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JaucheCharly posted:Speaking of italian, I'm looking for no-bullshit renaissance clothing. Casual stuff that can be worn for fencing or outdoors, preferably making me NOT look like a clown. Something that an italian noble would wear for sports. and you need at least a medium codpiece, depending on the time
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# ? May 31, 2017 10:28 |
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I'm not sure if I have enough time to learn/do it myself. One of the Medici (Lorenzo? Need to look that up again) collected alot of ottoman archery gear and shot, so that will be just fine.
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# ? May 31, 2017 10:53 |
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JaucheCharly posted:I'm looking for no-bullshit renaissance clothing ... preferably making me NOT look like a clown.
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# ? May 31, 2017 20:27 |
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JaucheCharly posted:Speaking of italian, I'm looking for no-bullshit renaissance clothing. Casual stuff that can be worn for fencing or outdoors, preferably making me NOT look like a clown. Something that an italian noble would wear for sports. I have either good news or bad news for you
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# ? Jun 1, 2017 01:33 |
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JaucheCharly posted:Speaking of italian, I'm looking for no-bullshit renaissance clothing. Casual stuff that can be worn for fencing or outdoors, preferably making me NOT look like a clown. Something that an italian noble would wear for sports. stop skipping leg days and get these: looks like you can also go au naturelle
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# ? Jun 2, 2017 00:40 |
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Was it unheard of for knights to take on more than one page, squire, what-have-you at a time?
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 06:13 |
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Flesnolk posted:Was it unheard of for knights to take on more than one page, squire, what-have-you at a time? No, but that would be commensurate with their own personal largesse. I've only ever heard of nobility on the scale of counts, dukes, or powerful barons having multiple pages.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:52 |
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This is probably a super basic question but: from a legal perspective, what is the difference between a prince, duke, count, baron, margrave, etc? What about from a practical perspective? When a new domain and lordship needed to be carved out, how did they decide which title to give its new lord?
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# ? Jun 17, 2017 11:03 |
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A duke rules a duchy, a count rules a county, a baron rules a barony, and a margrave rules a march. Prince can mean multiple things, but in-keeping with the rest of those, a prince rules a principality. Normally the size of the domain goes like duchy > county > barony, and then a march is sort of above county, but it's supposed to be like the border territory of the realm that the margrave looks after.
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# ? Jun 17, 2017 17:50 |
It's probably best to think about the Carolingians, where margraves are appointed to control marks, counts cities and smaller areas, and dukes to lead armies and rule large areas. These titles were not originally intended to be entirely heritable, and their land was intended to be purely in exchange for service and tied to their office, so imagine it like a system of bureaucracy that transformed itself in to a nobility because that's sort of what it is.
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# ? Jun 17, 2017 18:38 |
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So I was doing a bit of reading up on medieval cuisine, and the wikipedia article's section on caloric intake caught my attention.quote:The overall caloric intake is subject to some debate. One typical estimate is that an adult peasant male needed 2,900 calories (12,000 kJ) per day, and an adult female needed 2,150 calories (9,000 kJ).[20] Both lower and higher estimates have been proposed. Those engaged in particularly heavy physical labor, as well as sailors and soldiers, may have consumed 3,500 calories (15,000 kJ) or more per day. Intakes of aristocrats may have reached 4,000 to 5,000 calories (17,000 to 21,000 kJ) per day.[21] Monks consumed 6,000 calories (25,000 kJ) per day on "normal" days, and 4,500 calories (19,000 kJ) per day when fasting. As a consequence of these excesses, obesity was common among upper classes.[22] Why did monks eat so much more than everyone else, including nobility?
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 20:56 |
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Flesnolk posted:So I was doing a bit of reading up on medieval cuisine, and the wikipedia article's section on caloric intake caught my attention. Because they can but also Monks ended up getting a poo poo ton of food as tithes from nobles and local villages.
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 21:11 |
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Robindaybird posted:Because they can but also Monks ended up getting a poo poo ton of food as tithes from nobles and local villages. Beer as well.
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 21:28 |
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Lmao 4500 calories a day when fasting
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 21:43 |
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I hope God appreciates me only using ONE stick of butter in this alfredo sauce
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 21:44 |
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HEY GAIL posted:can you sew Don't worry, he'll be fine with a small
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 21:48 |
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Disinterested posted:It's probably best to think about the Carolingians, where margraves are appointed to control marks, counts cities and smaller areas, and dukes to lead armies and rule large areas. These titles were not originally intended to be entirely heritable, and their land was intended to be purely in exchange for service and tied to their office, so imagine it like a system of bureaucracy that transformed itself in to a nobility because that's sort of what it is. I really appreciate this answer, I didn't realize they started out as nonhereditary.
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Pharmaskittle posted:I hope God appreciates me only using ONE stick of butter in this alfredo sauce Reminds me of the scene in The Caine Mutiny when they're providing bombardment for an amphibious landing and their minds turn to the men on the ground while getting their ice cream so they put a bit less sprinkles on it.
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 22:06 |
Elyv posted:I really appreciate this answer, I didn't realize they started out as nonhereditary. Feudalism is a contested and loaded term, but to the extent you can explain it simply in France and Germany, it's about the development of a system of land distribution based on office holding to administrate the Carolingian Empire in to something more proprietary as the imperial systems fold inwardly. It should also be noted sons got the offices a lot of the time, but that it formally isn't hereditary. Disinterested fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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# ? Jun 18, 2017 22:19 |
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Greetings Medieval History thread! I'd like to invite you to visit BFC to participate in Ye Olde Bad With Money Tournamente. Please share your tales of Flemish traders gambling away their fortunes, Italian city states signing disastrous trade deals, and Germans uhhhhh spending way too much money on these newfangled book things?
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 05:26 |
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"The Fourth Crusade" And if you use a comma, it works pretty well for the Venetians (booo.) Bad, with money.
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:08 |
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How did the Medieval Italian city-states govern their countryside?
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 23:48 |
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"Nice crop you got here. Would be terrible if you came down with a case of cross bolt poisoning."
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 01:12 |
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Hogge Wild posted:How did the Medieval Italian city-states govern their countryside? Not very nicely.
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# ? Jul 1, 2017 00:53 |
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I've been looking for documentaries to watch and keep me occupied on as much of the medieval world I can get my hands on. But I can't find a damned thing on the Holy Roman Empire. There's plenty on the early Franks, Clovis and the reign of Charlemagne but after that it's a total dark age until the Habsburgs, which at that point is more than just the HRE! I have enough French and English history to keep me occupied until the end of time, but nothing east of the Rhine! Hesitant to take youtube docs that aren't professionally produced seriously, they often have very unsubtle ethnic and political biases. Hell even finding things to watch on the Byzantines and Moorish Spain was easier than this! There's plenty of lectures, but I find they can be dry, and I like those for other specific times. And it'll break the immersion I'm in going from the dawn of civilizations through contemporary times! So, there must be some titles out there that someone can recommend?
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SeaWolf posted:I've been looking for documentaries to watch and keep me occupied on as much of the medieval world I can get my hands on. The Reichskammergericht is handling a DMCA claim on all worthwhile HRE videos at the moment. You can expect a resolution by at least 2550
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# ? Jul 12, 2017 23:23 |
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Pharmaskittle posted:Lmao 4500 calories a day when fasting lmao, a McDonald's double cheeseburger, large french fry, and chocolate milk shake combined are only 1540 calories
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SeaWolf posted:I've been looking for documentaries to watch and keep me occupied on as much of the medieval world I can get my hands on. It's one of those things that it's just easier to read about than anything else because it's a fairly niche interest. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0184v2j http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b047c312 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07z6vzq http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0832rmz http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00548cz http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0038x8z Here would be some places you could get small snapshots.
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bedpan posted:Reichskammergericht Gesundheit! Disinterested posted:It's one of those things that it's just easier to read about than anything else because it's a fairly niche interest. Thanks for this. You're totally right from what it seems... Too long a timeframe for a fragmented 'empire' with too many things going on to focus on any single overarching theme... Shame, because it seems like it would be perfect for some sort of episodic series focusing on different parts of the German states and why it took a millennium for them to unify. Work has been stupid slow the past couple weeks, visual documentaries over podcasts and audio keep me from ADD'ing too much during the day!
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# ? Jul 13, 2017 01:11 |
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SeaWolf posted:why it took a millennium for them to unify.
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HEY GAIL posted:don't assume that the things that happened in other places were the teleology toward which all european states had to tend and that there was something deficient about the Empire for not doing that Sure, but asking the question 'why did the empire do this when all its neighbors did that" is still valid question. You don't need to be stirring tea leaves looking for a Sonderweg to ask why Germany didn't look like France, England, or Poland.
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# ? Jul 13, 2017 17:22 |
Assuming that unification is "natural" and treating the HRE not unifying as a bad thing is wrong. Asking "why didn't the HRE unify, it seemed to be the trend of other states" is fine. Although "unification" is a pretty hazy concept in itself - the UK was pretty much always more unified politically that most of Europe, for a long time when it was just England still.
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# ? Jul 13, 2017 18:00 |
There are other problematic assumptions there as well. Until Philip II, kings of France look like a joke compared to German kings, effectively exercising zero authority in France beyond symbolism and some church appointments. The counts of Toulouse could think of themselves as kings in their own kingdom. Likewise, Italy and Spain aren't exactly unitary either, and just because you have a unitary kingdom, doesn't mean it's centralised. Also some early German kings (Ottonians) are extremely strong because they still have power over the German church untrammeled by the Pope, and there are other highs and lows for German kings all the way through (compare Barbarossa to Louis the Bavarian).
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# ? Jul 13, 2017 18:59 |
Contrary to how a lot of people conceptualize it I think the idea that the Empire is an Empire of many states is fairly late.
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# ? Jul 13, 2017 19:07 |
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Disinterested posted:There are other problematic assumptions there as well. Until Philip II, kings of France look like a joke compared to German kings, effectively exercising zero authority in France beyond symbolism and some church appointments. The counts of Toulouse could think of themselves as kings in their own kingdom. Likewise, Italy and Spain aren't exactly unitary either, and just because you have a unitary kingdom, doesn't mean it's centralised. Also some early German kings (Ottonians) are extremely strong because they still have power over the German church untrammeled by the Pope, and there are other highs and lows for German kings all the way through (compare Barbarossa to Louis the Bavarian). Sure, but there is still a period of centralized state building that goes on in the late medieval and early modern period in many places and not in others. Trying to suss out why some developed one way and others another is perfectly fine and doesn't need to have a normative component.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Sure, but there is still a period of centralized state building that goes on in the late medieval and early modern period in many places and not in others. Trying to suss out why some developed one way and others another is perfectly fine and doesn't need to have a normative component. Sure, I wasn't addressing the teleological one, just the comparative one, and also touching on the fact the trends are very nonlinear in medieval Germany. In 1000 France looks like the basket case monarchy and Germany looks like a relatively centralised monarchy, particularly since the questioner left off at the end of the Carolingians.
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