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Fallen Hamprince posted:btw if u guys hadn't noticed yet don jr just posted proof of collusion on his twitter What's the actual proposed offense here? Don Jr. admitted he arranged a meeting with someone claiming to be from the Russian government to get dirt on Hillary, and the email says (hilariously) that the Russian government explicitly supports the Trump campaign. Is that a crime? It's not the same thing as, say, Don Jr. instructing the Russians to hack the DNC.
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UHD posted:I hope hillary runs in 2020 because it'll be the nail in the coffin of this failed experiment, humanity.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:05
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Zoran posted:What's the actual proposed offense here? Don Jr. admitted he arranged a meeting with someone claiming to be from the Russian government to get dirt on Hillary, and the email says (hilariously) that the Russian government explicitly supports the Trump campaign. Is that a crime? It's not the same thing as, say, Don Jr. instructing the Russians to hack the DNC. yes, you're not allowed to illegally influence an election, with the help of foreign agents or otherwise
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Jul 11, 2017 18:05
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Raskolnikov38 posted:yes, you're not allowed to illegally influence an election, with the help of foreign agents or otherwise Isn't that begging the question? What's the illegal influence here? Can Don Jr. actually be convicted of a crime on the basis of this evidence?
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Jul 11, 2017 18:06
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zegermans posted:sir you can't bring a flammable item like your strawman into a mcdonalds it's okay, the strawman is as hypothetical as the mcdonalds
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Jul 11, 2017 18:11
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Zoran posted:Isn't that begging the question? What's the illegal influence here? I mean it sounds like there is a decent laundry list of cyber crimes related including what was dictated in the NSA thing and what appears to be a framework of a conspiracy/quid pro quo.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:14
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Zoran posted:Isn't that begging the question? What's the illegal influence here? it's a political contribution by a foreign agent
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Raskolnikov38 posted:it's gonna be great when Hillary runs in 2020 on the platform of the Russians stole the election I've said it before and I'll say it again: her running again with the slogan "hindsight is 2020" would be an appallingly tin-eared and moronic idea doomed to failure, so it's pretty much a certainty that's what she'll do.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:it's a political contribution by a foreign agent and?
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Agean90 posted:and? and that's illegal
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democrats winning elections is a precondition for the mattering because lol if ryan and mcconnell are going to impeach trump, especially when they are complicit in all of it also a precondition for the mattering is the democrats to stop being spineless because otherwise when they regain power they'll do exactly what they did to bring the last criminal republican president and his batch of criminal underlings to justice: nothing
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Jul 11, 2017 18:17
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Shear Modulus posted:democrats winning elections is a precondition for the mattering because lol if ryan and mcconnell are going to impeach trump, especially when they are complicit in all of it True, but like the prisoners' game they also have to have the foresight and faith in each other not to hammer the "betray" button the moment the heat's on them.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:19
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Raskolnikov38 posted:and that's illegal thats a nice crime you have there. sure would be a shame if someone dropped this pile of pardons on it
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Jul 11, 2017 18:19
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democrats are gonna use this as a justification to run on "russia bad" and it's going to result in them losing seats in 2018 lol
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Jul 11, 2017 18:20
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Agean90 posted:thats a nice crime you have there. sure would be a shame if someone dropped this pile of pardons on it iirc the president is actually prevented from pardoning himself
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Jul 11, 2017 18:26
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let's say hypothetically a russian agent told them that they had compromised podesta's e-mail account and were going to leak the details to show the democratic party is scummy. who gives a poo poo? this isn't some shining ace in the hole or the lynchpin that cost hillary the election. american voters don't care and the democrats are going to continue to lose and remain a rightwing corporate brokebrain party.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:27
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Raskolnikov38 posted:iirc the president is actually prevented from pardoning himself he'll pardon everyone else, the investigation wont touch him unless hes impeached, the Republican house will not impeach him and will instead sit around and say "this is good imo"
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comedyblissoption posted:let's say hypothetically a russian agent told them that they had compromised podesta's e-mail account and were going to leak the details to show the democratic party is scummy. who gives a poo poo? There's good evidence the Russian committed a slew of crimes after this email.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:iirc the president is actually prevented from pardoning himself yes he can, the only thing stopping him from doing so is tradition and whether congress would impeach him for overstepping generally-understood norms
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Raskolnikov38 posted:iirc the president is actually prevented from pardoning himself pence would jump at the chance
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Jul 11, 2017 18:32
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imagine a situation where the democrats somehow win both houses in 2018, they impeach trump, he pardons himself, and then the scotus rules on whether he's allowed to do that hahahaha
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Jul 11, 2017 18:32
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got any sevens posted:chelsea manning has earned my vote can we get her to run in 2020
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Shear Modulus posted:yes he can, the only thing stopping him from doing so is tradition and whether congress would impeach him for overstepping generally-understood norms the constitution forbids pardoning anyone under impeachment, so i guess he could do it since he's never getting impeached
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Jul 11, 2017 18:34
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Shear Modulus posted:yes he can, the only thing stopping him from doing so is tradition and whether congress would impeach him for overstepping generally-understood norms And I think we all know how that would go.
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Shear Modulus posted:imagine a situation where the democrats somehow win both houses in 2018, they impeach trump, he pardons himself, and then the scotus rules on whether he's allowed to do that hahahaha Uhh you absolutely can't pardon yourself out of impeachment.
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Shear Modulus posted:imagine a situation where the democrats somehow win both houses in 2018, they impeach trump, he pardons himself, and then the scotus rules on whether he's allowed to do that hahahaha he can pardon himself for the crime but the one thing the president explicitly can't do with pardons is stop an impeachment
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Jul 11, 2017 18:36
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donald trump is preferable to mike piss in every single conceivable way
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GalacticAcid posted:donald trump is preferable to mike piss in every single conceivable way Yeah but if trump falls theres gonna be a whole lot of pissed off nazis.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:37
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let's get rid of trump, an incompetent retard with no ideology, and replace him with an anti-gay Christian Right diehard who will take us to war in Syria and Iran before you have time to say........covfefe
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GalacticAcid posted:let's get rid of trump, an incompetent retard with no ideology, and replace him with an anti-gay Christian Right diehard who will take us to war in Syria and Iran before you have time to say........covfefe It's okay, we're doing it piss off a bunch of violent reactionaries who own private arsenals and jerk off to the thought killing minorities and everyone to their left every day. It will all work out for the best. 
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MizPiz posted:It's okay, we're doing it piss off a bunch of violent reactionaries who own private arsenals and jerk off to the thought killing minorities and everyone to their left every day. It will all work out for the best. I mean besides the RoHoWa angle I bet a bunch of deplorables would stay home for elections for a while if Daddy gets hosed.
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*d&ds into thread carrying a huge tub of water labeled "CAPITALISM", brain aglow with cosmic light. rolls eyes extremely d&d-ishly* lol @ the useful idiots itt
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Bip Roberts posted:I mean besides the RoHoWa angle I bet a bunch of deplorables would stay home for elections for a while if Daddy gets hosed. wrong
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Jul 11, 2017 18:45
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Bip Roberts posted:Uhh you absolutely can't pardon yourself out of impeachment. Zoran posted:he can pardon himself for the crime but the one thing the president explicitly can't do with pardons is stop an impeachment while you are correct, i imagine that the roberts court could find a way to discover that what the founders really meant was that you can't be impeached for crimes that you've been pardoned for
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Jul 11, 2017 18:45
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Very telling that centrists' strategy to win elections is to get even less people to vote.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:47
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MizPiz posted:Very telling that centrists' strategy to win elections is to get even less people to vote. I mean that's half the equation.
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Liberals only care about impeaching Trump to satisfy their vanity. If it ever happened they would proceed to roll over for the much more effective Pence to restore order or some poo poo. This would occur with the heavily armed right wing radicalizing at warp speed in the background.
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Last time I checked you want more of your people to vote and less of their people. Unless I'm wrong.
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Bip Roberts posted:Last time I checked you want more of your people to vote and less of their people. Unless I'm wrong. We're still waiting for how you expect to get "more of your people" to vote.
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MizPiz posted:We're still waiting for how you expect to get "more of your people" to vote. Uhh, leftist policy?
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