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new phone who dis posted:But in this case there was no exchange of anything. There was no valuable info. Nothing changed hands. Someone lied about something and was dismissed. Do you think bait just grows on trees or do you think it gets placed? As for what will come of this. Hell if I know. Leave it to Mueller.
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In any case, of course something changed hands. The Russians fed the Trump campaign stolen info.
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new phone who dis posted:It's caused the throwing out of many cases. Ultimately, thie thing which you are charged to have gained and possess illegally has to actually be the thing they are charging you for. How can you be guilty of receiving a thing of value from a foreign government if the person who gave it to you wasn't from a foreign government and nothing of value changed hands? They're not busting you for posession in this case, they're busting you for trying to buy drugs.
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:
Yes, prostitution law is the same as treason. Good one, genius.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:In any case, of course something changed hands. The Russians fed the Trump campaign stolen info. Except they didn't. This guy and the woman used the name of a fake Russian agency to get into the place and plead their case on something completely unrelated.
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COMRADES posted:Attempted unlawful possession of a controlled substance or solicitation to unlawfully possess a controlled substance is a crime though. Granted if you back out it carries less criminal liability but it is still illegal. yes, but even if you don't actually even try to buy cocaine, if you discuss WAYS to buy cocaine and formulate a plan to buy cocaine with other people, but you don't actually TRY to buy cocaine, it's a crime. Conspiracy is a crime.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Yes, prostitution law is the same as treason. Good one, genius. Who said treason, stupid?
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Yes, prostitution law is the same as treason. Good one, genius. The law explicitly includes solicitation. it's in the text. it's right there.
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cda posted:If you're on the jury, that will matter. But since it doesn't matter what you're convinced of, maybe you could just be quiet. Haha, you can't even articulate your point, maybe you should go post somewhere more your speed. World War Mammories posted:jeez, are we already moving on from "it wasn't a crime" to "it was entrapment by a scammer"? This, however, is a little more compelling- if the dirt is worth money, it makes sense that it'd be covered under contribution. But now the question is if the dirt was worth anything, and does it apply to the dirt he thought he was going to get, or the dirt he got? If I go to a meeting where they claim to reveal a surefire way to defeat my opponent, and it turns out to be one of those pyramid cookware schemes, does it count, since my intent was to stab my opponent in the back? Genuine questions, by the way.
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:yes, but even if you don't actually even try to buy cocaine, if you discuss WAYS to buy cocaine and formulate a plan to buy cocaine with other people, but you don't actually TRY to buy cocaine, it's a crime. Conspiracy is a crime. You got Trump. He's done for. Good work.
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new phone who dis posted:Except they didn't. This guy and the woman used the name of a fake Russian agency to get into the place and plead their case on something completely unrelated. https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/884847254250586113
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:You got Trump. He's done for. Good work. How do you find all this time to post when you are a fulltime goalpost mover?
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John: "Checkmate police. I did not gently caress the prostitute" "Sir, youre being charged with solicitation." John: "Looks like I win. No crime here."
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FisheyStix posted:This, however, is a little more compelling- if the dirt is worth money, it makes sense that it'd be covered under contribution. But now the question is if the dirt was worth anything, and does it apply to the dirt he thought he was going to get, or the dirt he got? If I go to a meeting where they claim to reveal a surefire way to defeat my opponent, and it turns out to be one of those pyramid cookware schemes, does it count, since my intent was to stab my opponent in the back? Yes, it does count. The law doesn't only cover actually getting such things, it also covers soliciting it: quote:“No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by [this law].” (my source is this vox article, which provides a link to the relevant statute) Spunky Psycho Ho posted:You got Trump. He's done for. Good work. aaaaaaahahahahhahaha
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:This is where we're getting back into smokey territory, since this an unknown. But I'll hazard a guess... Is this the point where we all start pretending Trump is a master manipulator again?
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:How do you find all this time to post when you are a fulltime goalpost mover? I'm not going to sit here playing internet lawyer
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COMRADES posted:They just post what gets leaked to them. They don't "go after" anyone. So just coincidentally no one leaked anything on St Donald the Pure, who was in the middle of a fraud suit at the time like many upstanding citizens, is that it? And coincidentally no one ever feeds anything to them regarding that examplar of innocence, Russia? Meanwhile their big scoops (NSA, Butter Emailz) all seem to be aided and abetted BY Russia?
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whoa. I just woke up after working til after 5AM and saw like 700 new posts. Guessing Trump is fine?
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World War Mammories posted:Yes, it does count. The law doesn't only cover actually getting such things, it also covers soliciting it: Under the Vox interpretation of that law, both the Ukrainian opposition research done by the DNC and MI6 bullshit dossier would fall under it.
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FisheyStix posted:Genuine questions, by the way. Sir, did you intend to kill your wife? "No." Sir, you attended a meeting with a third party, by your own admission through released emails, in the hopes of hiring them to kill your wife. "I never intended to harm her, I just wanted to know what was possible." You, you wanted to know how the third party would kill your wife, were you to hire them? "That is correct, but since I never hired them, I was just listening to them talk about it." So, you are alleging that you went to a secret meeting, with a person you believed to be a murderer, simply to hear how they would kill your wife for you, should you decide to? "Correct, it's not illegal to just listen."
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This is the administration of LAW AND ORDER. But not those laws, they are just silly little laws doncha think? Anywho...
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new phone who dis posted:Is this the point where we all start pretending Trump is a master manipulator again? scenario: trump is told by his failson that he has heck of dirt, makes speech about it galaxy brain: aha, this implies that trump orchestrated all of this all by himself, contradiction libs Spunky Psycho Ho posted:I'm not going to sit here playing internet lawyer  Skypie posted:whoa. I just woke up after working til after 5AM and saw like 700 new posts. Guessing Trump is fine? check don jr's twitter, you are in for a wild ride new phone who dis posted:Under the Vox interpretation of that law, both the Ukrainian opposition research done by the DNC and MI6 bullshit dossier would fall under it. arrest hillary forever I give no shits
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:I'm not going to sit here playing internet lawyer Yes, with all this non caring you clearly demonstrate I can see that!
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COMRADES posted:And even if Wikileaks really is choosing who to post leaks on for political purposes, that doesn't invalidate anything they have actually posted thus far (if anything all their major leaks seem to have been corroborated after the fact). So if you're right they are still useful as a point of data and you can get your anti-Russia and anti-Trump stuff elsewhere. but they're only tattling on my team so they suck, they're like a rotten referee!, better not listen to anything they say.
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COMRADES posted:And even if Wikileaks really is choosing who to post leaks on for political purposes, that doesn't invalidate anything they have actually posted thus far No, but it shows an agenda for what some people have always seen as an impartial organization
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COMRADES posted:Everyone has an agenda, that's not something that should surprise a rational adult in 2017. Some of those agendas are "be as impartial as possible!"
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:No, but it shows an agenda for what some people have always seen as an impartial organization Holy poo poo, someone following the breathless Russia coverage just posted this haha.
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new phone who dis posted:Holy poo poo, someone following the breathless Russia coverage just posted this haha. LOL what does this even mean? Don Jr. tweeted the poo poo himself
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so what gate we going with on this boys, juniorgate, trumpsboygate, minitrumpgate?
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Skypie posted:whoa. I just woke up after working til after 5AM and saw like 700 new posts. Guessing Trump is fine? It still seems that way to me. Toilet Shoes posted:Sir, did you intend to kill your wife? Ah yes, conspiracy to dunk on your opponent during a presidential election. World War Mammories posted:Yes, it does count. The law doesn't only cover actually getting such things, it also covers soliciting it: Ahhh, gotcha, so by seeking out information that would be valuable to his campaign from a foreign entity, Trump Jr. committed a crime. Again, postulating that contributions and donations cover information that would have value to a campaign- that pretty much checks out as far as I can see, although I guess it remains to be seen whether the courts will agree that such information is covered. But that's for them to decide, I suppose- I'll be interested to see which way this falls out, because receiving intel from foreign nationals is a hell of a lot easier these days, what with the internet. The statute came out in... what, 2002? Last amendment seems to be 2004, maybe they'll have to update it again after this mess to be more clear and concise about the rules whether or not Trump Jr. gets owned bigly.
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Mnoba posted:so what gate we going with on this boys, juniorgate, trumpsboygate, minitrumpgate? I'm gonna have to go with Trumplinggate Trumpling sounds like dumpling and that's cute!!
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FisheyStix posted:I'm gonna have to go with Trumplinggate Haha, you can't even articulate your point, maybe you should go post somewhere more your speed.
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