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This is a really stupid question that I have to ask, can the President just "have someone arrested"? e: 
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Jul 11, 2017 21:44
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mcmagic posted:There isn't going to be any bloodletting. there might https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/884867399379562496
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Jul 11, 2017 21:44
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Skippy Granola posted:This seems to have really hardened the left/right divide in America I bet you'll find that as this thing deepens that it will bring (some) people together. We're going to have to walk through fire to get there, though.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:45
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Reik posted:If McDonald's put out a tweet of Donald Trump Jr. eating a "nothingburger" with "I'm loving it!" captioned I would be so happy. I have to imagine a nothingburger would be a piece of the finest prime grade beef, seared and charred beyond recognition into a briquette of charcoal, doused in Heinz ketchup, and slapped between two awful buns. Just like Trump loves his steaks.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:45
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Tayter Swift posted:Honestly it's jarring to me that it took them a full six plus hours to come up with The Message.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:46
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cr0y posted:This is a really stupid question that I have to ask, can the President just "have someone arrested"? You need probable cause that they committed a crime. I guess he could order it anyway but then you're into dictatorship territory
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Jul 11, 2017 21:47
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I have a theory on how we ended up at Stupid Watergate. Trump and his campaign desperately wanted the deleted e-mails from Hillary Clinton's private servers and were actively shopping around for them. When the Russians came around offering Clinton e-mails, the Trump team took the meeting because they thought the Russians had the private server e-mails. They thought that if they could uncover Hillary's deleted e-mails they would be hailed as heroes regardless of the source. They thought they had acquired the smoking gun with Hillary, and that's where Trump's major announcement came from. However, since the Russians only had the hacked DNC e-mails, that plan was no good anymore. Despite the Russians not being able to deliver what the campaign actually wanted, the campaign decided hey, e-mails are e-mails and struck a bargain.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:47
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That could've been a headline every day of this administration about every story that was written about this administration.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:47
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cr0y posted:This is a really stupid question that I have to ask, can the President just "have someone arrested"? I believe that he can make a recommendation but it's the Justice department that would actually carry it out. Too bad he has pissed off every agent from coast to coast.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:47
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mod sassinator posted:I have to imagine a nothingburger would be a piece of the finest prime grade beef, seared and charred beyond recognition into a briquette of charcoal, doused in Heinz ketchup, and slapped between two awful buns. Just like Trump loves his steaks.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:48
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:You need probable cause that they committed a crime. I guess he could order it anyway but then you're into dictatorship territory Serious question, could he say the US is at war (with terrorism) and declare military law, then being the head of the military do whatever he wants? (until the tanks start circling the Whitehouse like in the Soviet Union...)
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Jul 11, 2017 21:48
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:You need probable cause that they committed a crime. I guess he could order it anyway but then you're into dictatorship territory Reminder that GITMO is still open and anyone can be sent there at any time without due process.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:48
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aware of dog posted:It's false. The new talking point is that only 4 intel agencies said Russia did it, but that includes the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, as well as the office of the DNI (which oversees all 17 intel agencies). "The number of agencies whose various heads testified to Congress that Russia did it is not 17 therefore there were never 17 intelligence agencies"
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Jul 11, 2017 21:49
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mcmagic posted:There isn't going to be any bloodletting. Depends on how stupid Jr is at this point.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:50
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Reminder that GITMO is still open and anyone can be sent there at any time without due process. Can I laugh if this all ends with Air Force One making a surprise stop to Gitmo to drop off the Trump family?
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Jul 11, 2017 21:50
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mod sassinator posted:Serious question, could he say the US is at war (with terrorism) and declare military law, then being the head of the military do whatever he wants? (until the tanks start circling the Whitehouse like in the Soviet Union...) That would require an act of congress
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Jul 11, 2017 21:51
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It's all of them, right? It can't not be all of them, at this point.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:52
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I feel like it was probably none of them, but that someone in that meeting was already being surveilled by an intelligence or law enforcement agency for reasons that were not, at that time, related to Trump's campaign. If that's the case(I'm wildly speculating, of course) then it could have come from practically anywhere.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:52
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mod sassinator posted:Serious question, could he say the US is at war (with terrorism) and declare military law, then being the head of the military do whatever he wants? (until the tanks start circling the Whitehouse like in the Soviet Union...) The President can't declare war only Congress can
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Jul 11, 2017 21:52
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UberJew posted:That would require an act of congress Didn't we pass a law that the president can go to war against al Qaeda, et. al. without Congress?
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Jul 11, 2017 21:52
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mod sassinator posted:Serious question, could he say the US is at war (with terrorism) and declare military law, then being the head of the military do whatever he wants? (until the tanks start circling the Whitehouse like in the Soviet Union...) Not without congress, and they won't go along with that. If for no other reason than it would mean they would personally lose power.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:52
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Well, here's a fun thought. Assuming Trump Jr. is brought up on charges, what are the chances he gets so scared (and forgets he has a pardon incoming because he's a dumb loving idiot) that he flips and spills a whole lotta beans? What exactly does Trump Jr. know and what would he have even been privy to at the highest levels of the campaign?
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Jul 11, 2017 21:53
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lol why in the gently caress is the science committee tweeting this lmao. gently caress this country holy poo poo.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:54
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mod sassinator posted:Didn't we pass a law that the president can go to war against al Qaeda, et. al. without Congress? no, congress gave the president authority to go to war with al Qaeda. they made it super broad and open to abuse, but it's still congress consenting to it
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Jul 11, 2017 21:54
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UberJew posted:That would require an act of congress John McCain casts his vote
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Jul 11, 2017 21:55
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paperwind posted:Well, here's a fun thought. Assuming Trump Jr. is brought up on charges, what are the chances he gets so scared (and forgets he has a pardon incoming because he's a dumb loving idiot) that he flips and spills a whole lotta beans? What exactly does Trump Jr. know and what would he have even been privy to at the highest levels of the campaign? My guess is that Trump Jr doesn't know a whole lot.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:55
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paperwind posted:Well, here's a fun thought. Assuming Trump Jr. is brought up on charges, what are the chances he gets so scared (and forgets he has a pardon incoming because he's a dumb loving idiot) that he flips and spills a whole lotta beans? What exactly does Trump Jr. know and what would he have even been privy to at the highest levels of the campaign? If he's pardoned he can also be compelled to spill the beans. In fact it arguably becomes EASIER since he can't plead the 5th anymore if he's pardoned.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:55
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mod sassinator posted:Didn't we pass a law that the president can go to war against al Qaeda, et. al. without Congress? Not applicable to a declaration of martial law across the united states unless the president is going to try and make the call that the entire american people are affiliated forces of al qaida
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Jul 11, 2017 21:56
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mod sassinator posted:Didn't we pass a law that the president can go to war against al Qaeda, et. al. without Congress? Are we talking legal or actual? There is a lot he can do if he puts the right people in the right places, but that would be above the pale of a dictatorship. https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/884877832043757568 Happening.its
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Jul 11, 2017 21:56
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Yea, technically this law hasn't been repealed yet if I read it correctly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Terrorists "On June 29, 2017, the House Appropriations Committee approved Rep. Barbara Lee’s amendment to repeal the 2001 authorization for the use of military force that was the foundation of the U.S.’s post-September 11 military actions. The amendment requires that the 2001 authorization for the use of military force be scrapped within 240 days." So Don Sr. has about 240 days to manufacture whatever reason he wants to 'go after ISIS / al Qaeda / etc.' and send the military anywhere, at home or abroad.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:57
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Goon Danton posted:It's all of them, right? It can't not be all of them, at this point. Unironically kind of rooting for it to be Bannon at this point.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:57
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mod sassinator posted:So Don Sr. has about 240 days to manufacture whatever reason he wants to 'go after ISIS / al Qaeda / etc.' and send the military anywhere, at home or abroad. Wouldn't surprise me if he just forgets the deadline at this point lol.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:58
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FoxNews.jpg of the bad photoshops of Dems during W's term. Or charts with hosed y-axis where the numbers dont even go in order,etc.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:58
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Goon Danton posted:It's all of them, right? It can't not be all of them, at this point. Have you ever seen the movie The Informant? My guess is that Trump's entire inner circle is basically Mark Whitacre.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:59
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eviltastic posted:Also, there's those pesky security clearance forms they're going to have to "amend" again. At the press briefing today, Huckabee-Sanders refused to comment on whether Kushner still has security clearance
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Jul 11, 2017 21:59
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mod sassinator posted:Serious question, could he say the US is at war (with terrorism) and declare military law, then being the head of the military do whatever he wants? (until the tanks start circling the Whitehouse like in the Soviet Union...) No to martial law, but he wouldn't necessarily need to declare martial law. (There really isn't even anything like "martial law." There are all sorts of emergency powers, but one of the outcomes of the War on Terror was the imperial presidency, where the executive was given even more vast powers over law enforcement and military action.) A probably apocryphal story is that during the last weeks of his administrations Nixon's advisers were concerned Nixon might use his position as Commander in Chief to defy an impeachment conviction by making it physically impossible for him to be removed with the help of the Army. I think a lot of people need to wrap their head around the fact that the President can do a lot of things as the head of the executive branch, and is only reined in by respect for the laws of the land, and Congress. Congress doesn't have an army. The SCOTUS doesn't have an army. There's no one who can slap his wrist and go "No, bad President." The only real tool in the arsenal is removing from office (or the 25th Amendment for certain edge cases). For example, there are multiple legal reasons why the President shouldn't be able to arrest anyone at a whim. But if the President orders the military to march into DC and arrest all members of Congress, it's up to the military to say "gently caress no" or for Congress to remove him from office (before they are arrested), or, if it goes that far, it might go down to the states for them to go "okay gently caress you and your federal government." And this is why it was deeply irresponsible of the Republican party to even nominate someone like Trump. Of course, denying him would have self-destructed the party, and they put party first. This gets into the whole mess of why primaries should and shouldn't be democratic and I'll skip that, the short version is that the primary reform of the 1970s was a solution to a problem that should have been solved by some other more sustainable way like electoral reform.
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Jul 11, 2017 22:00
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Are we talking legal or actual? There is a lot he can do if he puts the right people in the right places, but that would be above the pale of a dictatorship. Man I'm gonna wake up to like 700 new posts tomorrow aren't I.
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Jul 11, 2017 22:01
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Are we talking legal or actual? There is a lot he can do if he puts the right people in the right places, but that would be above the pale of a dictatorship. A little Putin revenge for this morning? I can dream... vvv well then Red Baron fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Jul 11, 2017 22:01
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https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/884880325670825984 i swear to god im gonna fffff
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Jul 11, 2017 22:02
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Red Baron posted:A little Putin revenge for this morning? I can dream... https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/884880325670825984
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