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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

got any sevens posted:

it sure is a good thing cavemen waited to climb down from the trees until they invented the tractor

It sure is a good thing there were 7 billion cavemen all able to sustain themselves by hunting and gathering

Like, did you not read my first post on the subject? If we stop farming billions of people will die by starvation because that's the only reason we have enough food to feed all these people

Global warming will kill a lot of people but anarcho-primitivism might actually kill more

In the aforementioned Talking Heads song, they have something for dinner because they caught a rattlesnake

do you think there are enough rattlesnakes on Earth to feed all the humans once we stop growing potatoes

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Zhulik
Nov 14, 2012

The Montreal Star
the galaxy brain take wrt bad dems losing elections is that it's extremely good for everyone

the democrats get to keep claiming they're better than republicans without having to fail to back it up
the left gets to keep dunking on the democrats with powerful twitter owns for being poo poo at getting elected
the republicans get to stay in power

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015
The midterms will probably determine the tone of 2020 but if 2020 is run on Russia it's going to signal imo a doubling down of the right wing dems going even further right. Like unironically saying "Reagan was a centrist" right.

Also regarding the anarcho-primitivist thing last page: Earth had a population of something like 60 million when our ancestors were all hunter gatherers. Even pre-modern agriculture worldwide had a carrying capacity of something like half a billion at best.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Nonsense posted:

Ossoff losing was funny, not necessarily good or bad.

the best part was the guy in a much tougher district in south carolina who did way better than ossof with zero support

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Agnosticnixie posted:

Also regarding the anarcho-primitivist thing last page: Earth had a population of something like 60 million when our ancestors were all hunter gatherers. Even pre-modern agriculture worldwide had a carrying capacity of something like half a billion at best.

It'd be even lower if we switched back now, because (a) we've already decimated a lot of wildlife habitat, and (b) in the process of failing to avoid starving to death, the 7 billion people already on Earth would basically strip all that's left completely clean of edible matter before resorting to cannibalism

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

Shear Modulus posted:

after four years of trump, the rich suburban moderate persuadable republicans that surely exist and aren't entirely made up will certainly vote for hillary this time.

no they actually did vote for hillary, because the moderate republicans became democrats years ago

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

deadgoon posted:

no they actually did vote for hillary, because the moderate republicans became democrats years ago

None of the people who defected because of the Tea Party voted for Hillary though

My dad was a Republican his whole adult life up until he voted for Obama twice, has said he couldn't really ever see himself voting Republican again with the crazies they've been fielding, and he left the President field blank on his 2016 ballot because he also hates Hillary Clinton

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

The thing people never tell you about the Great Leap Forward is that China had mass starvations nearly every generation because of their feudalism farming, and they haven't had that issue since.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


https://twitter.com/elizabethcatte/status/885555228417957891

all loving lanyards must loving hang

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

zegermans posted:

The thing people never tell you about the Great Leap Forward is that China had mass starvations nearly every generation because of their feudalism farming, and they haven't had that issue since.

ditto for feudal russia vis-a-vis the soviet union tbh

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

the whole thread is infuriating but not surprising

https://twitter.com/elizabethcatte/status/885276178780651520

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012



this rules

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

GalacticAcid posted:

cuomo is gonna be in jail before 2019

i heard he torpedoed his investigation somehow. either way i don't think it will stop him

to quote the nyc thread, he is a spite-based lifeform

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

logikv9 posted:

the nyc thread

the best thread on these forums imo

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


https://twitter.com/ByYourLogic/status/885561103933112320

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


https://twitter.com/bentarnoff/status/885154916829765632

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008


it's hard to tell who's objecting to what because this is a tweet of a screenshot of a retweet of a tweet of a screenshot of an article

but I think the people being told to bend the knee are centrists

and I have no idea how Marcus H. Johnson jumped from there to racism except that he really really wanted to

especially since "you must bend the knee" is what the left has been told for decades

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


quote:

In another era, such an assault might’ve proven fatal. Fortunately, social media gave Corbyn’s supporters a powerful weapon. Banished from the public sphere, they built one of their own. They didn’t merely use social media – judging by the number of tweets and Facebook engagements, they dominated it. Pro-Labour memes, slogans, videos and articles saturated online networks. Some were funny, such as a viral video of Corbyn extemporaneously eating a Pringle. Others were serious, drawing on independent leftwing outlets such as Novara Media to advance an analysis of austerity’s corrosive effects on British society. Together they made millions of people feel connected to a common project. They made Corbynism feel like a community.

quote:

After all, social media’s defining trait is its capacity to connect like-minded people. It follows that the communities it creates vary widely by the kind of people being connected.

But this aspect of social media is also what makes it useful for today’s socialists. Bubbles can be beneficial. They can provide an emerging movement with a degree of unity, a sense of collective identity, that helps it cohere and consolidate itself in its fragile early phases.

Of course, movements can’t stay bubbles if they want to win. They have to move from the margins to the mainstream. But social media is the soil where they can begin to take root, where they can cultivate a circle of allies and agitators who will carry their ideas out into the wider world. And this is good for democracy, because it enables genuinely popular political alternatives to emerge. It weakens the power of elites to police the limits of political possibility, and amplifies voices that could not otherwise make themselves heard.

Instead of sealing people off into echo chambers, social media can serve as a stepping stone for movements that aspire to achieve mass appeal. Just because social media helps midwife a movement doesn’t mean that movement is fated to insularity. Labour began its campaign trailing the Tories by more than 20 points. In seven short weeks, the party’s activists pulled off the most dramatic turnaround in modern British history. Powered in large part by social media, they closed the gap quickly enough to wipe out the Conservative majority. Labour now enjoys an eight-point lead in the polls – a stunning reversal from a few months ago.


Wow, CC it's like I told you months and months ago

We need to tap into the people who don't vote:

quote:

The prospects for turnout-driven victories are even greater in the US, where political alienation is particularly pronounced. Only 55.7% of the voting-age population cast ballots in the last presidential election. Given these numbers, the model of an electorate split down the middle, locked into their irreconcilable Facebook feeds, is misleading. You can’t have a country divided in half when half the country doesn’t vote.

These are the people that the rising American left must win if it wants to replicate the success of its British comrades. Non-voters already form a natural constituency for progressive politics: they tend to be younger and poorer, and broadly support redistributive policies. But organizing this silent social-democratic majority will require more partisanship, not less.

Tepid centrism will not politicize people who believe that politics has nothing to offer them. Only a strongly defined alternative can. Social media offers a way to articulate that alternative, and to push it into public view. Tweets alone won’t put socialists in power. But given the scale of the left’s ambition, and the obstacles arrayed against it, they’re not a bad place to start.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

I give Venom Snake poo poo but I don't think he needs to hang.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Feldegast42 posted:

Ossoff losing was good and showed the Panera strategy for what it was

If we won that seat it would have validated the centrist strategy, holding the seat would do nothing short term in congress, and we would probably lose it again in 2018 anyways when the national Ossoff strategy crashed and burned :lol:

Thing is is that the same mindset experts that heralded shifting to the right to tap into some mythical pool of six figure earners that just waiting for slightly smaller tax cuts and being a little less racist still are claiming that's the One True Path. The core of the problem, and the reason they desperately cling to this strategy is this is who the Democrats want to be. The acceptable bigots. The woke oligarchs. The compassionate fascists. They want to continue funneling money up towards the rich while the rest of the country rots but do it slower and be nicer about it. They want to shave off enough of the Republican base so that they don't have to even pay lip service to helping minorities or the poor ever again.

No amount of reality will push them away from this because this is who they want to be. I just wish I knew what to do about it.

UHD
Nov 11, 2006


corby got mad twitter game

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
https://twitter.com/bayofarizona/status/885547995655098368

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Je suis sally yates

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
ahaha lmao this emoticon would own
https://twitter.com/Gus_802/status/885529545771814913

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

its almost as if a certain political machination in america stifled their potential to engage with that sort of dialogue :thunk:

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
When ur a lib everything is a racsexist, Russian, or both.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/885566676808478722

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Thoguh posted:

I give Venom Snake poo poo but I don't think he needs to hang.

He cast off his lanyard.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Naomi Klein and The Absolute Boy talking about Bernie :vince:

I'm rock hard

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

https://twitter.com/elizabethcatte/status/885540380770435072


WOAH we got a badass over here!

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006


"That explains why neither of us broke 50% in our elections"

UHD
Nov 11, 2006



but is one of them a political science degree

and are they lawyers

if not then :frogout:

Serf
May 5, 2011


alternet writers with some bad takes today lol

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

loquacius posted:

None of the people who defected because of the Tea Party voted for Hillary though

My dad was a Republican his whole adult life up until he voted for Obama twice, has said he couldn't really ever see himself voting Republican again with the crazies they've been fielding, and he left the President field blank on his 2016 ballot because he also hates Hillary Clinton
:nallears: Typical Bernie Bro

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


loquacius posted:

this is a tweet of a screenshot of a retweet of a tweet of a screenshot of an article

https://twitter.com/ByYourLogic/status/885570224543731712

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
well, it's more coherent than the centrist agenda, so....

https://twitter.com/allanbrauer/status/885547950511869952

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
Better than this agenda.

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/885541188245364736

UHD
Nov 11, 2006


I'd vote for poop-on-balls pig over most pols today

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Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Zhulik posted:

the galaxy brain take wrt bad dems losing elections is that it's extremely good for everyone

the democrats get to keep claiming they're better than republicans without having to fail to back it up
the left gets to keep dunking on the democrats with powerful twitter owns for being poo poo at getting elected
the republicans get to stay in power

Pretty bad for poor, lgbt and minority people though.

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