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These predictions come up so often that I'm sure it's just pr tactics at this point. They are good pr tactics tho, because they end up getting everybody, even racists, on board for contraception and female education programs. Accepting the prediction that Niger is going to have nearly 1 billion residents, or even just a tenth at some point in the future also requires one to make the insane assumption that mortality rates won't go back up to medieval levels as a not very rich nor food-secure country careens into malthusian apocalypse. Meanwhile ,maintaining the low mortality rates means maintaining the infrastructure for increased medical coverage, and that means that more people need to be educated, and more education has literally 100% of the time led to dramatic declines in birth rate.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:These predictions come up so often that I'm sure it's just pr tactics at this point. They are good pr tactics tho, because they end up getting everybody, even racists, on board for contraception and female education programs. Are you suggesting the UN isn't competent enough to account for the elements you bring up, or that they're somehow making up numbers as a "pr tactic" ? Honestly curious. unpacked robinhood fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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unpacked robinhood posted:Are you suggesting the UN isn't competent enough to account for the elements you bring up, or that they're somehow making up numbers as a "pr tactic" ? Honestly curious. IIRC the UN didn't really account for birth rates in the Maghreb or Brazil cratering like they did.
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blowfish posted:translation: no wildlife larger than a peccary left and people still living like poo poo as increasing levels of climate change gently caress farming
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Debate & Discussion › French Politics: Fear of a Black
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:These predictions come up so often that I'm sure it's just pr tactics at this point. They are good pr tactics tho, because they end up getting everybody, even racists, on board for contraception and female education programs. The increase isn't because the UN expects people to poo poo out a million kids each even as education and living standards improve. The increase will to a large extent happen because the very bottom heavy population pyramid just "fills up" to the top as the number of young people at any given time stays the same, but the already-existing young people get older, creating a population cylinder. Kassad posted:Debate & Discussion › French Politics: Fear of a Black I don't think that title quite reaches maximum racism. Planet of the Blacks. A Buttery Pastry posted:Yeah, we're definitely going to see the refugee flow towards Europe reaching into the high tens of millions per year at some point, even as Europe internally sees Southern Europeans looking northward for similar reasons. At least we can rest easy, knowing President Maréchal-Le Pen's steady hand will guide France through this crisis - and save Western civilization in the process. By which I assume you mean President Le Pen orders a machine gun nest every 800m on the border, with orders to shoot anyone who fails the paper bag test.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:I don't think that title quite reaches maximum racism. I certainly hope not. I wasn't going for a "ironic racism" thing at all.
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blowfish posted:By which I assume you mean President Le Pen orders a machine gun nest every 800m on the border, with orders to shoot anyone who fails the paper bag test.
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There's an article on macron coaches.quote:C’était l’un des arguments d’Emmanuel Macron pour libéraliser le transport par autocar : la promesse de créer de l’emploi en France. En juin 2015, celui qui était alors ministre de l’Economie reprenait les conclusions d’un rapport de France Stratégie qui promettait… 22 000 emplois ! tfdr: Macron ordered a study to promote his policy. They "found" it would create around 22000 jobs. Now the actual number is 1421, 60% of the seats are unused on average. I'm posting it because the study report has this graphic and it cracks me up: 
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unpacked robinhood posted:Are you suggesting the UN isn't competent enough to account for the elements you bring up, or that they're somehow making up numbers as a "pr tactic" ? Honestly curious. The UN is just takes the data we have now and projecting it to 2100. They're not the ones writing articles in the Guardian about them either. The article is written by the director of issue advocacy at the Population Media Centre, which should probably clue you in to what he's actually doing, which is trying to get more funding for family planning programs in Africa. A good thing ofc But taking these projections at face value is dumb, so you shouldn't do it either.
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Some topical music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmetwm6VWgc
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"Oh gently caress, he's so annoying! All I want is to turn workers into an oppressed caste without any rights, and there they are, bitching and nagging and causing all sort of drag. What's their deal?"
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I've seen like five different people on Facebook like/share/comment on articles about Macron being a giant racist (all in English) and blaming African women for all their woes, it's definitely taking hold on this side of the world.
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Does anyone have suggestions for reading on France's colonial history in Sub-Saharan Africa? I can find a lot on the UK's colonies, BBC documentaries on decolonization, long wikipedia articles, detailed histories of individual countries etc., but I can hardly find anything on French Africa. Like for example this wikipedia article on Senegal hardly has anything, it skips straight the year 1902 to independence in 1960. I mean Senegal was a French colony for like 300 hundred years during which distinct Metis communities formed, but there's hardly anything approachable I can find on it.
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Kassad posted:Debate & Discussion › French Politics: Fear of a Black lol
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Squalid posted:Does anyone have suggestions for reading on France's colonial history in Sub-Saharan Africa? I can find a lot on the UK's colonies, BBC documentaries on decolonization, long wikipedia articles, detailed histories of individual countries etc., but I can hardly find anything on French Africa. Like for example this wikipedia article on Senegal hardly has anything, it skips straight the year 1902 to independence in 1960. I mean Senegal was a French colony for like 300 hundred years during which distinct Metis communities formed, but there's hardly anything approachable I can find on it. I think our history in Africa can be sum up as We Came, We Saw, We hosed up. Never let us in again please, we have a problem.
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How dare you say that France ever did anything wrong in Africa? This is an insult to all those who were there, who gave their lives for their country. Ça suffit la repentance
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Flowers For Algeria posted:How dare you say that France ever did anything wrong in Africa? This is an insult to all those who were there, who gave their lives for their country. Ça suffit la repentance Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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Jul 12, 2017 08:31
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We have to stop living in the past. Specifically our terrible, terrible past and also present which thematically also fits in with the past re: exploitation of Africa. Let's never speak of this again.
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Squalid posted:Does anyone have suggestions for reading on France's colonial history in Sub-Saharan Africa? I can find a lot on the UK's colonies, BBC documentaries on decolonization, long wikipedia articles, detailed histories of individual countries etc., but I can hardly find anything on French Africa. Like for example this wikipedia article on Senegal hardly has anything, it skips straight the year 1902 to independence in 1960. I mean Senegal was a French colony for like 300 hundred years during which distinct Metis communities formed, but there's hardly anything approachable I can find on it. I don't think there's been a decent critical monograph on the French colonisation of Africa as a whole in recent years. I remember being impressed with Martin Thomas's work on the subject but it's admittedly very dry and erudite. I also really liked Lindqvist's Exterminate All the Brutes, if you haven't read it already.
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Okay, maybe we should let the pros of "colonialism was good" speak for themselves.quote:Gérard Longuet défend le bilan du colonialisme edit: the same blogging about Macron's attempt about Algerie: http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/gerard-longuet/emmanuel-macron-algerie-crime-humanite_a_21715222/ Also if you want some contemponary french bullshit in Africa, try to search about Boloré and palm oil. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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https://twitter.com/lemondefr/status/884872894026833921 Pierre Gattaz ce matin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs
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Kassad posted:https://twitter.com/lemondefr/status/884872894026833921 11 milliards what the poo poo
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Flowers For Algeria posted:~l'aventure coloniale~ Pas avec ces coupes dans le budget de l'armée.
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Squalid posted:Does anyone have suggestions for reading on France's colonial history in Sub-Saharan Africa? I can find a lot on the UK's colonies, BBC documentaries on decolonization, long wikipedia articles, detailed histories of individual countries etc., but I can hardly find anything on French Africa. Like for example this wikipedia article on Senegal hardly has anything, it skips straight the year 1902 to independence in 1960. I mean Senegal was a French colony for like 300 hundred years during which distinct Metis communities formed, but there's hardly anything approachable I can find on it. King Leopold's Ghost is about Belgian colonization, but the French pulled all the same bullshit.
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The X-man cometh posted:King Leopold's Ghost is about Belgian colonization, but the French pulled all the same bullshit. The Belgian Congo doesn't really work as a point of comparison, since the country was Leopold II's personal property (a so-called "domaine privé") rather than a dependency of the Belgian state. The whole operation was also so horrible (and incompetent) that it was heavily criticised contemporaneously -- which, considering what practices were common at the time, is saying something. Leopold eventually buckled under the international pressure and turned it into a "regular" colonial regime under Belgian rule. lost in postation fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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How the gently caress do these stupid loving clowns expect to get under the Holy 3% of deficit if they burn away eleven loving billions in gifts to the rich? They'll pretty much have to raze everything to the ground to reduce the spending by an equivalent amount -- including the army. Perhaps there'll be a military coup in reaction.
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Cat Mattress posted:How the gently caress do these stupid loving clowns expect to get under the Holy 3% of deficit if they burn away eleven loving billions in gifts to the rich?
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I'm such a gullible idiot piece of poo poo fucker that it's only now that I realize I've actually voted for the loving FN's platform in the 2nd turn of the presidential election http://www.lemonde.fr/immigration-e...01_1654200.html http://www.liberation.fr/france/2017/07/11/a-calais-quand-ils-ont-compris-que-l-eau-n-etait-pas-buvable-ils-l-ont-jetee_1583179
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Ahahahahan les sénateurs ont rejeté la mesure phare du projet de loi de moralisation politique aka les emplois familiaux chez les collaborateurs parlementaires sont toujours legaux.
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lost in postation posted:I don't think there's been a decent critical monograph on the French colonisation of Africa as a whole in recent years. The X-man cometh posted:King Leopold's Ghost is about Belgian colonization, but the French pulled all the same bullshit. Yeah thanks for the recommendations, Lindqvist's work sounds like a good place to start for just for fun reading. There's so little popular work available in my desperation I turned to whatever academic articles I could find for free, but I can only read so many longitudinal studies of economic development in French Africa by colonial subdistrict before I lose interest. I've read King Leopold's Ghost and loved it but compared to the Belgian Congo French Africa is sort of a blank page on the map of history, there just isn't much available in English. Algeria is the one exception but it seems like a very different venture from most other colonies. I was inspired to look into this subject again by this fantastic series on British decolonization called End of Empire. Anything similar for the French empire, whether in French or English? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnSCHTH0Q0A
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Toplowtech posted:Ahahahahan les sénateurs ont rejeté la mesure phare du projet de loi de moralisation politique aka les emplois familiaux chez les collaborateurs parlementaires sont toujours legaux. I'm so shocked that politicians rejected a law that would prevent them from being huge nepotists!
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HookShot posted:I'm so shocked that politicians rejected a law that would prevent them from being huge nepotists!
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The optics of stating that nepotism is all right as long as your family members actually do something aren't all that great either, though.
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lost in postation posted:The optics of stating that nepotism is all right as long as your family members actually do something aren't all that great either, though.
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I took a class on the post-colonial francophone world in college 10 years ago, but I don't remember much on Africa, just the Caribbean. Fanon worked in French government-run colonial hospitals before he became an author, I think peau noire masques blancs might have some good background info.
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