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 Is there a way to send missionaries to "uncivilized" pagan nations? If so I propose we Bring the Light of Allah to the Savages. After all, the souls of the heathen are more at risk than those of our brothers of the book. If that's not possible, I support Snipee's Islamic Iberia Act, with the stipulation that we respect the rights of loyal dhimmi. Vinny Possum fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Rodyle posted:Alright, to business then. I think our strategy of creating package bills has been serving us pretty well.  Supporting this
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Jul 11, 2017 23:52
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Vinny Possum posted:Is there a way to send missionaries to "uncivilized" pagan nations? Yeah, that's not possible. The only way to convert other-religion countries is by vassalizing them, then forcing your own religion on them.
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Jul 12, 2017 00:22
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Vinny Possum posted:
You could in CK2, and they would almost always be imprisoned and killed, and sometimes eaten! I support Snipee's act. Let's do this thang.
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Jul 12, 2017 00:36
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Rodyle posted:
This sounds good.
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Jul 12, 2017 01:10
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Question Hashim, what idea groups have we chosen, and how close are we to our next one.
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Jul 12, 2017 01:20
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Rodyle posted:Alright, to business then. I think our strategy of creating package bills has been serving us pretty well. I see nothing wrong with this set of objectives. This has my support.
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Policies so far:Soup du Jour posted:It's time for Iberian Consolidation. Annex Aragon as soon as possible, and then Castile as soon as the truce ends. We need to end these minor principalities as soon as possible, and set the stage for the final confrontation over the Pyrenees. Also, France is way too strong to take on right now. Soup du Jour, Luhood. Rodyle posted:Sevila I Do Like It: Rodyle, Lord Cyrahzax, Technowolf, Bloody Pom, RZApublican, catlord, The Bold Kobold. Mountaineer posted:I propose we secure an alliance with Mali. They might be willing to help attack Morocco, so I think it's worth pursuing. While they are unlikely to be much help in any of our other wars, it can't hurt to broaden our alliance network. Mountaineer. Snipee posted:I propose the Islamic Iberia Act to finish converting the rest of Iberia over to Sunni Islam. We have made great progress in the last several decades, but we are not done yet. If we conquer any new territories on the peninsula, then we should immediately start working on enlightening them as well. Snipee, unwantedplatypus, Slaan, Vinny Possum, Ralepozozaxe.  GunnerJ posted:Proposing the Colonial Loyalty Act: Ensure by whatever means the game makes available that our colonies aren't going to suddenly declare independence should the wind change briefly. I'm assuming this doesn't count as "further colonization." GunnerJ, Mikl.  none. Proposed coalitions: League of Merchants and Jizrunid Loyalists Crazycryodude posted:Proposing the Even More Tequila Initiative, a coalition between the Merchants and the Loyalists to keep colonizing the New World, with an emphasis on forming/growing colonial nations in Central America. Merchants: Crazycryodude, Talas. Loyalists: Odysseus S. Grant.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Question Hashim, what idea groups have we chosen, and how close are we to our next one. We have Exploration, Expansion and Quality Ideas. We're 2 admin techs away from unlocking the next idea group, so it's very likely that I can get it done this session or next.
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Jul 12, 2017 01:43
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Hashim, I didn't have a chance to declare my party earlier. Is it too late for me?
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Viola the Mad posted:Hashim, I didn't have a chance to declare my party earlier. Is it too late for me? Nope, if you didn't declare for a party the reshuffling, you're free to do so.
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Jul 12, 2017 02:26
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Hashim, I should ask this in this thread. Does Morocco hold Mauritius now? If so, that means they're going to be colonizing the East Indies and Australia before too much longer.
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Jul 12, 2017 02:33
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Patter Song posted:Does Morocco hold Mauritius now? If so, that means they're going to be colonizing the East Indies and Australia before too much longer. Yep, looks like it's them. They now stretch from the Caribbean to the Indian ocean, no mean empire.
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Jul 12, 2017 02:35
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Snipee posted:
I endorse the Islamic Iberia Act. Once we eliminate the rebellious infidel, we can diversify our operations.
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Jul 12, 2017 02:53
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Morocco is going to be seriously hamstrung in V2 by only one thing: There is no Coal in the entirety of North or West Africa, with the exception of two provinces in Nigeria. There is no coal in the entirety of Brazil. There is one coal province in South Africa, pretty deep inland, and one coal-producing province in Australia. Morocco is going to have a hell of a time industrializing. It does have a leg up in that it controls Algeria, which has plenty of Iron, the other key industrializing resource.
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Jul 12, 2017 03:35
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If Morocco is sufficiently teched up at the end of EU4 they'll probably start industrialized. Plus, they'll have their hands on so many other resources that they'll probably be able to trade for whatever they need.
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Jul 12, 2017 04:22
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Sheika Rabab bint Rabab al-Majnun declares support for the Taifas and Mountaineer posted:I propose we secure an alliance with Mali. They might be willing to help attack Morocco, so I think it's worth pursuing. While they are unlikely to be much help in any of our other wars, it can't hurt to broaden our alliance network. Supports this motion, with the addendum that we should also pursue alliances with any other nation that might threaten Moroccan holdings. This includes the native powers of Gharbia.
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Jul 12, 2017 04:24
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I'm kinda torn here: I have been one of the most agressive lobbyists for war against Morocco in this thread, but Rodyle's bill already orders two other wars. I think that's a little bit too ambitious for us, at least not without more clear language to prevent any mistakes. Do we even know who Morocco's allies are at the moment? They might have sneaked in another one and make this war take longer than necessary. I also think we should make sure to attack Castille before Morocco because it's easy and pretty much guaranteed to succeed.
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Jul 12, 2017 04:25
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Ralepozozaxe posted:If Morocco is sufficiently teched up at the end of EU4 they'll probably start industrialized. Plus, they'll have their hands on so many other resources that they'll probably be able to trade for whatever they need. Ask anyone who has played a V2 game as, say, Brazil or Colombia: a lack of Coal can really hurt in the early-mid game, even if you are a civ sitting on great resources.
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Mountaineer posted:I propose we secure an alliance with Mali. They might be willing to help attack Morocco, so I think it's worth pursuing. While they are unlikely to be much help in any of our other wars, it can't hurt to broaden our alliance network. I support this measure, for Soup Du Jours proposal is redundant with several points of Rodyle's bill and we need every advantage we can get against Morocco. We cannot gently caress this up. This is our last chance to get the power to survive the big blue blob.
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Jul 12, 2017 04:44
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Mountaineer posted:I propose we secure an alliance with Mali. They might be willing to help attack Morocco, so I think it's worth pursuing. While they are unlikely to be much help in any of our other wars, it can't hurt to broaden our alliance network. Supporting this.
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Jul 12, 2017 04:58
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Patter Song posted:Ask anyone who has played a V2 game as, say, Brazil or Colombia: a lack of Coal can really hurt in the early-mid game, even if you are a civ sitting on great resources. South Africa and Madagascar have some coal, so that will help them a bit. I am sad to say I typed in Victoria 3 when I was searching for the resource map. Someday that prince will come.
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Taking proposed amendments into account: The Sevilla Do Like It 1. Terminate Aragorn immediately, should our mercenary forces be deemed sufficient for doing so, and should they be protected by no higher power. 2. Strike at the Moroccans once we have a greater army, a budget surplus, and equivalent military technology. Tangiers is to be our primary target, with secondary importance being granted to particularly juicy Qaribyan holdings and enlarging our vassal. 3. When our truce expires, if they are unprotected by any great power and our forces are deemed sufficient, terminate Castille. 4. Maintain military research, military construction, and debt payments as deemed appropriate by the Sultan to further the above goals. 5. Not a single goal on this manifesto, or on any other measures passed by this body, is to be considered an acceptable reason to provoke war with France. Don't do it. Signatories of the previous bill, for legislative ease, can probably be considered to carry over unless they say otherwise? Lord Cyrahzax posted:I would give the Sultan more freedom in eliminating Castile. When the truce ends, we strike. Soup du Jour posted:Seems like a solid plan, although I'd prefer that any war with Morocco be more targeted towards enlarging our vassal in the Maghreb. Weakening Morocco while keeping our administrative power free for Iberia would be ideal. Dance Officer posted:Don't wait till the debt is paid off. Strike Morocco when Al Andalus has a bigger army and is at least on the same mil tech, and there's a surplus in the budget. Grizzwold posted:
This is not an official legislative position, but informally, I believe I speak for all the Taifas when I say I agree with the merchants that force is likely not the best solution to colonial unrest, at least not at this stage. Perhaps we might arrange hear from colonial delegations at the next summit? A matter for the Sultan's consideration. Of course, should talk of taking up arms turn from more than just talk... Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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Crazycryodude posted:Proposing the Even More Tequila Initiative, a coalition between the Merchants and the Loyalists to keep colonizing the New World, with an emphasis on forming/growing colonial nations in Central America. Sure.
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Crazycryodude posted:Proposing the Even More Tequila Initiative, a coalition between the Merchants and the Loyalists to keep colonizing the New World, with an emphasis on forming/growing colonial nations in Central America. I support this!
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Jul 12, 2017 11:02
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Jul 12, 2017 11:13
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I, Dansar rabb al'Ustul, support this! GunnerJ posted:Proposing the Colonial Loyalty Act: Ensure by whatever means the game makes available that our colonies aren't going to suddenly declare independence should the wind change briefly. I'm assuming this doesn't count as "further colonization."
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Jul 12, 2017 11:54
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Well, it seems that Rodyle's proposition is both smart and makes mine redundant, so I rescind mine and Mountaineer posted:I propose we secure an alliance with Mali. They might be willing to help attack Morocco, so I think it's worth pursuing. While they are unlikely to be much help in any of our other wars, it can't hurt to broaden our alliance network. Support this. Mostly because the other proposal has like 10 votes so it's fine.
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Jul 12, 2017 13:35
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GunnerJ posted:Proposing the Colonial Loyalty Act: Ensure by whatever means the game makes available that our colonies aren't going to suddenly declare independence should the wind change briefly. I'm assuming this doesn't count as "further colonization." So I kinda want to rescind this because I want the coalition vote to win, but is there time to propose an amendment where the Even More Tequila Initiative includes provisions to develop and make nice with the colonies we have? It won't do any good to expand like crazy if they all up and 1776 on us.
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Mountaineer posted:I propose we secure an alliance with Mali. They might be willing to help attack Morocco, so I think it's worth pursuing. While they are unlikely to be much help in any of our other wars, it can't hurt to broaden our alliance network. Supporting this.
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Jul 12, 2017 15:35
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GunnerJ posted:
I would be interested in such an amendment.
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Jul 12, 2017 15:44
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Done.Even More Tequila Initiative Amended posted:Proposing the Even More Tequila Initiative, a coalition between the Merchants and the Loyalists to keep colonizing the New World, with an emphasis on forming/growing colonial nations in Central America.
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In light of the amendments my esteemed colleagues have made to their proposal, I withdraw my support for the Colonial Loyalty Act and I instead support the Even More Tequila Initiative (amended). Home is where the heart is, but the colonies are made of gold. And cocoa. And spices. And more.
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Jul 12, 2017 16:05
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Crazycryodude posted:Proposing the Even More Tequila Initiative, a coalition between the Merchants and the Loyalists to keep colonizing the New World, with an emphasis on forming/growing colonial nations in Central America. Supporting this.
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Jul 12, 2017 16:09
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Mountaineer posted:I propose we secure an alliance with Mali. They might be willing to help attack Morocco, so I think it's worth pursuing. While they are unlikely to be much help in any of our other wars, it can't hurt to broaden our alliance network. Supporting this.
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Seeing how Soup du Jour's "Iberian Consolidation Act" was revoked in favour of Rodyle's proposition my vote is suddenly free again. Mountaineer posted:I propose we secure an alliance with Mali. They might be willing to help attack Morocco, so I think it's worth pursuing. While they are unlikely to be much help in any of our other wars, it can't hurt to broaden our alliance network. As such I, Lutfi al-Uthman of the New Taifas, will support seeking an alliance with the West Africans. We need every ally we can get if we are to ever resist the French menace, not to mention if we want to steal the Colonies from beneath the very noses of the Moroccans. If possible I will also support Rodyle's "The Sevilla Do Like It" Act, but my premier vote is with Mountaineer in case I don't get a second one.
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There is no country called Aragorn, so item one does not actually do anything. I am opposed to any action against Morocco that doesn't include some means of insuring the French don't immediately kick down our door in the process.
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 Session closed. Passed legislation are the Sevilla Do Like It Act, Mountaineer's policy, and the joint-faction coalition Even More Tequila Initiative. Also, I'll add that from the next Majlis Meeting onward, factions with three or less members for two successive session are to be automatically disbanded. This is both to make way for potential new factions, and to prevent factions with tiny numbers from massively altering the course the sultanate takes. Rodyle posted:The Sevilla Do Like It: Rodyle, Lord Cyrahzax, Technowolf, Bloody Pom, RZApublican, catlord, The Bold Kobold. Mountaineer posted:I propose we secure an alliance with Mali. They might be willing to help attack Morocco, so I think it's worth pursuing. While they are unlikely to be much help in any of our other wars, it can't hurt to broaden our alliance network. Mountaineer, Viola the Mad, Captain Oblivious, Aeromancia, Soup du Jour, Frionnel, Grizzwold, Luhood. Snipee posted:I propose the Islamic Iberia Act to finish converting the rest of Iberia over to Sunni Islam. We have made great progress in the last several decades, but we are not done yet. If we conquer any new territories on the peninsula, then we should immediately start working on enlightening them as well. Snipee, unwantedplatypus, Slaan, Vinny Possum, Ralepozozaxe, AJ_Impy, Erwin the German. none. none. Proposed coalitions: League of Merchants and Jizrunid Loyalists Crazycryodude posted:Proposing the Even More Tequila Initiative, a coalition between the Merchants and the Loyalists to keep colonizing the New World, with an emphasis on forming/growing colonial nations in Central America. Ensure that colonial nation liberty desire stays below 50% if at all possible, and under no circumstances may it pass 75%. Merchants: Crazycryodude, Talas, Camoes, Mikl, GunnerJ. Loyalists: Odysseus S. Grant, Zakrelo.
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Hashim posted:
What of the Islamic Iberia Act?
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AJ_Impy posted:What of the Islamic Iberia Act? Oops, yeah that also passed, accidentally left it out.
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