.

Stringent posted:

So you can't spend an hour eating hotpot, but Saizeriya (lol) is a-okay.

Sorry to break this to you man, but you got some poo poo food opinions.

Hedenius posted:

A. Hotels. Where have you been denied a room? I'm actually curious about that.

Haier posted:

OMG, all that gasoline Chinese alcohol!
http://i.imgur.com/A2rd5Nl.gifv

Edit: I'm the glorious shower of cigarettes to calm and cool the nerves during these scary times.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Vesi posted:

Most hotels/guesthouses can't legally accept foreigners, I think they need some kind of special certification/registration system for it. Depending on how afraid they're of the local police they can still accept you for shorter stays with some special fiddling.

Usually even smaller cities have at least one government owned foreigner-capable hotel

Hedenius posted:

A. Hotels. Where have you been denied a room? I'm actually curious about that.

Stringent posted:

So you can't spend an hour eating hotpot, but Saizeriya (lol) is a-okay.

Sorry to break this to you man, but you got some poo poo food opinions.

WarpedNaba posted:

What's wrong with raw tomato?

Jeoh posted:

Hedenius posted:

But most places do these days as far as I know. I have a bunch of friends who have traveled all over China and have never had a problem with this. That's why I'm interested to know where it happened. I know it's a thing and it happened to me when I was with my wife in some backwater shithole. But that was ten years ago and we just literally went around the corner to another hotel. Maybe its a bigger problem if you're an American citizen?

Vesi posted:

Maybe they used a foreign website like agoda that have only the foreigner capable hotels listed?

If you use a chinese website or just walk around in an area you'll see lots of (usually a lot cheaper) options that aren't available to you, especially in a non-touristy city

Imperialist Dog posted:

https://twitter.com/meghara/status/884644098761646083

Nanomashoes posted:

Can someone link the Levon Wei post of a young man enjoying his day on the Chinese Diaoyu islands when an elder accosts him to tell him of a very old country called "america" that once did china a great favor by nuking japan and then he has to go play dota.

quote:

Levon woked up one day atop of China's Diaoyu Island ,which everyone always know have always belong China over 5 000 year .Well ,anyway , Levon wers the Chinese citizen belong the Diaoyu island chain province , and he already live there long time ,so this weren't some strange thing for he wake up here .Was just the every day life .

He wash the face ,wear the clothes ,and so on ,after this he go outside buy some breakfurst .Because Diaoyu Island Youtiao stall sell South China Sea most famours Youtiao ,second-mos famours <<Doujiang>> ,so Levon go there .Of course he order Youtiao and Doujiang . Anyway ,while he eating ,he look first the North East ,feel cool breeze of sea wind across his face ,make his cool looking hair go across face like in one of the famours Chinese cartoon series that everyone in western country love so much ,wear costume play dress up like ,and so on .

A old man ,very very old ,ask him can have a piece his Youtiao, and Levon say <<ya ,of course >> break the piece off his Youtiao give old man .Old man smile and take the piece ,and maybe he gonna get own youtiao later ,but it don't matter to Levon ,because socialism with the chinese characteristic have become so strong ,so effective ,that actually all the foodses on Diaoyu island dont cost any money .Everyone can eat for free ,so everyone share the food just like Levon share it with old man ,and some people might mistakenly think that if all thing dont need money ,then sharing dont have some advantage .But no ,it wrong ,because Levon show he the generous guy ,so the old man wanna sit with him and have a chat .

Old man look Levon in the eye ,and even though he eating the youtiao ,which wers so delicious ,but old man's eye become so serious ,give Levon a bit of shock .Old man take those serieous eye and cast them like some fishing pool --which the Diaoyu island name for --to the North East direction ,he put those eye toward sea and say:

<<You know America ?>>

<<What that>> Ask Levon .

<<Well ,>>Old man say <<It one of western country ,not very powerful no more, but in fact ,during second world war ,just before China become greatest country in world ,America do one thing help us so much .>>

Levon not very interest the history ,think it very boring ,he rather play DOTA 2 ,which made by big Chinese game company ,or play he phone and so on .But because old man seem nice ,so Levon keep talking with him for make him feel some happiness in the daily life .

Levon say ,<<How they help us ?>>

Old man smile ,the smile style that only the old man can have ,hide some kind of knowledges or wisdoms that come wtih many year ,then he say << They destroy our enemy .>>

Levon dont know what's meaning ,but he don't wanna embarrass self ,so he just nod head and look his Doujiang .

<< Do you know what happen in Nanjing ?>> Old man ask .

<< No>>, say Levon.

<< Well ,it wers so bad ,in fact .But since you the young post-90s boy ,so you can forget it .If our enemy still exist ,well ,then you gotta remember what happen ,but because they gone ,so you can forget it .>>

<<Okay ,>>Levon say ,<<Although I don't know what even happen ,but I just gonna forget it .>>

Old man smile again ,ah ,that smile ,Levon kind of want to know some thing about the history ,just so he can smile so mysterious ,give girl around he the deep impression .Still ,Levon decide not say anything ,just respect old man with own silence .

Old man finally say ,and Levon see in the face that old man gonna leave world soon ,<< If enemy wers still here ,well ,you probably not even can be born here on this island .Maybe war would be fight here in these day ,in fact .>>

<<Oh, >> say Levon <<well ,I not born here .I not the local boy >>.

<<Where you born then ,>> ask Old man .

<<Chairman Mao City >> say Levon ,<<In Taiwan province .>>

The old man ,he smile one more time ,and Levon really dont know why ,but he DOTA2 team mate give him the SMS message on phone ,say they need the roam support ,so he say bye the old man ,go play some game ,appreciate live on the China's Diaoyu Island .

Jel Shaker posted:

Do they take your name and address every time you go to a restaurant in China or is that just an Indian thing? Also, why? It boggles the mind

Imperialist Dog posted:

https://twitter.com/meghara/status/884644098761646083

Haier posted:

Haierfternoon:
I usually cook at home, but some days I don't want to and I go out to buy food. I realized I have been here 11 months already and will be buying my air tickets this week for my possible forever-departure from China. It's pretty exciting. At the same time, I am so drat tired of Chinese food.

As a result, for the past month I have come to rely on Saizeriya/Saliya as my go-to garbage "I don't want to cook, but I sure as hell don't want Chinese food" place. There's one near me and I usually sit in same table every time and take a long lunch break from work. I listen to my paranormal podcasts and zone out, sipping hot milk and coffee and spending 80 minutes to eat what's in the photo. It's become kind of a fond Pavlovian memory now, and I almost don't even want to listen to these radio shows unless there is a matcha milk tea and pizza in front of me.



Pictured cost me 52 RMB, or $7.65 USD. I know this stuff is basically fast food, but a big meal there still leaves me nowhere near as over-salted or bad feeling as a normal-sized bowl of noodles does (which tend to contain three days RDA of sodium in them). It's a blessing to taste melted cheese.

Steakandchips posted:

You have the right idea. The food you pictured sounds a lot more palatable than greasy noodles and such.

Steakandchips posted:

You have the right idea. The food you pictured sounds a lot more palatable than greasy noodles and such.

basic hitler posted:

You can talk a lot of poo poo about the failures of American immigration processes and especially the politics around it. I mean it for real sucks. But there is an actual path to lawfully moving here, lawfully working here, and becoming a citizen. Lots of places, China included, does not want a foreigner to legally naturalize. It's very evident by how god drat impossible it is. Europe is insanely bad about this as well. Anywhere that requires a blood relation to a current citizen, or serving in the foreign legion, or being so god damned valuable that they'd be stupid to not give you citizenship if you want it. The developing world gladly gives out shady visas for stupid jobs because speaking english is important enough for the time being, but as a working class American, I am unlikely to ever become a swede, or move anywhere I could envision a better life for myself. I've looked seriously at emigration and leaving the country because i'm an idiot, and nobody even gives you a shot at waiting years and jumping through bureaucratic nightmare. Most places are "get a sponsorship for a job you'll never be qualified for, marry one of us and we'll think about it, or bribe the right people, maybe do all three if you can."

America was built on the backs of slaves, indentured servants, and underpaid immigrants, so there is a real historic and arguably current desire for immigrants, even if our politics make it seem one way, the behavior of the businesses who write our politicians' checks says a hell of a lot more about the reality of things. Undocumented labor is cheap. documented uneducated labor is still cheaper than a third generation citizen with a diploma or two. I dated a girl from Belarus in highschool and i remember the day she became a citizen, because her story and path to citizenship, if reversed, would have gotten her and her family laughed out of many a European embassy, home country included after the fall of the iron curtain.

Point is, china has no business whining about american immigration and naturalization, and neither does like, most of Europe. Don't most nations nations not have jus soli citizenship? So, you have multiple generations of migrants who might as well be stateless because the paths to citizenship are priced way the gently caress out of what's humanly possible for them.

Probably makes a 15 year wait and re-filing lost paperwork to live in a country as lovely as the US seem like a real god drat opportunity to some people.

Imperialist Dog posted:

https://twitter.com/meghara/status/884644098761646083

quote:

China says 'China responsibility theory' on North Korea has to stop
Asked about calls from the United States, Japan and others for China to put more pressure on North Korea, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said it was not China ratcheting up tension and the key to a resolution did not lie with Beijing.

"Recently, certain people, talking about the Korean peninsula nuclear issue, have been exaggerating and giving prominence to the so-called 'China responsibility theory,'" Geng told a daily news briefing, without naming any parties.

"I think this either shows lack of a full, correct knowledge of the issue, or there are ulterior motives for it, trying to shift responsibility," he added.

China has been making unremitting efforts and has played a constructive role, but all parties have to meet each other half way, Geng said.

"Asking others to do work, but doing nothing themselves is not OK," he added. "Being stabbed in the back is really not OK."

While China has been angered by North Korea's repeated nuclear and missile tests, it also blames the United States and South Korea for worsening tension with their military exercises.

Ewan posted:

Nope.

Translations if you're interested
1 - Don't bear your chest & back in public spaces
2 - Don't graffiti/etch cultural relics
3 - Don't force "foreign guests" into group photos
4 - Respect rules
5 - Queue in an orderly fashion. Don't cut in line. (I have to assume the second part, can't make the second-to-last character, looks like 黄 (yellow) which doesn't really make sense)
6 - Cultural taboos - do not offend.

big time bisexual posted:

Stringent posted:

I didn't read a loving word of this.

quote:

The flourishing relationship between Afe Babalola University, Ado-Ekiti (ABUAD), and China, the world fastest economy in the world, has hit the fast lane as 14 students of the university travelled to China yesterday (July 4) on a three-week scholarship to sharpen their proficiency in Chinese language and culture.

Stringent posted:

I didn't read a loving word of this.

Jeoh posted:

Paul Zimmerman is a former Dutchman who has Chinese nationality as a resident of Hong Kong.

Hedenius posted:

As a European I'll take the Chinese immigration system system over the US one any day.

Hedenius posted:

Where have you been denied a hotel room because you're a foreigner? Haven't heard of that happening in like ten years.

nickmeister posted:

How are the white people "foreign guests" if the Chinese are visiting the foreigners' countries?

basic hitler posted:

You can talk a lot of poo poo about the failures of American immigration processes and especially the politics around it. I mean it for real sucks. But there is an actual path to lawfully moving here, lawfully working here, and becoming a citizen. Lots of places, China included, does not want a foreigner to legally naturalize. It's very evident by how god drat impossible it is. Europe is insanely bad about this as well. Anywhere that requires a blood relation to a current citizen, or serving in the foreign legion, or being so god damned valuable that they'd be stupid to not give you citizenship if you want it. The developing world gladly gives out shady visas for stupid jobs because speaking english is important enough for the time being, but as a working class American, I am unlikely to ever become a swede, or move anywhere I could envision a better life for myself. I've looked seriously at emigration and leaving the country because i'm an idiot, and nobody even gives you a shot at waiting years and jumping through bureaucratic nightmare. Most places are "get a sponsorship for a job you'll never be qualified for, marry one of us and we'll think about it, or bribe the right people, maybe do all three if you can."

America was built on the backs of slaves, indentured servants, and underpaid immigrants, so there is a real historic and arguably current desire for immigrants, even if our politics make it seem one way, the behavior of the businesses who write our politicians' checks says a hell of a lot more about the reality of things. Undocumented labor is cheap. documented uneducated labor is still cheaper than a third generation citizen with a diploma or two. I dated a girl from Belarus in highschool and i remember the day she became a citizen, because her story and path to citizenship, if reversed, would have gotten her and her family laughed out of many a European embassy, home country included after the fall of the iron curtain.

Point is, china has no business whining about american immigration and naturalization, and neither does like, most of Europe. Don't most nations nations not have jus soli citizenship? So, you have multiple generations of migrants who might as well be stateless because the paths to citizenship are priced way the gently caress out of what's humanly possible for them.

Probably makes a 15 year wait and re-filing lost paperwork to live in a country as lovely as the US seem like a real god drat opportunity to some people.

Haier posted:

Hotel registration:
India has the same rules about scanning/copying passports, and also has a long history of "chabuduo," but it can sometimes be very passive-aggressive rather than simple ignorance. A long time ago my dad and I were taking a trip together and stopped in this nice hotel he'd been to before. We arrived at about 7pm. The host man said he needed to copy our passports and he will return them to our room shortly. Normally we wouldn't agree to this, but my dad has stayed there several times and met the owner, so he felt it was safe.

It's about 11pm and my dad realizes we never got our passports back. We go down to the lobby and the front-desk guy is sleeping in his chair. My dad shook him.

Dad: "Hey, did you copy our passports? We want them back."
Guy: "No no, I'll do it tomorrow."
Dad: "Ok, give us our passports back and we'll do it in the morning."
Guy: "No, we must copy them first."
Dad: "Ok, copy them now and give them back to us."
Guy: "I cannot, saar. The printer is broken. We will fix it in the morning."
Dad: "Give us our passports, we can talk about this in the morning."
Guy: "But saar, we cannot. We must copy them first!"
Dad: "Fix the printer and copy them."
Guy: "In the morning!!"

So my dad sits down on the couch, and I sit next to him. The guy is trying to fall back asleep, but realizes this goras are going to stare at him until he does something."

Guy: "Please, come back tomorrow. It is late. We cannot do anything."
Dad: "If you give us our passports we will go. You have met me several times, you know I am fine. I already paid you cash."
Guy: "I cannot!"
Dad: "Just do it."
Guy: "SAAR!"
Dad: "Don't gently caress around with me. No more of this bullshit. Where are our passports?"
Guy: "PLEASE!"
Dad: "NO!"

The guy stands up and lets out the loudest, longest, angriest sigh. He opens a wood desk drawer and pulls out our passports along with a paan packet. He empties it into his mouth, and then bends over and plugs in the Xerox machine. It whirs to life and he slaps our passports onto the glass. Two minutes later he had his copies, and hands our documents back to us. My dad takes them and says "I knew you were bullshitting us." The guy did the dismissive Indian hand-brush wave and sat back in his chair without any more words.

Haier posted:

Just typing "china" into twitter shows so much. Like this sad story:

http://abuad.edu.ng/press-release-14-abuad-students-leave-for-china/

quote:

China, the world fastest economy

wide stance posted:

Sprint or endurance?