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Focacciasaurus_Rex posted:Berserkers can, and should, use the Aegis Shield to prevent petrification. You should have one from the moore forest, but if you don't there's another in a chest somewhere if you missed it. As an added bonus you can give someone Thief Knife, one mob in that room in the Pyramid (Zephyrus I think) has Elixir as a rare steal as well as a drop.
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Coco Rodreguiz posted:What's the best weapon for my blue mage? Excalipoor/gobpunch, chicken knife/gobpunch, Gaia hammer, something I don't know? Chicken knife/gobpunch doesn't work, because it uses the base stats.
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agradine posted:So I'm stuck on NED. My party is Black Mage, Monk, Beastmaster, and Berserker. Playing on Mobile so !Releasing for 9999 to all 4 parts is out. You're just getting unlucky with White Holes, I think. In the million attempts I had this year with my first party I'd have fights where all he did was WH over and over again and then I'd have fights where he never cast it. Sam is right, always Hermes Sandals. A few other tips: -The Grand Cross piece is vulnerable to Paralyze, so set the Beastmaster to whipping him. It has a weird kind of script and I think it can be interrupted if he keeps getting paralyzed. -The Berserker will be locked onto the Physical piece, so just let him go to town. Just concentrate on the Almagest piece with Flares or boosted -agas (I don't remember which does more damage, but don't worry about MP costs since you'll be dropping Elixirs on your BM constantly). You should expect to have to survive at least two, maybe only one if you get really lucky with keeping the BM off the floor. -After the Tree is down and NED comes out, move the Monk to the back row and just let him heal. If everyone's topped off, he can throw out some Flares, but otherwise he should be chucking and chucking only. -Save the lamp until the end. You have to burn down Almagest as fast as you can, and the Berserker makes it impossible to spread damage out between Physical and Grand Cross. So there's really no way to spread damage if you want to survive. It sucks having to deal with high level black magic but it's single-target and thus the easiest thing to deal with. -I'd grind in the Chain Tower on Level Trickers for Elixir drops. You're going to need a lot of them. I'd start the conversation at 25. You don't need to overdo it, though: you're either going to win within 30 Elixirs or you're not going to win at all. I don't know that you need to grind so high that your BM can survive an Almagest, but you do probably want your Beastmaster to be able to so that you have two people to get everybody back up and running.
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Coco Rodreguiz posted:What's the best weapon for my blue mage? Excalipoor/gobpunch, chicken knife/gobpunch, Gaia hammer, something I don't know? chicken knife always has an attack of 0 with goblin punch
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Jul 13, 2017 02:46
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Holy crap, what level do I need to be to beat Sol Cannon with Geomancers and Bards?!
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purkey posted:Holy crap, what level do I need to be to beat Sol Cannon with Geomancers and Bards?! Low to mid 20's. Sit in the front row and stab away. Bring a lot of Elixirs
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Jul 13, 2017 06:07
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Well I got it down about 30 elixirs later gently caress this
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purkey posted:Well I got it down about 30 elixirs later gently caress this you could do it without elixers by just letting all but one character who has !hide die, and just alternating hiding from surge beams and shanking it it takes a while though. regen from mighty march speeds things up slightly by letting you skip a !hide cycle every once in a while
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Jul 13, 2017 06:29
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Bufuman posted:Went with Chaos for my third run. So far my first two jobs are Ninja and Ranger. Earth job is Mystic Knight. Earth job LISTENED. AH HA HA HA HA HA. Well, that clears my worries about whether or not I'll be able to take down Omega (granted, I would've likely been able to do it whatever my 4th job was, but it would've taken a lot more turns and patience and luck). Though now Shinryu might be a concern, what with no method of berserking him (though I can at least Dark Bow blind him). I suppose I'll just have to damage race him, but that's ALSO going to be tricky with no Dragon Lances or Apollo's Harp, plus I'll need Coral Rings so no Haste either.
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you cant wield dragon lances, but you could still !throw them if you wanted to go through the effort of farming up 5-6 of them
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Been busy over the last few weeks but i finally picked up my run at the earth crystal and got my fourth job: a third berserker. Now running with 3 zerkers and a summoner. 
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Focacciasaurus_Rex posted:Berserkers can, and should, use the Aegis Shield to prevent petrification. You should have one from the moore forest, but if you don't there's another in a chest somewhere if you missed it. Yeah, the other Aegis Shield is in Istory Falls, which is locked off by Fork Tower. Don't bank on getting the second Aegis if you have more than one berserker. Instead, you can thief knife extras (albeit slowly, they're the rare steal) off of Gorkimeras at the bottom of the Rift. It's tedious, but not more tedious than trying to beat rugwizard with zerky.
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Jul 13, 2017 15:34
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purkey posted:Holy crap, what level do I need to be to beat Sol Cannon with Geomancers and Bards?! Any level, because !Hide completely trivialises the fight.
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fits posted:you could do it without elixers by just letting all but one character who has !hide die, and just alternating hiding from surge beams and shanking it Forgot about !Hide completely, yeah that makes that fight a joke. Do you even need to leave anyone out there to get hit by the beam? Why not let everyone dodge it? Does it need a valid target to fire and reset its charge counter?
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Jul 13, 2017 17:42
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KataraniSword posted:Yeah, the other Aegis Shield is in Istory Falls, which is locked off by Fork Tower. Don't bank on getting the second Aegis if you have more than one berserker.
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agradine posted:Forgot about !Hide completely, yeah that makes that fight a joke. Do you even need to leave anyone out there to get hit by the beam? Why not let everyone dodge it? Does it need a valid target to fire and reset its charge counter? Nope! Quad !Hide is hilarious and makes a mockery of Sol Cannon.
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KataraniSword posted:Instead, you can thief knife extras (albeit slowly, they're the rare steal) off of Gorkimeras at the bottom of the Rift. It's tedious, but not more tedious than trying to beat rugwizard with zerky. (omniscient with quadzerker is worse) e: see below, it's actually worse 
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IIRC, the Thief Knife has a 1/3 chance to use !Mug instead of attack, but stealing only has a 40% chance of succeeding without the Thief's Gloves. So the chance of getting an Aegis Shield on any given attack is 1/3 * 4/10 * 10/256 = 1/192. Pretty drat bad.
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Samuel Clemens posted:IIRC, the Thief Knife has a 1/3 chance to use !Mug instead of attack, but stealing only has a 40% chance of succeeding without the Thief's Gloves. So the chance of getting an Aegis Shield on any given attack is 1/3 * 4/10 * 10/256 = 1/192. Pretty drat bad. That is correct.
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Jul 13, 2017 20:56
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Chipping away at Adamantoise for 33 damage at a time while he hits you for 450 is terrible though. gently caress Amadantoise.
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Jul 13, 2017 21:55
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Bout to kill NED, anyone know off the top of their head what part is almagest on iOS? My google-fu is weak.
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Nasgate posted:Bout to kill NED, anyone know off the top of their head what part is almagest on iOS? My google-fu is weak. NED parts shouldn't change across versions? Use this: https://sites.google.com/site/mega64sa/ff5/ff5-boss-guide tl,dr: the bottom right part
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There's something wonderful about three time mages and their geomancer buddy just quad spamming !Gaia
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purkey posted:Holy crap, what level do I need to be to beat Sol Cannon with Geomancers and Bards?! Doesn't !gaia always use Wind Slash in that fight too? Which is actually a really good attack.
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Man with Hat posted:Doesn't !gaia always use Wind Slash in that fight too? Which is actually a really good attack. A mediocre attack that Sol Cannon is immune to.
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dis astranagant posted:A mediocre attack that Sol Cannon is immune to. Okay, yeah, if Sol cannon is immune to it, that makes it a mediocre attack.
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Okay Final Fantasy Five Friends, I'm at the end with Thief-Knight-Geomancer-Dragoon. Here's what I'm thinking: Thief: CK mugging Knight: Two-handed Excaliburing Geomancer: Aegis Shield item flinging (literally not attacking) Dragoon: Dragon Lance jumping Strategy: the Dragoon just keeps jumping on the Grand Cross piece to hopefully interrupt its script so it never casts. I think he only needs to land on him 7 times total and I think he'll reset after 3 or 4 jumps. So if I can get there before the first Almagest I think I'm safe from Grand Cross. The Knight and Thief will concentrate on the Physical piece and we'll just let Almagest do its worst--I'll try to have the Dragoon in the air but he could tank it anyway. If I can get the Physical piece down before the third Almagest, I think I'm golden, but even if it does happen I'll be okay with some luck. No matter what, I'm saving the lamp for the last attack. Alternate strategies I've considered: -Giving everybody Jump: try as I might, I have really had trouble getting jump timings down in this run, and trying to queue everybody up to do it right means I'm not attacking when I need to be attacking. The Knight and the Dragoon can take it and you never know, maybe I'll get a block with the Geo (note: I have never, ever seen Almagest get blocked in the three years I've been playing this game and I'm not 100% sure that's not a Matrix change). If I find I can't keep the Thief up off the floor at all, though, I might move her into the back row and have her CK jumping instead of mugging, but that would really slow me down. -I am debating whether or not to give the Knight Two-Handed. It might be better to fight a battle of attrition with this team instead of try to burn down as fast as I can. -I could theoretically switch things around and try to burn down Almagest instead of Grand Cross. I think I'm sort of irrationally afraid of Grand Cross after a three-zerk party--it can certainly be bad but it's not nearly as devastating when I can control four party members. But I really don't like randomness. I'd rather know what's coming. If I went this way, I'd probably nuke the Magic part with the lamp right off, then burn down Almagest, then try to balance out Grand Cross and Physical. So. Thoughts?
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OzFactor posted:-I am debating whether or not to give the Knight Two-Handed. It might be better to fight a battle of attrition with this team instead of try to burn down as fast as I can. With that team lineup I'm not sure what else you would use, aside maybe from !Gaia with an Air Knife? But even still, I'd just use Two-Handed, since you can always slip an Aegis Shield on and off as needed (and all you lose is the bonus from Two-Handed temporarily while you have a shield on).
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Give your healGeo an Air Knife just in case, since it's 100% Wind Slash vs NED so its appreciable DPS when free.
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Okay, got him. My first attempt we got straight up destroyed (didn't help that the Tree got a Meteor off that killed everybody but the Dragoon who was in the air, so he died and switched to NED while I had three dead) so I went with option number two: kill the back and try to kill Almagest first. I got some good Grand Crosses but there were quite a few times where I barely scraped by. It was a long, long fight. I was trying to keep track of damage but I killed the Alma piece when I got it to where I thought it had 15000 hp left... are we sure Matrix NED isn't different? I feel like getting it off by 5000 or so would not make me question it, but that's a pretty big swing. Oh well. On to the next run!
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Monk-Black-Beastmaster-Knight with a fifth job. Just to clarify: the fifth job replaces the Earth job, right? So I will replace Knight?
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OzFactor posted:Monk-Black-Beastmaster-Knight with a fifth job. Just to clarify: the fifth job replaces the Earth job, right? So I will replace Knight?
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White/chem/thief/? So far. I don't know what game is gilgabot is playing at, but this is so far a rather slow first world.
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I got Red Mage as my Earth Job...but it's gonna get replaced when Krile tags in. This might be one of the best Jobs in this circumstance, because it's quite useful at the start of world 2 (though it'll tamper off before Galuf's death, admittedly) and I will never feel the temptation to grind for Dualcast!
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Nasgate posted:White/chem/thief/? So far. I don't know what game is gilgabot is playing at, but this is so far a rather slow first world. I would recommend stealing a Lamia's Tiara while you're in Ronka, just in case that ? turns into Dancer. Worst case, it's a nice helm for your White Mage. E: And it applies to the Dancing Dagger, so you could go for a physical Chemist busting it out I guess? 
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Nasgate posted:White/chem/thief/? So far. I don't know what game is gilgabot is playing at, but this is so far a rather slow first world. So you unlocked Chemist as soon as you got access to Turtle Shells... seems like a good thing? Last year I had Chemist for Wind in one of my runs and it was pretty much cake.
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Just did my first ever triple crown with knight/time mage/ranger/chemist. This team is custom built to steamroll the entire game and I'm thankful after years of putting up with monks, dancers, geomancers, and red mages
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This was a few days ago but I just wanted to thank you this! Any excuse to make these goon threads feel like more of an event is really great.
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I'm considering Gil Turtle just for "fun", basically, as I might have a good team to actually do it. Still not quite there, though. Team is Knight (to Cover), White Mage (for Blink), Geomancer (for Cave-ins) and Red Mage (for, uh, Blizzaras?). I will need a source of Float; is there something available in W2? If not, I can scratch the plan anyway. Apart from that, each Cave-in makes it counter twice, so four Turtles in a row. It's possible even when forgetting about Blink, as I just tried, but maybe not the ideal attack to hope for. Any ideas? Also, is Red Mage useful or should I see what my fifth Job is first (very probably)?
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