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Norns posted:Please don't gently caress this up Honda... This is HPD, who has been helping Shank with the NSX team in IMSA (which finally found their stride), and makes the Indy engines. If anyone at Honda knows how to make a racecar engine, it's them.
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I just see Honda and NSX and just automatically assume it's going to explode. Mostly based on F1 and Anime GT...
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this should be the paint scheme no im not biased
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Is it one or two cars? Robin Miller was hinting during Iowa it could be JPM in one and Helio in the other. I'm all for more prototypes as long as they don't go Ganassi and win every drat thing (though that's a tad hypocritical because I was enjoying Taylor Domination this year).
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CBJSprague24 posted:Is it one or two cars? Robin Miller was hinting during Iowa it could be JPM in one and Helio in the other. It would be a little odd to see Helio and JPM in the same car, come to mention it. If Penske goes for two cars it'd be much better to spread the wealth.
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Yeah I would guess Penske puts an experienced endurance driver in the other seats. Lots of good talent out there, especially with the demise of Audi's LMP1 program. Maybe somebody like Romain Dumas, who used to drive for Penske in the ALMS Porsche Spyder days, or Loic Duval.
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gret posted:Yeah I would guess Penske puts an experienced endurance driver in the other seats. Lots of good talent out there, especially with the demise of Audi's LMP1 program. Maybe somebody like Romain Dumas, who used to drive for Penske in the ALMS Porsche Spyder days, or Loic Duval. Retirement (a large collection of Audi's team was built on guys who had been there since Porsche's pullout), LMP2, Porsche and Formula E have eaten the former Audi-sport team. There's no meat on that bone. Lucas di Grassi and Oliver Jarvis are the ones that leap out as not being "totally garbage", and it looks like they might be pretty happy where they are. IMSA isn't going to be a huge prestigious lure that drags good Euro-drivers across the pond, and I doubt Honda is super keen to invest megabucks making it so. Schlesische fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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Schlesische posted:IMSA isn't going to be a huge prestigious lure that drags good Euro-drivers across the pond, and I doubt Honda is super keen to invest megabucks making it so. Unless there are factories involved - shout out to Gimmi Bruni. There will probably be a mix of Penske guys (JPM and Helio obviously potentially full-time) and Honda guys. Look at who they have in IMSA and PWC now for hints as to who may be involved.
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I'm not sure there are many drivers who would turn down a Penske DPi drive to stay in Formula E, unless they really didnt wanna move to the US.
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Most Formula E drivers also have endurance drives, it's not impossible to see someone doing both but I also can't see many of them choosing to go to IMSA over WEC or Blancpain.
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I would think driving for basically a factory Honda team for Roger Penske would be a better gig than driving for privateer teams in LMP2. Maybe the Russian/Chinese oligarchs funding those privateer teams pay really well, who knows?
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gret posted:I would think driving for basically a factory Honda team for Roger Penske would be a better gig than driving for privateer teams in LMP2. Maybe the Russian/Chinese oligarchs funding those privateer teams pay really well, who knows? If you're in WEC, you're in the world championship, you're going to Le Mans, and you're using that exposure trying to line up some kind of factory or in-house (e.g. for Manor or Jota) drive. Or you're a factory driver out on loan (a bunch of Audi drivers were P2 except for driving the third car at Spa/Le Mans). And if you're European you may prefer that vs heading over to the States. I still think you need to look at American-based Honda-connected drivers when theorycrafting your Penske Acura lineups. It's an IMSA program run by HPD, think accordingly.
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Annnnnd Porsche admits that they're debating pulling out of LMP1, but haven't officially decided yet: https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/porsche-admits-decision-imminent-amid-lmp1-exit-speculation-931260/
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iospace posted:Annnnnd Porsche admits that they're debating pulling out of LMP1, but haven't officially decided yet: https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/porsche-admits-decision-imminent-amid-lmp1-exit-speculation-931260/ Toyota finally gets that Le Mans win by default 
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iospace posted:Annnnnd Porsche admits that they're debating pulling out of LMP1, but haven't officially decided yet: https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/porsche-admits-decision-imminent-amid-lmp1-exit-speculation-931260/ Porsche exits LMP1, Lexus announces entry into LMP1 to compete with Toyota
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orange juche posted:Toyota finally gets that Le Mans win by default Toyota wouldn't even get a top 5 based on this years' results
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WindyMan posted:Porsche exits LMP1, Lexus announces entry into LMP1 to compete with Toyota No LMP1 cars finish 2018 Le Mans
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financially racist posted:
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I would kind of suck if LMP1 essentially disappears before Toyota finally wins one
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Real chance of the World Championship collapsing in that case (minimum two OEMs needed to make a WC).
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So we're back to the death of the WSC in 1993? It is pretty funny since WSC died because all the OEM teams worth a poo poo moved to Formula 1, and WEC is gonna die because all the OEM teams worth a poo poo are pursuing Formula E bids.
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I don't think Porsche would pull out of WEC for Formula E. They already have Audi.
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Norns posted:I don't think Porsche would pull out of WEC for Formula E. They already have Audi. Of course they would. They're already considering pulling out of WEC early to go to Formula E. They were already heading there, but now they're considering cutting their WEC commitment short to jump to Formula E. Basically if another marque doesnt join LMP1 after the 2017 season ends, there's a non-zero chance of repeating 1993 again, because Porsche is considering exiting as early as the 2018 season. I mean, who the gently caress is there to race against? They're racing against Toyota (lol), and themselves. orange juche fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Last I heard they were looking to supply batteries? Idk I'd just like them to come to F1 and save McLaren from Honda.
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orange juche posted:Of course they would. They're already considering pulling out of WEC early to go to Formula E. They were already heading there, but now they're considering cutting their WEC commitment short to jump to Formula E. Basically if another marque doesnt join LMP1 after the 2017 season ends, there's a non-zero chance of repeating 1993 again, because Porsche is considering exiting as early as the 2018 season. They're getting clobbered by Toyota this year.
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Good to see sportscar racing still apparently cannibalizes itself at least once a decade
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Fauxhawk Express posted:Good to see sportscar racing still apparently cannibalizes itself at least once a decade WSC made it from like the 50s to the 90s intact, but yeah since the early 90s, no headlining sportscar series has lasted very long. Seriously it goes exactly like this: 1) New series announced - good initial manufacturer buy-in, along with good privateer funding because it is a new series 2) Privateers slowly fade out due to attrition/price out, weaker manufacturers pull their factory teams, due to same cost factor. 3) Series folds as the last few remaining manufacturers bail because it's too expensive to compete. orange juche fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Bold Prediction: LMP1 implodes. LMP2 simply becomes "prototype", and WEC moves to IMSA style classes
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iospace posted:Bold Prediction: LMP1 implodes. LMP2 simply becomes "prototype", and WEC moves to IMSA style classes LMP2 now is already running the same speed as LMP1 factory teams were back in 2010-2012 I think? They're faster than they've ever been, and it's not like there's no participation in lower classes, so it's not nearly as bad as the 1993 gently caress up where everyone bailed and WSC got kludged together in the US from the ground up in one off season to make sure there was something to do the following year. Also: people have been making your bold prediction ever since LMP1HY became a thing.
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Maybe Nissan will come back for another go. A showdown between them and Toyota would be cool. Short time to turn build a competitive car though...
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iospace posted:Bold Prediction: LMP1 implodes. LMP2 simply becomes "prototype", and WEC moves to IMSA style classes LMP1 isn't dead, it's the HY split that's dead if Porsche pulls out. julian assflange posted:Maybe Nissan will come back for another go. A showdown between them and Toyota would be cool. Nissan apparently has zero compunction to create a non-competitive car... If Porsche did pull out, I could see ACO caving completely to Peugeot's demands and lowering the entry requirements so that manufacturers don't have to enter P1HY in order to have two manufacturers. Also, LMP1 (and particularly LMP1HY) has never had great Manufacturer buy in, especially for WEC/ELMS. All of that is ignoring the following: 1) Porsche doesn't give a flying gently caress about WEC, only Le Mans which they're continuing to win. 2) the ACO pandered pretty hard to Porsche and are more than willing to pander even harder if that's what it takes. 3) Porsche doesn't need to build a new car until it's time to get ready for 2020. I predict they'll reevaluate it, trim the program a bit and reevaluate it but for realsies this time before 2019. Schlesische fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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If they did away with the HY split and requiring manufacturers to only enter the LMP1HY class, they would have definitely more manufacturers interested. Hybrid poo poo is cool we get it but Formula E stole your green racing thunder, ACO.
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All my sympathy for Toyota died this year Much like their cars
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CactusWeasle posted:All my sympathy for Toyota died this year Speaking of, the #8 just died on the formation lap at the Nurburgring
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Fuel pump I wonder can Buemi make it to NYC 
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Xisticide posted:Speaking of, the #8 just died on the formation lap at the Nurburgring How sad was sad grandpa the Toyota engineer?
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Sort of sad news, the Lausitzring is closing for public and racing use to become a test track for autonomous vehicles. Sucks pretty hard for DTM since that forces the 2018 season to either be a race shorter or forces them to scramble to find a track for a 9th race.
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