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the black husserl posted:I like these games but I'm pretty sure the developers have some weird fetish for having BJ get brutally maimed, then shrug it off like it's nothing and get right back to the killing. How could he die when there are still Nazis to kill? Dude's a revenant, he knows he's chained his existence to one purpose. That's why he'll never get to be happy with Anya. The moment those loving Hitlers are finally done for, BJ's going to rest. 
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There doesn't need to be any explanation as to why he keeps surviving stabbings and things falling on his head. He's a 90s video game action hero, that's already enough.
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Jul 10, 2017 18:24
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the black husserl posted:At this point if BJ got decapitated I wouldn't even blink, I'd just wait for the head to start biting Nazis. That looks like what might actually happen in The New Colossus if you look closely at the trailers.
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Jul 10, 2017 20:28
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David D. Davidson posted:That looks like what might actually happen in The New Colossus if you look closely at the trailers. yeah, sorta presaged by the mad science monkey cat in the trailer. BJ's in a wheelchair to start and then later he has a weird ring around his neck like the monkey cat. probably harvested himself a brand new body from a Nazi along the way.
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Jul 10, 2017 21:07
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Even assuming the new body theories are true, BJ ain't gonna use no loving Nazi's body.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:04
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uber_stoat posted:yeah, sorta presaged by the mad science monkey cat in the trailer. BJ's in a wheelchair to start and then later he has a weird ring around his neck like the monkey cat. probably harvested himself a brand new body from a Nazi along the way. I didn't actually put the new body theory together the first time I saw the trailer but I definitely noticed that he seemed a bit thinner in that scene.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:17
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Kibayasu posted:Even assuming the new body theories are true, BJ ain't gonna use no loving Nazi's body. Yeah, his body would reject a Nazi body. Maybe they'll put in cloning, but just clone him a new body.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:18
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Did they pull a portal and change cutscenes in the new order to include new stuff referring to the new game? did the game always flash GET HYPE at you when you start a new game because I don't remember seeing it before and I've shot so many nazis.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:24
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Maybe instead of BJ getting decapitated by the Nazis, Set offers to give him a new body because his old body is completely wrecked.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:34
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Werix posted:All this but only if we get to actually kill Klansmen or sympathizers. In the Alternative make some of the Nazis Americans that willfully collaborated and every once in a while when you kill a Nazi instead of hearing 'Mein Gott!" you hear, "Oh tarnation!" the milkshake nazi sounds pretty american. i assume there will be american collaborators and i am sure they will show some truly hosed up horrors, apparently they wanted to go further with the camp belica in NO but they ran out of time and wernt sure how to make it not exploitive feeling. GUI posted:There doesn't need to be any explanation as to why he keeps surviving stabbings and things falling on his head. He's a 90s video game action hero, that's already enough. well he is basically Samson(set literally calls him that) just a giant spirit of vengeance on nazi fuckheads. Arcsquad12 posted:And you can kill up to two women in old blood one is zombie and other is practically dead.
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Pound_Coin posted:Did they pull a portal and change cutscenes in the new order to include new stuff referring to the new game? did the game always flash GET HYPE at you when you start a new game because I don't remember seeing it before and I've shot so many nazis. Yes, it always did that.
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Jul 11, 2017 01:25
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Two Owls posted:I was thinking that, but then a lot of them seem a bit off somehow - Engel seems to have taken the opportunity to have a bit of a facelift when they glued her jaw back on, for instance. Engel's gone through significant reconstructive surgery, she had a giant fuckoff hole in her face even after her jaw was wired in at the end of TNO. Also BJ has absolutely had his head grafted onto another dude's body, and we can only hope his anti-knife aura is concentrated in his brain.
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Jul 11, 2017 01:32
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Pound_Coin posted:Did they pull a portal and change cutscenes in the new order to include new stuff referring to the new game? did the game always flash GET HYPE at you when you start a new game because I don't remember seeing it before and I've shot so many nazis. It says GET PSYCHED! It's from Wolfenstein 3D. It always did that, but it's on screen for less than a second so it's pretty easy to miss.
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GUI posted:There doesn't need to be any explanation as to why he keeps surviving stabbings and things falling on his head. He's a 90s video game action hero, that's already enough. I don't need an explanation but I would like the scenes to please stop. I've watched the same thing like a dozen times and they're really gratuitous and bad, instead of gratuitous and rad like the rest of the game.
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the black husserl posted:I like these games but I'm pretty sure the developers have some weird fetish for having BJ get brutally maimed, then shrug it off like it's nothing and get right back to the killing. It's a pretty well-trodden formula that having a hero who gets the poo poo beat out of them and keeps on soldiering through it is way more interesting and endearing than just having some untouchable killing machine. It's worked with everyone from Indiana Jones to John McClane to Jackie Chan and even in videogames the most successful modern action heroes seem to be people like Nathan Drake and Laura Croft who spend most of their games in varying states of bleeding out and/or falling to their death. Oxxidation posted:Engel's gone through significant reconstructive surgery, she had a giant fuckoff hole in her face even after her jaw was wired in at the end of TNO. That was definitely one of the few "oh come on" moments in TNO, you sic a literal killing machine with appendages built for crushing skulls on her and then when it only inflicts a glancing superficial face wound you let her do a supervillain monologue and then throw her off of a cliff instead instead of actually finishing the job then and there. I almost kind of wish she was the one you killed and her creepy pedostached boy toy was the one coming back for vengeance in the sequel, going from a giggling effete weirdo to a crazed killing machine over a woman who obviously viewed him as little more than a plaything.
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Guy Mann posted:I almost kind of wish she was the one you killed and her creepy pedostached boy toy was the one coming back for vengeance in the sequel, going from a giggling effete weirdo to a crazed killing machine over a woman who obviously viewed him as little more than a plaything. I donno... the execution in the Belica chapter was BS, especially when BJ just decides to jam his hand into a fusebox for no apparent reason, but I liked killing creepy sex-offender dude in front of Engel. It was like one more gently caress you to her before the credits roll. Of course that whole point in the lab was also a bit weird, as immediately after you run into all your comrades who are apparently oblivious to BJ being drugged and just run off without you. This time around it looks like they're probably really going to try and fuel your hatred of Engel so she can take the place as the big, bad antagonist. We'll either kill her here, or she'll be kept alive for one more round before they reset the series again.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:
Sorry, three women. I forgot you could shoot Helga. And the other two are zombies.
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Oxxidation posted:Engel's gone through significant reconstructive surgery, she had a giant fuckoff hole in her face even after her jaw was wired in at the end of TNO. yeah, i guess it healed up well. i hope its the same voice actress, she was great. also i am curious who the donor will be. because its seems less muscled then his original. Arcsquad12 posted:Sorry, three women. I forgot you could shoot Helga. And the other two are zombies. i am pretty sure there is a execution prompt like bubi. Psychotic Weasel posted:
the lead writer said it was always going to be a trilogy. i kinda assume engel will die in this one and Hitler/whatever is left of historical nazis are the third(though anya voice actor said they shoot Hitler in this one, so who knows).
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Dapper_Swindler posted:the lead writer said it was always going to be a trilogy. i kinda assume engel will die in this one and Hitler/whatever is left of historical nazis are the third(though anya voice actor said they shoot Hitler in this one, so who knows).
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Jul 11, 2017 06:24
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The ending of the franchise should just be a recreation of that Hey Arnold episode.
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GUI posted:The ending of the franchise should just be a recreation of that Heil Honey. I'm Home episode.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Maybe instead of BJ getting decapitated by the Nazis, Set offers to give him a new body because his old body is completely wrecked. It looks like it goes two ways, you could get the mech suit or new body. I'd think possibly that guy with a carved up head that just repeats himself. Maybe he gets wounded again in the head but the rest of his body is still good, in comes Set Roth boom new brauny body for BJ.
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Played through both TNO and TBO over the last few days in preparation. I might do another round of each to get all collectibles, or at least all the enigma codes in TNO. Will go for Fergus over Wyatt this time. J is dope as hell, but Fergus is much better than Wyatt. So pumped for Wolfenstein 2 in any case.
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Man it's gonna be pretty weird for Anya if BJ gets a new body 
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Groetgaffel posted:Played through both TNO and TBO over the last few days in preparation. I might do another round of each to get all collectibles, or at least all the enigma codes in TNO. Will go for Fergus over Wyatt this time. J is dope as hell, but Fergus is much better than Wyatt. I like Wyatt, it's like having Bucky Barnes around. Plus his begging makes me legit sad.
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Southpaugh posted:
is it? i thought it was a head set?
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yeah I just replayed The New Order and even in the final cutscene before the credits he is still using a headset
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Entropic posted:I'm waiting for the reveal that BJ was part of some captain America super-soldier-serum experiment. It would explain a lot. His actor DID voice Captain America in several Avengers properties... He's also this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHm_TuS-KQU
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Southpaugh posted:
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I just watched the thirty minute giant bomb interview. They confirm that you'll be prompted at the start of the game to select between the Fergus and Wyatt timeline, and that the new choice between the Laserkraftwerk and the Dieselkraftwerk will be a gameplay difference rather than a story, with the DKW being an explosive weapon of some kind. Dapper_Swindler posted:I like Wyatt, it's like having Bucky Barnes around. Plus his begging makes me legit sad. But between just Fergus and Wyatt, I definitely prefer the former. Fergus fits in with the rest of the crew of old and tired fighters better. Wyatt is the idealistic choice, and Fergus the pragmatic one, as he's the one with a useful set of skills for the resistance, whereas Wyatt is as green as they come. E: Besides, including the very end of TOB, Fergus saves your skin several times before the choice. Off the top of my head; digging you out at the end of TOB, catching you when you almost slip off the wing leaping over to the troop transport plane, shooting the panzerhund that attacks you in the trench. Seems rude not to return the favour. Groetgaffel fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Wyatt does save your rear end from the panzerhund before you climb the castle wall in a rather cool way. Plus on PC (with mouse and keyboard) I've been having a horrible time with the hot wire minigame you get with Fergus as opposed to the lock pick minigame.
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Granted, I did the Fergus playthrough (or most of it anyway, I got stuck on the second stage of the last boss, was too stubborn to lower difficulty, put the game down and forgot about it) back when it first came out, but I don't remember that minigame being any more annoying than the lock picking. The health collectibles are just straight up better than the armour ones though, as the latter still doesn't allow you to go over a hundred. At least in TOB you could overcharge armour as well.
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Well, it kinda is true that the Nazis weren't the biggest fans of the KKK, since the KKK was often effectively anti-German because of its anti-catholic (and prohibitionist) stance. Plus the Nazis had a general dislike of the "mongrel" Americans.  Which of course doesn't mean that the KKK wouldn't be overjoyed to work together with the Nazis to really "clean up America", or that the Nazis wouldn't recruit them to make occupation that much easier. Their whole deal when it came to non-Germans was to "elevate" other races based on political expedience rather than any sort of coherent ideological framework. I'm pretty sure they could come up with a justification for working with the KKK.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Well, it kinda is true that the Nazis weren't the biggest fans of the KKK, since the KKK was often effectively anti-German because of its anti-catholic (and prohibitionist) stance. Plus the Nazis had a general dislike of the "mongrel" Americans. How about "work with us or we'll send in the robot dogs"?
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So far the theories that BJ is a decapitated head remind me of all the crazy story ideas in Deux Ex, that Jensen was totally a clone and was being mind controlled to follow specific orders.
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But BJ getting his head cut off means he can be put in a mecha suit to fight mecha Hitler, which is obviously where this series needs to go.
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