F1 2017: yellow, the color of that great American dish, macaroni and cheese

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Autech: Jun 6, 2008; The Brazilian Legkick Machine

monkeytennis posted:

Oh dear.

Fernando Alonso's McLaren faces Silverstone grid penalties

http://bbc.in/2tjc6Hd

"Alonso and team-mate Stoffel Vandoorne had already amassed a total of 110 grid-place penalties even before the Silverstone weekend as Honda struggles to get to grips with F1 technology."

Maaan!? That is insane.

# ? Jul 13, 2017 23:29

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# ? May 25, 2024 16:28

Human Grand Prix: Jan 24, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

I'm no longer surprised.

# ? Jul 13, 2017 23:52

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

So here's my thing. The 2016 engine, while underpowered compared to Mercedes, Red Bull, and Ferrari, was at least powerful enough to secure regular points and not blow up. Hell, Stoffel made points filling in for Nando in his first race. I understand the need for the split turbo, but good gods this is bad.

# ? Jul 13, 2017 23:57

Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

Honda is so loving bad

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:02

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Norns posted:

Honda is so loving bad

I really don't get it though. How is HPD doing so well yet Honda of Japan so terrible? Like, they scored PENSKE for their DPi project. That's a huge deal. Michael Shank is taking the NSXes to the top step in IMSA's GTD class (GT3). Their Indy engine has enough power in it that it managed to defeat the Penskes at Road America, a track where they weren't just expected to win, but take the first four spots wholesale.

And you look at their F1 effort and wonder what went wrong.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:10

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Are you able to add "and Honda" at the end of the thread title?

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:12

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

You Am I posted:

Are you able to add "and Honda" at the end of the thread title?

You tell me.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:15

Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

iospace posted:

I really don't get it though. How is HPD doing so well yet Honda of Japan so terrible? Like, they scored PENSKE for their DPi project. That's a huge deal. Michael Shank is taking the NSXes to the top step in IMSA's GTD class (GT3). Their Indy engine has enough power in it that it managed to defeat the Penskes at Road America, a track where they weren't just expected to win, but take the first four spots wholesale.

And you look at their F1 effort and wonder what went wrong.

Honda Indy also apparently found and fixed the issue they had leading up to and at Indianapolis.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:19

hunnert car pileup: Oct 28, 2007; the first world was a mistake

iospace posted:

Did F1's equiv of Crapwagon die or something?

Autosport boards look like they're still kicking so no.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:22

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Norns posted:

Honda Indy also apparently found and fixed the issue they had leading up to and at Indianapolis.

Yup! While powering Scott Dixon to the top step at Road America no less.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:27

Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

The world's most boring racer

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:28

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester: Oct 3, 2000

Not to mention Honda motorcycles have been competitive in top level bike racing for like 30 years straight. I hope Kevin Cameron lives long enough to write a book with insider knowledge about the tragic and laughable Honda F1 development 2015-2017

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:32

Human Grand Prix: Jan 24, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

HRC and HPD are separate divisions.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:34

Carth Dookie: Jan 28, 2013

Get the MotoGP Honda guys to do the F1 engine. They seem to know what they're actually doing and can build engines that can survive cartwheeling down the road a a couple hundred kph. Couldn't do worse than the current dudes in charge.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:40

Human Grand Prix: Jan 24, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

They let the Motorcycle guy design the 2007 and 2008 cars and look how that turned out.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:45

Khablam: Mar 29, 2012

Palmer somehow fails to finish an iPhone game

(that reaction game)

Obviously Verstappen wins given equal equipment.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:48

Carth Dookie: Jan 28, 2013

Human Grand Prix posted:

They let the Motorcycle guy design the 2007 and 2008 cars and look how that turned out.

Yeah they pulled out just as they came up with a winning chassis.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 00:53

AgentJotun: Nov 1, 2007

Myrddin_Emrys posted:

I remember it gave Brundle a huge self righteous boner which he tugged for
months to anyone that cared.

To be fair to Brundle though, he had been on about recovery vehicles/marshalls in runoff areas for like 20 years.

Ofcourse there were 2 big factors in play during Bianchi's incident, the other being that up till that race a yellow flag did not mean 'slow down and drive cautiously', it meant 'drive almost as fast as you were, just make sure its a tenth or two slower.'

Call me a heartless bastard who wants drivers to die if you must, but I really don't like the halo/shield idea at all. If the FIA properly police yellow flags and car recovery, I think the current risk (very low) of head damage is acceptable.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 01:35

Dirt Road Junglist: Oct 8, 2010; We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Carth Dookie posted:

Get the MotoGP Honda guys to do the F1 engine. They seem to know what they're actually doing and can build engines that can survive cartwheeling down the road a a couple hundred kph. Couldn't do worse than the current dudes in charge.

It's also a nigh-unrideable firebreathing beast at the moment. I mean, I guess that's better than, "We tested one cylinder in isolation, that's a wrap, right?"...but only marginally.

That said, HRC is definitely doing more right more consistently than HPD.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 03:18

Carth Dookie: Jan 28, 2013

I think Alonso would steer the car with his unrelenting erection to a WDC if the motor in the back of his car was as comparatively reliable and powerful as Marcquez's Honda, twitchiness be damned.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 03:29

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

The only real knock on HPD in recent years was the Indy aerokit, which is hot garbage compared to Chevy's.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 03:31

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester: Oct 3, 2000

Carth Dookie posted:

I think Alonso would steer the car with his unrelenting erection to a WDC if the motor in the back of his car was as comparatively reliable and powerful as Marcquez's Honda, twitchiness be damned.

The Honda must have some issues if Marky Mark can't win races with it, he's basically the fastest guy ever to sit on a thing. But to be fair it's been a strange season so far, the most competitive bikes seem to be last year's Yamaha and last year's Ducati.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 03:36

Carth Dookie: Jan 28, 2013

Marc's problem seems to be the tyres. Specifically the front. He can't seem to pull up sideways like he normally does and the lack of feel is causing crashes (because like gently caress he'd slow down just because he's uncertain about what's going to happen when he grabs the anchors obviously). He seems to be getting better though.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 03:44

F1DriverQuidenBerg: Jan 19, 2014

iospace posted:

So here's my thing. The 2016 engine, while underpowered compared to Mercedes, Red Bull, and Ferrari, was at least powerful enough to secure regular points and not blow up. Hell, Stoffel made points filling in for Nando in his first race. I understand the need for the split turbo, but good gods this is bad.

The issue is that the 2016 concept essentially relied on the turbo turning faster than the other engines. They put a limit on the max rpm for the turbos this year, so even if they wanted to go back to the 2016 engine it'd produce less power than last year and be a dead end development wise.

Edit: *Peter Windsor, practically in tears* "Why won't the media recognize all the things Lewis does do for the fans??"

F1DriverQuidenBerg fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Jul 14, 2017

# ? Jul 14, 2017 04:19

Theophany: Jul 22, 2014; SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO

2022 FIA Formula 1 WDC

Myrddin_Emrys posted:

Jesus loving christ, since when did the worst thread turn into conspiracy theory central? Leave that poo poo at the tin foil hat sites.

You need to free your mind bro.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:05

Xisticide: Nov 27, 2005

iospace posted:

The only real knock on HPD in recent years was the Indy aerokit, which is hot garbage compared to Chevy's.

Their last P2 car was also aerodynamically garbage.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:30

mrfart: May 26, 2004; Dear diary, today I
became a captain.

iospace posted:

I really don't get it though. How is HPD doing so well yet Honda of Japan so terrible? Like, they scored PENSKE for their DPi project. That's a huge deal. Michael Shank is taking the NSXes to the top step in IMSA's GTD class (GT3). Their Indy engine has enough power in it that it managed to defeat the Penskes at Road America, a track where they weren't just expected to win, but take the first four spots wholesale.

And you look at their F1 effort and wonder what went wrong.

Penske is the funniest name ever to me. I thought about buying a t-shirt of them.
But then again, walking around in Flanders with something that says 'little blood sausage' might be a bit weird.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:51

track day bro!: Feb 17, 2005; #essereFerrari; Grimey Drawer

When I think of Penske I always think of Seinfeld and George working on the Penske file. But there is some tenuous link there because Jerry Seinfeld is a massive Porsche fan irl.

After searching apparently he owned a Penske liveried 917 and a 718 driven by Penske, which is cool as h*ck.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 09:18

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

I don't think I can take crofty this weekend banging on and on about Lewis while they roll out Hill and his horrible opinions, C4 it is.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 09:40

track day bro!: Feb 17, 2005; #essereFerrari; Grimey Drawer

I'm not going to watch any F1 this weekend because I hate british people and I hope every british and australian person dies the most bruatl death ever.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 09:48

Falken: Jan 26, 2004; Do you feel like a hero yet?

So, the shield system looks neat, but how will they keep it clean? Tearoffs for pitstops (not ideal considering how few pitstops there are in F1 and if the track conditions are dusty/dirty and or rainy), a mantatory wiper system...?

# ? Jul 14, 2017 09:53

track day bro!: Feb 17, 2005; #essereFerrari; Grimey Drawer

Falken posted:

So, the shield system looks neat, but how will they keep it clean? Tearoffs for pitstops (not ideal considering how few pitstops there are in F1 and if the track conditions are dusty/dirty and or rainy), a mantatory wiper system...?

Very carefully haha

# ? Jul 14, 2017 09:55

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

Jenson's going to be on C4 for this weekend.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 10:03

enri: Dec 16, 2003; Hope you're having an amazing day

Falken posted:

So, the shield system looks neat, but how will they keep it clean? Tearoffs for pitstops (not ideal considering how few pitstops there are in F1 and if the track conditions are dusty/dirty and or rainy), a mantatory wiper system...?

As far as rain is concerned, I think the cars will be going fast enough for it to not be a problem - they deal with rain on their visors well enough

I think the FIA need to bring along a large bridge to every race, this bridge sits across the track and blasts out water from high pressure jets - insta-clean every lap!

# ? Jul 14, 2017 10:10

track day bro!: Feb 17, 2005; #essereFerrari; Grimey Drawer

learnincurve posted:

Jenson's going to be on C4 for this weekend.

Sounds terrible, who'd want to watch that shithouse.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 10:13

ilmucche: Mar 16, 2016; What did you say the strategy was?

enri posted:

As far as rain is concerned, I think the cars will be going fast enough for it to not be a problem - they deal with rain on their visors well enough

I think the FIA need to bring along a large bridge to every race, this bridge sits across the track and blasts out water from high pressure jets - insta-clean every lap!

Easy there, Bernie.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 10:13

NtotheTC: Dec 31, 2007

enri posted:

As far as rain is concerned, I think the cars will be going fast enough for it to not be a problem - they deal with rain on their visors well enough

I think the FIA need to bring along a large bridge to every race, this bridge sits across the track and blasts out water from high pressure jets - insta-clean every lap!

Bernie foresaw this years ago, this is his sprinkler system's real purpose.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 10:14