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"Hey, I'll pay three times your asking price for that cow if you teach me how to stun and kill it."
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nachos posted:Does zuck just randomly roll up to farms and ask to eat dinner with the family? How does this work? his people vet you and ask you if you want to have a billionaire come over and cater dinner at your house and then if you agree they tell you that you just got zucked https://twitter.com/EliStokols/status/885161014848888833 Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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80% of that has to be Zuck practicing being personable in weird stilted conversations with "real" Americans or whatever.
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pangstrom posted:80% of that has to be Zuck practicing being personable in weird stilted conversations with "real" Americans or whatever. It's like the world's greatest experiment to see if tech bros can learn empathy. Or at least fake it enough to succeed in politics.
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Well, Donald Trump is a moron and lacks empathy but he's fine at schmoozing. I might be even worse at it than Zuck is, I suppose, but then again I would never say "gently caress it I'm going to try to explore running for national office anyway".
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Faraday Futures, conceived as a Tesla-killer, is having problems. https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/10/15948976/faraday-future-halts-factory-nevada-cash-woes quote:What’s clear is that while Faraday Future has managed to stay out of the headlines these past few months, the company clearly has yet to recover from the setbacks it suffered leading up to and immediately proceeding CES in January 2017. Mounting debts, unpaid bills, supplier lawsuits, and financial mismanagement have all served to chip away at Faraday Future’s foundation. The FF91’s embarrassing onstage malfunction made it the laughing stock of this year’s CES. The company lost several top executives, including its “global CEO” associated with LeEco (currently undergoing its own financial crisis).
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Noggin Monkey posted:Faraday Futures, conceived as a Tesla-killer, is having problems. If they fail, i guess Tesla can swoop their good engineers up.
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I sure would love to read the list of things that average americans aren't allowed to say or do around zuck and are probably forced to sign something stating they won't.
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Jul 13, 2017 23:18
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Noggin Monkey posted:Faraday Futures, conceived as a Tesla-killer, is having problems. Just goes to show, trying to kill someone that's already trying to kill a shitload of other companies and not succeeding? Probably means you've picked the wrong business at the wrong time.
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FilthyImp posted:I did t hear about their CES malfunction. What happened? kinda dull https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/4/14162994/faraday-future-malfunction-self-park-ces-2017
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Does Soundcloud fall into this category? https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/12/soundshroud/ "Some of SoundCloud’s offices had catered lunches twice a week and had lavishly stocked kitchens and bathrooms, according to a source. When team members joined, they were given company swag, headphones and brand new Apple laptops. Employees were confused how the company was “blowing through money, but now is saying they don’t have any money. People would have made sacrifices, to be honest. It’s a fun company to work at, but there was no indication.” A core question from staff during the all-hands was why there wasn’t transparency into the finances or a strict hiring freeze. The message from management was that a hiring freeze would show weakness and lead to people asking questions. That wasn’t satisfying when the company ended up shedding almost half its staff."
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sleep with the vicious posted:"Some of SoundCloud’s offices had catered lunches twice a week and had lavishly stocked kitchens and bathrooms, according to a source. When team members joined, they were given company swag, headphones and brand new Apple laptops. Employees were confused how the company was “blowing through money, but now is saying they don’t have any money. People would have made sacrifices, to be honest. It’s a fun company to work at, but there was no indication.” It's all about convincing investors that they might be missing out (rather than that they're the company's last desperate hope).
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Regarding SoundCloud, this Hacker News thread is an interesting read because it features former employees posting anonymously about what they though went wrong. According to the employees in that thread, there were major issues with work culture differences between people hired from different countries/backgrounds and management preferred to bury their heads in the sand than try to take on instituting a more uniform culture within the company.
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So what happens to all the stuff on Soundcloud when it goes under? Disappears into the void?
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:So what happens to all the stuff on Soundcloud when it goes under? Well Archive Team has an updated page on it, so they're getting ready to have a user-done archive of everything on there. That's likely to miss any private/unlisted type tracks unless SoundCloud starts actively cooperating with them of course. http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=SoundCloud
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Mr.Radar posted:Regarding SoundCloud, this Hacker News thread is an interesting read because it features former employees posting anonymously about what they though went wrong. According to the employees in that thread, there were major issues with work culture differences between people hired from different countries/backgrounds and management preferred to bury their heads in the sand than try to take on instituting a more uniform culture within the company. So they should have fired more people for bad culture fit?  I've read the thread, and my biggest take away is the first complaint of the first poster: quote:nobody there could figure out a product definition nor a monetization plan.
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blowfish posted:I wouldn't be surprised if at least the boss lady hadn't. You probably believe in your own bullshit if you're not just a pampered tween, but a ~special~ And she's not going to learn any lessons from it because she's already rich, so she'll be just fine and probably wind up sitting on some boards, doing some investing, etc. especially given her family's extensive military-industrial-intelligence complex connections. Hell, some companies will be eager to have her on their board.
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Pretty sure soundcloud was the dog chef and dog butler company.
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sleep with the vicious posted:The message from management was that a hiring freeze would show weakness and lead to people asking questions. (Note that Larry Ellison's Oracle used to ship unreadable tapes when they couldn't solve a bug inside a deadline; the time to ship the tape, get back "We can't read this", say "Oh, it was fine when we left here", gave them enough extra time to maybe ship the fix. This isn't new.)
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Wait am I not going to be able to listen to free electronic music on soundcloud at work anymore? Guess I'll use... mixcloud...
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Arsenic Lupin posted:That, right there. That is what is wrong with the unicorn culture. The sense that you're dancing across an invisible net of other people's belief in you, and that if they stop believing, everybody falls to an icy death. Wow oracle stole my strat for buying more time to write papers in college?
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Arsenic Lupin posted:That, right there. That is what is wrong with the unicorn culture. The sense that you're dancing across an invisible net of other people's belief in you, and that if they stop believing, everybody falls to an icy death. Oracle has a history of playing fast and loose with the rules, and it's been said before but Ellison is so famously an rear end in a top hat that someone wrote a book about it.
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fishmech posted:Well Archive Team has an updated page on it, so they're getting ready to have a user-done archive of everything on there. That's likely to miss any private/unlisted type tracks unless SoundCloud starts actively cooperating with them of course. As I mentioned in the PYF Companies Circling The Drain thread they're probably not going to be able to get all of Soundcloud due to how much it would cost the Internet Archive to host all that material (around 1 petabyte): https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/885527796583284741 At the very least they'll probably get a subset of the content, but all of it is unlikely unless the IA can fundraise enough to cover those costs.
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how the christ did soundcloud stay operational for this long while having to host a goddamn petabyte
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A big flaming stink posted:how the christ did soundcloud stay operational for this long while having to host a goddamn petabyte 
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What does "forseeable future" mean in that context? 1 month? 6 months? A year?
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A big flaming stink posted:how the christ did soundcloud stay operational for this long while having to host a goddamn petabyte I am sure they had the $100k they need for that. The twitter guy is taking out of his rear end.
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When the Internet Archive quotes a hosting cost, they mean an up-front cost that should let them host that blob of data in perpetuity. I think at one point they were citing that $1K up front would let them host 1TB forever.
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eschaton posted:When the Internet Archive quotes a hosting cost, they mean an up-front cost that should let them host that blob of data in perpetuity. I think at one point they were citing that $1K up front would let them host 1TB forever. This. Basically, how much it would cost to fund an endowment which would sustain the hosting costs indefinitely (including the bandwidth costs to transfer the data, storing two copies of the data at all times, migrating it to new hard drives every few years, the datacenter space and electricity, all the people who need to maintain all these servers, etc.). Also, Jason Scott is an IA employee and Brewster Kahle is the IA's founder so they know what they're talking about.
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BabyFur Denny posted:I am sure they had the $100k they need for that. The twitter guy is taking out of his rear end. Lol yeah why don't they just pop down to Best buy and get a bunch of externals? loving idiots
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Mr.Radar posted:As I mentioned in the PYF Companies Circling The Drain thread they're probably not going to be able to get all of Soundcloud due to how much it would cost the Internet Archive to host all that material (around 1 petabyte): Archive Team operations don't rely on the Internet Archive itself to be able to host their projects, though they'd always prefer if that becomes possible. Like other big projects, they would initially rely on a bunch of volunteers with lots of home and business storage spare, while a more permanent solution is sought. As well as providing as much of it as possible through giant torrents.
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A big flaming stink posted:how the christ did soundcloud stay operational for this long while having to host a goddamn petabyte A petabyte is not as much data as you apparently think it is for a relatively large scale internet business. I'm sure that was a relatively small percentage of their overall costs. Back of the envelope calculation: storing a petabyte of data on AWS S3 and Glacier (as I believe they do) is roughly $25k a month. Not chump change, but it's not going to kill the business either.
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Anyone see the NYT article about the "thankless" job of being the next Uber CEO? Yes millions in compensation is thankless. I like the paper but they suck off the rich too much.
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Mr.Radar posted:As I mentioned in the PYF Companies Circling The Drain thread they're probably not going to be able to get all of Soundcloud due to how much it would cost the Internet Archive to host all that material (around 1 petabyte): There's a Company death watch thread? Do you have a link?
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axeil posted:There's a Company death watch thread? Do you have a link? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3762804
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Steve French posted:A petabyte is not as much data as you apparently think it is for a relatively large scale internet business. I'm sure that was a relatively small percentage of their overall costs. Back of the envelope calculation: storing a petabyte of data on AWS S3 and Glacier (as I believe they do) is roughly $25k a month. Not chump change, but it's not going to kill the business either. $25k/mo = $300k/yr Put $2 million into an endowment calculator for 100 years. You're only looking at being able to give/spend around $80k in the first year. I'm sure they're probably getting a better deal on the hosting than the regular commercial AWS price, but when you're setting up endowments that are going to last long into the future, a lot of money doesn't go as far as you'd expect (until you are much further in the future).
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LanceHunter posted:$25k/mo = $300k/yr He's talking about for SoundCloud themselves, right now. Not the Internet Archive attempting to set up a permanent collection of SoundCloud, which wouldn't use AWS in the first place except for caching.
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Just for fun:Wikipedia posted:
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LanceHunter posted:$25k/mo = $300k/yr
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