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Demon Of The Fall posted:I saw on one twitter that there is an audio recording of the meeting that the press now has, is this being confirmed anywhere? Lordy I hope so.
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This is only surprising if you'd previously believed Don Jr. had a detailed understanding of the Act in question and the Republican position on it
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the boston bomber posted:Obviously the optics of all this look terrible, but can someone explain to me how this is going to the crushing blow that finally destroys the administration of DJT? Because frankly I am little worried that all this excitement is for nothing. DJT has weathered terrible optics before, and he certainly can do so again. Don Jr just admitted publicly provided evidence that he sought aid from a foreign government for electoral advantage. That alone is a crime. On top of that, he also shows that not only were the campaign chair (Manafort) and chief advisor to the president (Kushner) in the meeting, they had the entire email chain which showed that they knew that this was an effort to collude with a foreign government.
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the boston bomber posted:Obviously the optics of all this look terrible, but can someone explain to me how this is going to the crushing blow that finally destroys the administration of DJT? Because frankly I am little worried that all this excitement is for nothing. DJT has weathered terrible optics before, and he certainly can do so again. Most of the evidence so far has been circumstantial. There has been a TON of ties that most reasonable people could smell that something was obviously up, but not a lot of hard evidence. The email is hard evidence that something happened, made more real by the earlier denial of the meeting and its existence. It might not be the final nail, but I think a lot of "nothingburger" people might finally have a thing that makes them question the story.
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Wouldn't be surprised if related Trump campaign emails flooded the twitters before long. Thank god this week is almost over.
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quote:The Obama administration made public a list of 18 individuals affected by the Act in April 2013.[13][14][15]The people included on the list are: Holy mother of God. They aren't talking about general sanctions against the whole of the Russian government. Specific people were getting paid off for this The person who met with Jr. was in the act BY NAME.
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empty whippet box posted:This isn't just optics. The Russians hacked the DNC and got damaging information; this was illegal. Meeting with members of a hostile foreign government to discuss a quid pro quo exchange of damaging information for the easing of sanctions is 100% absolutely definitely illegal, even if the information they had hadn't been gained illegally, which it was. Right, but this quid pro quo is never mentioned in the emails. Obviously there is a statement here that damaging info is available from the Russian Government, but that in itself doesn't seem to be illegal. I guess what I am saying is, we have the quid, but where is the pro quo? Really, at the end of the day, it is going to take a lawyer to explain how these emails are proof of any illegal behavior. Is anyone here aware of any statements by people with legal training that this email chain is evidence of criminal activity?
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Jul 11, 2017 19:19
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Should have got some Russian SA poster to spoof some bureaucrat's email address and offer info to Trump back in 2016. Could have got some blackmail money out of it, at least. Or I guess if you're spoofing an email anyone could do it, though you'd want the payout to go to a Russian place.
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he uh he just straight up tweeted out ironclad evidence of collusion. what the gently caress is going on.
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pangstrom posted:Should have got some Russian SA poster to spoof an email address and offer info to Trump back in 2016. Could have got some blackmail money out of it, at least. Or I guess if you're spoofing an email anyone could do it, though you'd want the payout to go to a Russian place. Maybe we could finally get that forums upgrade.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Holy mother of God. They aren't talking about general sanctions against the whole of the Russian government. Specific people were getting paid off for this Different Natalia, the one jr met with was Veselnitskaya
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farraday posted:Wouldn't be surprised if related Trump campaign emails flooded the twitters before long. Dude, it's only Tuesday.
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Groovelord Neato posted:he uh he just straight up tweeted out ironclad evidence of collusion. what the gently caress is going on. You've been in a coma since Nov 9 2016, this is the only way we've been able to reach you YOU HAVE TO WAKE UP
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Groovelord Neato posted:he uh he just straight up tweeted out ironclad evidence of collusion. what the gently caress is going on. Our government is corrupt and illegitimate from the top down, that's what the gently caress is going on.
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Groovelord Neato posted:he uh he just straight up tweeted out ironclad evidence of collusion. what the gently caress is going on. It's like when my 3 year old spills juice on the floor and then gets the entire roll of paper towel and plops it down in the puddle. He thinks he's helping.
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The Glumslinger posted:Don Jr just admitted publicly provided evidence that he sought aid from a foreign government for electoral advantage. That alone is a crime. On top of that, he also shows that not only were the campaign chair (Manafort) and chief advisor to the president (Kushner) in the meeting, they had the entire email chain which showed that they knew that this was an effort to collude with a foreign government. Is it, though? He wanted information for an electoral advantage, sure. But is that really a a quid pro quo? I thought a quid pro quo would require some sort of exchange. What crime has been committed? What criminal statute is DJT JR. in violation of? None of the articles I have read state as much.
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pangstrom posted:Should have got some Russian SA poster to spoof some bureaucrat's email address and offer info to Trump back in 2016. Could have got some blackmail money out of it, at least. Or I guess if you're spoofing an email anyone could do it, though you'd want the payout to go to a Russian place. SA is a CIA/Soro front so that actually happened.
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nerdz posted:I'm having trouble figuring out how or why anyone would have a problem with her figure (unless they were extremely envious women) Evangelical conservatives were mad that a Republican presidential candidate had a daughter who had large breasts and therefore was not sufficiently "modest" and possibly tempting men by not wearing only loose, baggy clothing.
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the boston bomber posted:Obviously the optics of all this look terrible, but can someone explain to me how this is going to the crushing blow that finally destroys the administration of DJT? Because frankly I am little worried that all this excitement is for nothing. DJT has weathered terrible optics before, and he certainly can do so again. The e-mail + the meeting proves Manafort, Kushner, and DJT Jr have been lying through their teeth for months. It proves they knew about foreign government attempts to help them. It proves they knew about foreign government cyber attacks on US citizens. It proves they held an in-person meeting to try to obtain illegally obtained information to help their campaign from a foreign government representative. It proves the campaign made no attempt to contact the FBI or any law enforcement agency in response to these activities. Those are all crimes, man.
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the boston bomber posted:Right, but this quid pro quo is never mentioned in the emails. Obviously there is a statement here that damaging info is available from the Russian Government, but that in itself doesn't seem to be illegal. I guess what I am saying is, we have the quid, but where is the pro quo? Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...m=.75d4fcf3c3f2 e: Trump seemed prepared to lift Russia sanctions 'in exchange for absolutely nothing' http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wanted-to-lift-russia-sanctions-days-after-taking-office-2017-6
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WeAreTheRomans posted:You've been in a coma since Nov 9 2016, this is the only way we've been able to reach you 
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:Different Natalia, the one jr met with was Veselnitskaya My mistake, I mixed up the last names. She was still heavily involved in pushing back against the act, but as a lawyer for state run businesses. Hell on earth, this is what they meant about discussion adoption, since Russia blocked americans from adopting in retaliation.
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Here's a good timeline of events: https://twitter.com/braddjaffy/status/884839423250137090 Of note: On June 7, 4 days after Goldstone asked about setting up the meeting, Trump clinches the nomination, and says this in his victory speech: quote:I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week [June 13th] and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you’re going to find it very informative and very, very interesting. Trump knew.
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the boston bomber posted:Is it, though? He wanted information for an electoral advantage, sure. But is that really a a quid pro quo? I thought a quid pro quo would require some sort of exchange. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20 quote:§ 110.20 Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).
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the boston bomber posted:Right, but this quid pro quo is never mentioned in the emails. Obviously there is a statement here that damaging info is available from the Russian Government, but that in itself doesn't seem to be illegal. I guess what I am saying is, we have the quid, but where is the pro quo? From here. Goldstone: "The crown prosecutor of Russia... offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary. ... This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin." Donnie Jr: "If it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer." That is pretty straightforwardly criminal. That is "hello would you like to commit the crime" "hell yes I would" levels of straightforward.
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Chilichimp posted:The e-mail + the meeting proves Manafort, Kushner, and DJT Jr have been lying through their teeth for months. It proves they knew about foreign government attempts to help them. It proves they knew about foreign government cyber attacks on US citizens. It proves they held an in-person meeting to try to obtain illegally obtained information to help their campaign from a foreign government representative. It proves the campaign made no attempt to contact the FBI or any law enforcement agency in response to these activities. Are they? Can you cite a source that says as much? I mean, its not that I think this is all BS. I just don't want us getting ahead of ourselves here.
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Inferior Third Season posted:The EPA is being shredded to pieces by Pruitt as we speak. Not even taking into account the long-term damage this will have by not taking immediate action on global warming in addition to us turning our backs on the Paris Accord, the EPA is also in charge of things like ensuring that drinking water isn't literally poison and that corporations don't dump toxic chemicals into the ground and/or air, especially in poor communities.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:I saw on one twitter that there is an audio recording of the meeting that the press now has, is this being confirmed anywhere? Was this Louise Mensch or TrueFactsStated? I'd love it to be true but don't believe those guys.
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