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farraday posted:He's also been assured by Trump's lawyers that they can't impeach a President and Vice President for the same crime. https://y.yarn.co/5cac2a0e-103d-489a-8199-f363c612809f.mp4?1499739113147
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aware of dog posted:Yes, a pardon/immunity removes your ability to plead the 5th because you can no longer incriminate yourself (at least wrt the crime you've been immunized of) Which means, I believe, that you can still be charged with perjury/obstruction of justice if you choose to lie afterwards.
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CmdrRiker posted:That aside, does the pardon provide any benefit at all? Would this inhibit a trial somehow? a pardon makes it impossible to try someone for the pardoned crime yeah. bush 1 pardoning everyone but himself in iran-contra probably prevented people from flipping and implicating bush. it does revoke their 5th amendment rights though because they can no longer claim they are implicating themselves though.
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Like, the actual New York Times article has to reference a set of insane, rambling tweets alleging a media conspiracy, a set of perfunctory emails that talk about casually about colluding with the Russian Government to undermine a political rival, and a music video based on the theme song from a reality television show, because all of those things are somehow a part of the current White House.
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CmdrRiker posted:That aside, does the pardon provide any benefit at all? Would this inhibit a trial somehow? A pardon severs a crime from the legal system; they can no longer be tried for whatever it was the pardon covers. They could still be tried for something else, called to testify, etc but will no longer suffer any legal consequences directly related to that crime.
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JazzFlight posted:I am just so happy today. It's like a nice little gift created and personally delivered by the world's dumbest moron. I'm utterly shocked his lawyer hasn't up and quit because JFC why would you want to defend this moron
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Flip Yr Wig posted:I imagine Trump has made a point to criminally implicate Pence (and as much of the administration as he can) to prevent him from backstabbing like that. We've already seen him lie about Kislyak meetings, and I doubt it ends there. Oh I'm sure he knows about just about all of it. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he has been reporting back to the RNC about what's been going on so that they can spin it in a favorable way. Broader Republicans do certainly seem to have their responses to breaking news prepped early as they all immediately come out and say the same drat thing almost immediately after news breaks. Again, even though his knowledge of the conspiracy constitutes a crime, no one is going to focus on him at all for fear of letting Trump off the hook. CmdrRiker posted:Does a pardon revoke the individual's 5th amendment rights? How can you invoke protection from incrimination when you have already been granted immunity from incrimination? Jr. could be forced to testify under threat of Contempt if he doesn't talk. This has been gone over dozens of times in this thread already.
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Party Plane Jones posted:I'm utterly shocked his lawyer hasn't up and quit because JFC why would you want to defend this moron I'd say because he's getting paid but... "They don't pay and they don't listen."
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If Trump goes down, there's no way he doesn't make every attempt to bring down everyone around him out of stupidity and spite.
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CmdrRiker posted:
My understanding is yes, as it would no longer be possible to incriminate yourself, same as with immunity.
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CmdrRiker posted:Does a pardon revoke the individual's 5th amendment rights? You wouldn't have 5th amendment rights regarding a crime you've been pardoned for, because you wouldn't be exposing yourself to prosecution by testifying about it.
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Are there any lawyers on twitter right now, or anywhere, that have a position of "Well actually this is a good thing he did because" I can't seem to find them.
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Party Plane Jones posted:I'm utterly shocked his lawyer hasn't up and quit because JFC why would you want to defend this moron If they're smart they were prepaid and they're just running down the clock on the contract.
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What is Mueller thinking right now? Do you think he knew all of this already? Or is he adding it to the pile of stuff he already has? Does this make his job harder or easier? I just can't believe Don Jr. released the information like this. All of the Trumps are loving stupid, it's unbelievable.
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nerdz posted:This right here was a really stupid move, because whatever appears on CNN and other places can be readily dismissed by Trump's base, but by posting it himself he just made it all unquestionable truth to both sides. That what was stupid beyond comprehension. If the NYT contacted you to respond before they ran this, just not respond and take to Twitter calling the emails fake news. Fox News, and the 46% of people who voted Trump would buy that. Why confirm the story by posting the emails yourself, and confirm that you lied
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The very first example of collusion on wikipedia's page on collusion is Widdle Donny.
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Party Plane Jones posted:I'm utterly shocked his lawyer hasn't up and quit because JFC why would you want to defend this moron Hasn't his lawyer defended like 4 or 5 NY mafia families?
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evilweasel posted:i have no loving idea how anyone let that email outside the group of people on it I guess. Maybe we will never know the source of it or it is some IT underlining. That the email got leaked to the times is pretty amazing but what bemuses me is that in anything like a competent organization concerned with secrecy and security that email shouldn't have existed in the first place. Those are conversations that should have happened in hushed tones in person in a well checked office.
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Party Plane Jones posted:I'm utterly shocked his lawyer hasn't up and quit because JFC why would you want to defend this moron Well, he's a mafia lawyer, so he's probably used to this sort of thing.
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By this point I'll bet Lawyers around the country are instinctively muttering "Shut up, shut up. For Gods sake stop talking!" whenever their attention wanders, or they are distracted for a moment, and they don't know why. Have to be honest people. Starting to suspect Donald Trump Jr may not be the supergenius we naturally all assumed he was.
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Crows Turn Off posted:What is Mueller thinking right now? Do you think he knew all of this already? Or is he adding it to the pile of stuff he already has? Does this make his job harder or easier? He's chilling with a big grin on his face because he's getting ready to shoot fish in a barrel with a 155mm howitzer.
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Overwined posted:I think it's a small fire, like the tinder just caught fire. But Mueller is still in the shadows and he's got the gas can. It's a small fire, like of a fridge motor started an electrical fire, but it turns out the rest of the building is covered in gold panelling that's flammable because it was a few dollars cheaper.
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On Terra Firma posted:Are there any lawyers on twitter right now, or anywhere, that have a position of "Well actually this is a good thing he did because" I can't seem to find them. I'm sure Dershowitz or some other rear end in a top hat will have that piece up shortly
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Crows Turn Off posted:What is Mueller thinking right now? Do you think he knew all of this already? Or is he adding it to the pile of stuff he already has? Does this make his job harder or easier? Yeah, I imagine he is in his office sipping coffee when he heard a ton a laughter outside his office, he pokes his head out and sees everyone looking at screen laughing. He gets motioned over, and walks over slowly expecting a cat video or a dumb Fake News tweet. He see Don Jr's email chain He begins to giggle Fin
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KickerOfMice posted:Hasn't his lawyer defended like 4 or 5 NY mafia families? Yea but at least those greaseballs know when to shut up and when to talk to their FBI contacts while snitching.
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Crows Turn Off posted:What is Mueller thinking right now? Do you think he knew all of this already? Or is he adding it to the pile of stuff he already has? Does this make his job harder or easier? We probably wouldn't be seeing this is Mueller didn't have it. He probably just subpoenad it. (Are subpoena requests public?)
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I remain reluctant to believe that this time things will start Mattering. I am not sure Junior is in real life legal trouble, but if he is and daddy pardons him, that's something the population can easily digest.
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Serfer posted:Well, he's a mafia lawyer, so he's probably used to this sort of thing. Nah, he's much more used to people that know that keeping you mouth shut keeps you out of jail.
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Just popped onto the Facebook trending topic of Don Jr, holy poo poo some people are loving delusional. They immediately redirect to Clinton's emails. They're the minority but good god.
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The icing on the treason cake, to me, is that he's planning on going on Hannity. Like, something like this drops, and the immediate reaction is "we have to get him on friendly TV!". That's the reaction of a group that is fundamentally unfamiliar with crises that have lasting consequences. Also https://twitter.com/MerriamWebster/status/884810992902955008
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Welp, I was giving 1:1 odds that the most incriminating evidence was sitting in "Recycle Bin". Turns out it didn't even make it there and they kept all the incriminating evidence. Carter Page is looking a lot like Keyser Soze in comparison right now. He was the double agent all along.
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Overwined posted:Nah, he's much more used to people that know that keeping you mouth shut keeps you out of jail. Ok, not so much in that respect, but in the "people acting in the stupidest way possible" sense.
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Serfer posted:Well, he's a mafia lawyer, so he's probably used to this sort of thing. At least the mafia has a code of silence.
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Overwined posted:How can you invoke protection from incrimination when you have already been granted immunity from incrimination? Jr. could be forced to testify under threat of Contempt if he doesn't talk. This has been gone over dozens of times in this thread already. Yes, you're right. The point has well been illuminated permanently within my brain. My problem with the state of events was how far the rabbit hole goes.
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:So the standard "a video of Ted Cruz speaking" warning then Yeah but you know if you don't post it, someones gonna demand you pay for their monitor. I blame the lawyers. Looking forward to that tweet pardon now.
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Crows Turn Off posted:What is Mueller thinking right now? Do you think he knew all of this already? Or is he adding it to the pile of stuff he already has? Does this make his job harder or easier? Mueller's investigation is about 30% actual dirt digging, 20% waiting for journalists to find it and 50% letting the trumps bury themselves right now.
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