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Grondoth posted:The error people keep trying to point out is that people seem to have convinced themselves that everyone who doesn't live in one of like 4 american big cities is a virulent, boiling racist who's hoarding guns and is just looking for a chance to shoot someone who looks just a little different than them. I agree with this post. Keep truckin'
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I live in a small American coastal city that is roughly 75% college students and run by an overwhelmingly Democratic city/state government and a whole lot of people on the Internet appear to think everyone here is racist too
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It kinda sucks that racism is both a real and extremely important problem and also the new "retard"
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loquacius posted:I live in a small American coastal city that is roughly 75% college students and run by an overwhelmingly Democratic city/state government and a whole lot of people on the Internet appear to think everyone here is racist too they are cause it's a town of special snowflakes. if you want to see a gathering of non-racist people, check out wall street
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Jul 12, 2017 21:55
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GalacticAcid posted:the focus on 'rural poor' as the agents of reaction is misguided anyway Those people are considered "urban" anyway by the census.
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Jul 12, 2017 21:56
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GalacticAcid posted:the focus on 'rural poor' as the agents of reaction is misguided anyway
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Jul 12, 2017 21:58
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everyone is racist cut the poo poo you racist
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Jul 12, 2017 22:03
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Frijolero posted:This sums up the dumb overpopulation debate that was had earlier: no it doesn't because overpopulation is far far more than just about carbon emissions it's also crowding, food supply, and governmental representation we do not need more people. there is no benefit to any one individual person for there to be 3 billion more people, unless you're one of the people at the top that will get even richer by having even more sources of labor to leech from. even with a stable global climate it's still going to be a problem
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Jul 12, 2017 22:06
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Yglesias turning left gives me pause and makes me suspect it might be wise to race to the center
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SKULL.GIF posted:no it doesn't because overpopulation is far far more than just about carbon emissions source you're quotes
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Jul 12, 2017 22:09
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UHD posted:everyone is racist racsexist
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Jul 12, 2017 22:09
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Jul 12, 2017 22:11
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most of the land is uninhabited and we got this far using only 1/3 of the arable land with laughably bad technique used on most of it BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU SHOULDNT HAVE KIDS
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lol Edit: Take that back, if the GOP would like to work on single payer with the democrats that would be perfectly acceptable 
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Jul 12, 2017 22:12
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Dairy Days posted:most of the land is uninhabited and we got this far using only 1/3 of the arable land with laughably bad technique used on most of it BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU SHOULDNT HAVE KIDS yes it is extremely important to double our suburban sprawl just for the sake of getting a high score
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Jul 12, 2017 22:12
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Can I anti-RT that I want the GOP to be eternally paralyzed by infighting until we can eventually draft a single-payer bill with their stink nowhere near it
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Jul 12, 2017 22:18
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Dairy Days posted:most of the land is uninhabited and we got this far using only 1/3 of the arable land with laughably bad technique used on most of it BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU SHOULDNT HAVE KIDS because forcing another being into involuntary sentience on a dying world in a crumbling society is deeply selfish and cruel?
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Jul 12, 2017 22:18
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The problem isn't specifically overpopulation, but sustainability of consumption and handling of waste. We're not even close to overpopulation since there is a lot of sustainability if the population spread out more. The problem however is how it spreads and how it sets up infrastructure for sustainability and waste management. Close in the future with more efficient LED Grow lights that can make a vertical building produce multiple times produce using the same land as it would've as a normal farm plot. They can use only a partial amount of the overall energy put into traditional farming (fuel costs, etc.) and be placed in both urban and rural areas as it's just a building. With a controlled environment yields would be bigger and labor would be less.
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Jul 12, 2017 22:19
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there's a big full spectrum light that turns on for free with no energy input from us every day for like 12 hours but its pretty foolish of me to expect goons to have experience with this
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Jul 12, 2017 22:21
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Turn your monitor on and use it to grow crops
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Jul 12, 2017 22:22
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*A big full spectrum light turns on over my head*
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Jul 12, 2017 22:23
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Westerners and industrialized nation-folk already have less children. So 99% of the time the overpopulation crowd is talking about brown people having less children. Now you tell me which is more logical and less problematic: A) Asking foreigners to have less children because "overpopulation" gives WASPs the vapors. B) Cracking down on pollution and waste created by MNCs and industrialized nations.
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Jul 12, 2017 22:23
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When Republicans finally accept man-made Climate Change as an existential threat their solution will be a global holocaust in the developing world.
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(TBH they'll probably get a lot of Bloomberg Democrats on board with that)
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Jul 12, 2017 22:25
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So-called "brown people" don't produce much carbon tho
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Jul 12, 2017 22:26
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Frijolero posted:This sums up the dumb overpopulation debate that was had earlier: 
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call to action posted:So-called "brown people" don't produce much carbon tho Frijolero posted:This sums up the dumb overpopulation debate that was had earlier:
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GalacticAcid posted:the focus on 'rural poor' as the agents of reaction is misguided anyway But we need their wives to win the next election 
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MizPiz posted:But we need their wives to win the next election A Panera Chicken, Kale & Sweet Potato Soup in every pot
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Jul 12, 2017 22:31
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Children in rich nations are the beneficiaries of all that industrial activity though. So what if we're below replacement rate, we should be lower
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Am I a racist?
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call to action posted:Children in rich nations are the beneficiaries of all that industrial activity though. So what if we're below replacement rate, we should be lower we absolutely cannot modify our industrial activity because:
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Dairy Days posted:we absolutely cannot modify our industrial activity because: Because it turns out people in rich nations are the reason that activity exists
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Jul 12, 2017 22:36
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Eat the rich and their babies actually
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gently caress yeah farming archologies. We're overdue for the cool parts of cyberpunk Also brown people are also having less kids
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Frijolero posted:Westerners and industrialized nation-folk already have less children. So 99% of the time the overpopulation crowd is talking about brown people having less children. I already told you the problem isn't just about pollution and waste. Why are you ignoring that, and deliberately trying to make it a racial thing? Do you think people in China or India are perfectly fine with the population numbers in their countries? More people = less effective representation in government for each individual, more people = more crowded all over the world, more people = more issues with transportation and general transit, more people = less freedom to live your way the way you want to live it. In China, a huge portion of the population have given up on ever visiting the cool parts of their country simply because there's already so many tourists (Chinese and foreign) there that the experience is miserable and not even really representative. And it doesn't even register that so many people have given up because there's enough that are willing to stick it out that they still get swarmed all the time. Double the population of North America, do you think that won't have any impact on being able to travel to places like Yellowstone and enjoy the natural beauty of the planet we live on? Either the places get ruined by the sheer amount of people there, or they become increasingly expensive to visit in an attempt to try to control attendance. You think you're already powerless and voiceless in government? That's not going to get any better if you have to compete with twice as many people. Even in a more equal system the more people there are the more expendable any one individual person becomes, that's an unfortunate fundamental.
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The casus belli for war against China in 20 years will be old school sinophobia mixed with "Well actually they're the ones causing climate change with their over-breeding and over-polluting."
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call to action posted:Because it turns out people in rich nations are the reason that activity exists mostly the ultrarich probably. you know they have bigger boats to carry around their lovely playboats? and garages with hundreds of cars they never use? not to say the average american couldn't do better in resource consumption, but i bet if you actually looked at the real resource consumption of the ultra-wealthy they'd be near the top reasons for climate change today
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And what's your solution besides "Can all y'all please have less children?  "
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*gazes upon beautiful acres upon acres marshland* Well, that was nice. Pave it over, boys! Gotta chase that high score, I'll be damned if the boomers get to keep it
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