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The Maroon Hawk posted:God drat, this better get some loving traction. That is straight-up evil. Sorry, they're too busy talking about Trump tweeting a badly photoshopped wrestling match against CNN
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Bloooooock grants! Finally brownback can fix his budget.
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Azhais posted:Sorry, they're too busy talking about Trump tweeting a badly photoshopped wrestling match against CNN He's a real team player, furiously tweeting inanities to distract from what his more serious cronies are doing. I cannot believe this is accidental.
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BarbarianElephant posted:He's a real team player, furiously tweeting inanities to distract from what his more serious cronies are doing. I cannot believe this is accidental. Trump's tweets aren't distracting from anything and literally nothing he does is part of some intended plan.
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The Maroon Hawk posted:God drat, this better get some loving traction. That is straight-up evil. As of right now it is just a rumor. When it becomes actual news then it will be covered.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Bloooooock grants! Finally brownback can fix his budget. Kansas actually overrode his veto on that whole thing, too bad it's going to take probably 10 years to undo the damage he did to the state's schools
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Trump's tweets aren't distracting from anything and literally nothing he does is part of some intended plan. I guess you already forgot about the impending ACA repeal. Working as planned.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I guess you already forgot about the impending ACA repeal. Working as planned.  ok
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Rhesus Pieces posted:uuuhhhhhhhh How can this be determined by just the governor? That doesn't even sound like how things could work. As in, wouldn't this be a decision of the states legislatures? I guess it's because there's more Republican governors than Republican controlled legislatures. BirdOfPlay fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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BirdOfPlay posted:How can this be determined by just the governor? That doesn't even sound like how things could work. As in, wouldn't this be a decision of the states legislatures? I guess it's because there's more Republican governors than Republican controlled legislatures. Yeah, there's a zero percent chance that provision would survive the courts. It's absolutely because it'll be a lot easier for a term limited or outgoing governor to make that decision than a more diverse group of state senators.
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Anubis posted:Yeah, there's a zero percent chance that provision would survive the courts. It's absolutely because it'll be a lot easier for a term limited or outgoing governor to make that decision than a more diverse group of state senators. It would actually be totally fine in the courts. The Federal Government has broad authority to attach strings to Federally-funded programs. Medicare and Medicaid themselves have a similar "permanent on switch" mechanic where they are implemented once a state accepts. That's why Arizona managed to resist implementing them for almost 20 years after it was passed. Additionally, there are some restrictions about allowing the federal government to make states spend money, but there is nothing really to stop a state from deciding not to spend money. The Obamacare exchanges themselves are administered by the Governor of each state unless the state legislature overrules them or the Governor defers to the legislature. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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The American Academy of Actuaries sent a comment letter to the senate regarding the BCRA if you like reading this type of stuff. http://actuary.org/files/publications/BCRA_Comment_Letter_063017.pdf
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Looks like McConnell isn't particularly interested in Ted Cruz's end run around Obamacare regulations: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...bf47_story.html quote:McConnell is expected to place greater responsibility on Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) to pitch his controversial amendment that would allow insurers to offer plans that don’t meet ACA requirements — provided they also offer some that do. McConnell could ask Cruz to speak to Republican senators as soon as Tuesday, according to a person familiar with his strategy. Cruz has often talked about his amendment in the senators’ regular Tuesday lunches, but the burden of building support for the bill could be left to the firebrand conservative.
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Cornyn is claiming on Twitter that there will be a vote next week: https://twitter.com/JohnCornyn/status/884832267738152960 (for context, if you don't want to click through, this is correcting someone saying the vote would NOT be next week)
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Flip Yr Wig posted:And apparently McConnell is confirming it. Oh gods, if his timeline is that quick it must still be horrible and he must barely have his 50 to push it through. 
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Anubis posted:Oh gods, if his timeline is that quick it must still be horrible and he must barely have his 50 to push it through. It is still horrible but it is looking to me like that the speed is less because he thinks he has 50 and wants to force it through before he loses one, and more that he has, like, 35 and has given up and just wants to put it out there and let someone else shoot it. The current bill apparently keeps the Obamacare taxes (making a lot of conservatives go "but then what is the point?!?!?!?") but doesn't cut back on the medicaid cuts, and it's likely that Cruz/Lee aren't gettable without Cruz's amendment and his amendment is just barely more popular than he is. No guarantees, of course, but there's been nothing that suggests he's any closer than he was before.
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evilweasel posted:It is still horrible but it is looking to me like that the speed is less because he thinks he has 50 and wants to force it through before he loses one, and more that he has, like, 35 and has given up and just wants to put it out there and let someone else shoot it. The impression I've gotten is that Heller/Paul/Collins + the tug of war between the batshit Cruz wing and the """"moderates"""" are making this thing basically unworkable. Fingers crossed that I'm right.
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basically it is time to flip the gently caress out if you see any stories about amendments, agreements, people coming back on board, etc that look like building a narrative the mere fact it is coming up for a vote isn't that bad a sign because enough senators have come out against the original bill that they need cover for why the new bill is better and if that cover isn't being blasted into the news, its more likely its being set up to die
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They might be trying to do a two step deal and passing the unpalatable stuff now when they only need 50 and saving the tax cuts for later where they'll have some room to negotiate with Democratic Senators. Or they save it until next year for reconciliation. The sad thing is that in terms of overall healthcare spending, we are talking about a cut of 3% overall US healthcare spending. Low single digits. With the consequence of kicking off tens of millions from insurance. All this so they can ramrod a 4.9% income tax cut for people making over $200,000.
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Lote posted:They might be trying to do a two step deal and passing the unpalatable stuff now when they only need 50 and saving the tax cuts for later where they'll have some room to negotiate with Democratic Senators. Or they save it until next year for reconciliation. If they had 50 votes for the "unpalatable" stuff they'd only pass that and call it a day. They don't have the votes to do anything, much less pass the hardcore conservative wet dream.
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This can't be overstated: the senate GOP would pass literally anything if they could, and then blame it all on the house when the bill fails there. By not being able to pass *anything* it squarely places the blame on the senate GOP. That reality is so harsh that GOP senators are willing to consider the unthinkable by working with Democrats just to pass *anything* and then blame the house when they can't pass the same bipartisan bill.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:This can't be overstated: the senate GOP would pass literally anything if they could, and then blame it all on the house when the bill fails there. By not being able to pass *anything* it squarely places the blame on the senate GOP. Yea, but what olive branch can the GOP POSSIBLY offer? "Hey pass this obamacare repeal and we won't touch medicare?" At this point there's so much bad blood anything the GOP offers will either sink them by their own party or be too far right that the Democrats would be idiots to take it. The best they could get I guess would be "pass these rich people tax cuts and we'll give you poor people welfare"
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I figure they'll eventually come around to putting a gun to the entire country's head and basically saying "if you don't let us cut your legs off, we'll blow your brains out" by threatening to totally repeal obamacare without replacing it if they don't let them get what they want. Hopefully the democrats just say "do it then bitch" but who knows. I'm sure they'll keep trying and they will get more and more desperate and threaten to kill more and more people if they don't get their tax cuts.
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It's totally bananas because they could ensure a GOP majority for 50 years if they just did some small things to fix Obamcare: bring back the federal risk corridor contribution, get rid of the hard cliff for subsidies and phase them out slowly above 400% of the poverty line, make the subsidies more generous to Trump's new working class R voters, give states that expand Medicare in 2017 and 2018 an even sweeter deal and browbeat Republican governors into taking it, get rid of the mandate and subsidize insurers with sicker-than-expected pools to keep premiums low, and do wildly popular things like allowing drug reimportation or setting drug price controls (and tell big pharma gently caress you, what are you gonna do, support the Democrats?), and when anyone points out the deficit say "gently caress the deficit, deficits don't matter when Republicans are in charge and fixing Obama's mess". Call it the Donald Trump 2017 Total Repeal of Obamacare and Big League Replacement Act. Democrats wouldn't dare filibuster it. When Paul Ryan gave that post-election speech about how he never expected Trump to win but somehow Trump tapped into a pain that Washington never knew was there, and Republicans are going to step up and help those people, I wondered whether they might actually do something like this and win forever. But nope, just weeks later their twisted souls kicked in and they couldn't resist going full Republican and trying to deliberately murder as many poor people as possible regardless of whether they even get their tax cuts out of it.
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empty whippet box posted:I figure they'll eventually come around to putting a gun to the entire country's head and basically saying "if you don't let us cut your legs off, we'll blow your brains out" by threatening to totally repeal obamacare without replacing it if they don't let them get what they want. Hopefully the democrats just say "do it then bitch" but who knows. I'm sure they'll keep trying and they will get more and more desperate and threaten to kill more and more people if they don't get their tax cuts. Just making this threat requires relative moderates, who have already bucked at less severe plans, to suddenly come out in support of a total repeal. You don't need the Democrats to have guts, just an ability to count.
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empty whippet box posted:I figure they'll eventually come around to putting a gun to the entire country's head and basically saying "if you don't let us cut your legs off, we'll blow your brains out" by threatening to totally repeal obamacare without replacing it if they don't let them get what they want. Hopefully the democrats just say "do it then bitch" but who knows. I'm sure they'll keep trying and they will get more and more desperate and threaten to kill more and more people if they don't get their tax cuts. that was plan A, it already failed literally that was the plan: repeal obamacare like day 1 with no replacement, but with a delay and a pinky swear that they'd make a replacement before repeal took effect it died quickly and that's why ryan had to suddenly come up with "replace"
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VitalSigns posted:It's totally bananas because they could ensure a GOP majority for 50 years if they just did some small things to fix Obamcare: bring back the federal risk corridor contribution, get rid of the hard cliff for subsidies and phase them out slowly above 400% of the poverty line, make the subsidies more generous to Trump's new working class R voters, give states that expand Medicare in 2017 and 2018 an even sweeter deal and browbeat Republican governors into taking it, get rid of the mandate and subsidize insurers with sicker-than-expected pools to keep premiums low, and do wildly popular things like allowing drug reimportation or setting drug price controls (and tell big pharma gently caress you, what are you gonna do, support the Democrats?), and when anyone points out the deficit say "gently caress the deficit, deficits don't matter when Republicans are in charge and fixing Obama's mess". Call it the Donald Trump 2017 Total Repeal of Obamacare and Big League Replacement Act. Democrats wouldn't dare filibuster it. So the solution is to become nicer than the Democrats? Yeah, right. The Republicans are still arguing over whether starving the poor motivates them (consensus moving to yes.)
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VitalSigns posted:It's totally bananas because they could ensure a GOP majority for 50 years if they just did some small things to fix Obamcare: bring back the federal risk corridor contribution, get rid of the hard cliff for subsidies and phase them out slowly above 400% of the poverty line, make the subsidies more generous to Trump's new working class R voters, give states that expand Medicare in 2017 and 2018 an even sweeter deal and browbeat Republican governors into taking it, get rid of the mandate and subsidize insurers with sicker-than-expected pools to keep premiums low, and do wildly popular things like allowing drug reimportation or setting drug price controls (and tell big pharma gently caress you, what are you gonna do, support the Democrats?), and when anyone points out the deficit say "gently caress the deficit, deficits don't matter when Republicans are in charge and fixing Obama's mess". Call it the Donald Trump 2017 Total Repeal of Obamacare and Big League Replacement Act. Democrats wouldn't dare filibuster it. If the GOP added in Hillary's proposed "if your out-of-pocket expenses exceed 10% of your income you get everything above that back as a tax credit", that would make everything a lot more palatable Then on a garbage plan if you hit your yearly out-of-pocket maximum of $8000, and your income for the year was $20,000, you'd get $6000 of that back at tax time EugeneJ fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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it really looks like they're gonna pass this poo poo with the Cruz amendment, heller, murkowski and capito were silent all day yesterday. Both hall passes have been claimed. If you have a pre existing condition you cannot buy health insurance in American anymore. RIP.
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Counterpoint: https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/885900245070163969
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EugeneJ posted:If the GOP added in Hillary's proposed "if your out-of-pocket expenses exceed 10% of your income you get everything above that back as a tax credit", that would make everything a lot more palatable That's still a dogshit plan though
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Noctone posted:That's still a dogshit plan though Yeah, the vast majority of people in the situation she describes couldn't float the bill that long. Unless they schedule all their surgeries in the first week of April they'd be in collections and bankrupt long before the tax man could save them
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