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Criterion should go back to collecting music videos, too. Michael Bay would be the perfect subject for that.
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I mean say what you will about Micheal Bay but he is influential. I don't like him at all but you can see his influence in every single blockbuster for the last 20 years or so.
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Basebf555 posted:It's worth remembering that Bay's reputation before and after he stepped into the Transformers franchise are very different. Or maybe Bad Boys II was that tipping point, but either way, at the time Criterion put out The Rock and Armageddon opinions on Bay were much less "he's a cancer on the medium of film", and a lot more "he's the wave of the future and he makes the over the top roller coaster rides that people want to see". I dunno, Armageddon got absolutely savaged by the critics when it came out. That animal cracker scene became instantly infamous.
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Toebone posted:Beating a dead horse, but I'm a million times more likely to throw on my copy of The Rock then ever watch Tiny Furniture again. Absolutely, I have a whole shelf of balls to the wall action movies and when I want something to watch after work I tend to reach for something there a lot more often than I go for something like Fanny & Alexander or Solaris, as much as I love them and enjoy them when in the proper mood.
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Jul 13, 2017 16:48
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I dunno, Armageddon got absolutely savaged by the critics when it came out. That animal cracker scene became instantly infamous. Didn't Pearl Harbor get thrashed by critics?
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MacheteZombie posted:Didn't Pearl Harbor get thrashed by critics? oh big time, that was after Armageddon though. and I think a lot of critics did admit to liking the actual Pearl Harbor bombing set-piece, whereas most reviews for Armageddon said that even the action sucked due to the editing style.
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Jul 13, 2017 16:55
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MacheteZombie posted:Didn't Pearl Harbor get thrashed by critics? I mean, they've all been thrashed by critics, I don't know if The Rock was even popular with the critics. With Bay it's kinda tough to pinpoint when exactly audiences started this love/hate relationship they have with him. At the time Transformers was lauded as something of an impossible magic trick, Bay had somehow taken this kids toy franchise and made it into a kick-rear end action movie. I don't remember people being down on the franchise until the debacle that was Revenge of the Fallen. Same with Pearl Harbor, it certainly wasn't beloved, but I saw it with a few friends in the theatre and we didn't hate it. We didn't love it either, but we'd gone in pretty excited because up to that point Bay had always delivered. The first time Bay hosed with both critics AND general audiences is probably The Island. That's the first time he showed a chink in his armor.
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I dunno I remember the first transformers being on of the worst movie experiences of my life.
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Jul 13, 2017 17:09
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The_Rob posted:I dunno I remember the first transformers being on of the worst movie experiences of my life. Good for you I guess, but I'm just telling you that the general reaction to Transformers was very positive.
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Jul 13, 2017 17:11
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Parallax posted:the idea that criterion only puts out the best and most important films is also stupid. it's all about marketing, the deals they can make, and whoever works at criterions personal taste Not only that, some movies will inherently sell more copies than others. Criterion wouldn't be able to afford an Apu Trilogy restoration without popular movies like Armageddon or The Graduate to bring in cash.
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Basebf555 posted:The first time Bay hosed with both critics AND general audiences is probably The Island. That's the first time he showed a chink in his armor. Haha of course my fav Bay is the one trashed by everyone. Uncle Boogeyman posted:oh big time, that was after Armageddon though. and I think a lot of critics did admit to liking the actual Pearl Harbor bombing set-piece, whereas most reviews for Armageddon said that even the action sucked due to the editing style. Sorry was more adding to the point that pretransformers Bay still got hammered by critics.
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The Island is the first Bay I ever saw, and hoo boy is a drive-in where the sound is at best a car radio not the best context for a Bay movie.
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Jul 13, 2017 18:07
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The_Rob posted:I mean say what you will about Micheal Bay but he is influential. I don't like him at all but you can see his influence in every single blockbuster for the last 20 years or so.
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Criterion's always had the reputation of skewing toward arthouse poo poo, but their reputation as the predominant arbiter of the film canon is really something that developed after the transition to DVD. Back in the laserdisc days the connotation of the Criterion label was more along the lines of what Arrow is today---that is, producers of high-quality special editions and that kind of thing. More of a if there's an edition by them it's the one you want then if there's an edition by them it's a Big Important Film To Take Seriously or whatever the gently caress. Although Arrow is pretty genre-specific, and Criterion never was. But when Criterion put out, I dunno, Ghostbusters (1984), The Princess Bride (1987), the Python films, RoboCop (1987), the Bond films, or The Prince of Tides (1991) I don't think anyone really felt the need to interpret their release as a referendum on the contemporary film canon. They were just popular films getting a nice release. And of course Armageddon (1998) got a Criterion laserdisc release (the highest released LD spine number, in fact). And I think to some extent the changing perception of Criterion owes a lot to the changing demographics. If you owned a LD player in the years before they became a retro technology you were almost certainly a hobbyist, enthusiast, or however you want to say it. The best selling LDs of all time (Fantasia (1940) and Terminator 2: Judgement Day (1991)) moved about 250,000 copies. On DVD and/or blu a popular Disney film moves tens of millions of copies. Frozen (2013) sold around a million copies the first week it was available. The reason I bother to point all that out is that Criterion reaches a much, much larger audience now then they used to, just because of the proliferation of the home video media they work in---back in the LD days, if you knew who Criterion was you were almost certainly an enthusiast, kind of like you're way more likely to know about Arrow if you're an enthusiast. But now you're pretty likely to know Criterion if you're just a random person who's even vaguely interested in film. And if you're just a random person and look at a list of Criterion releases you're more likely to think hoo boy that's a bunch of arty poo poo. Or whatever. I also think the perception gets amplified by the segregation of part of their stuff off onto the Eclipse label, which I think nurtures the idea that the Criterion is elite and exclusive or whatever. Like the stated purpose is to release inexpensive bare-bones releases and it totally makes sense to make that a separate thing when a big part of your schtick is deluxe releases with lots of extras. But when anthologies of genre potboilers (like the Shochiku and Nikkatsu Eclipse sets, which for the record I adore) get released on the off-brand label I think it encourages the idea that the Criterion label is only for the very best stuff or whatever.
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Jul 13, 2017 21:36
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A Married Couple absolutely deserves the deluxe blu-ray treatment.
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MacheteZombie posted:Didn't Pearl Harbor get thrashed by critics? No, that was the Japanese
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Jul 13, 2017 22:40
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Filmstruck is great because they can put up films with no good film elements or minimal marketability out there with extras and an HD master.
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Jul 13, 2017 22:54
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How are the extras on filmstruck? Any commentaries? Might consider it now.
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Jul 13, 2017 23:42
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Not every movie has extras but the ones that do get pretty much everything that was in the disc release. It's a really good service but make sure it's on a device you use before you sub.
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Hector Beerlioz posted:How are the extras on filmstruck? Any commentaries? Might consider it now. They usually include the commentary if there's one on the disc version One big plus is that they have some OOP titles like Grand Illusion with the Criterion extras, including the commentary. Mainly because they worked out a deal with StudioCanal directly for streaming, while Lionsgate still has US disc rights.
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Jul 14, 2017 02:22
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Man I got Shudder this year and don't wanna pay for another streaming service but dang if this isn't tempting
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I would totally get Fimstruck if they had a PS4 app.
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SubG posted:Criterion's always had the reputation of skewing toward arthouse poo poo, but their reputation as the predominant arbiter of the film canon is really something that developed after the transition to DVD. Back in the laserdisc days the connotation of the Criterion label was more along the lines of what Arrow is today---that is, producers of high-quality special editions and that kind of thing. More of a if there's an edition by them it's the one you want then if there's an edition by them it's a Big Important Film To Take Seriously or whatever the gently caress. Although Arrow is pretty genre-specific, and Criterion never was. But when Criterion put out, I dunno, Ghostbusters (1984), The Princess Bride (1987), the Python films, RoboCop (1987), the Bond films, or The Prince of Tides (1991) I don't think anyone really felt the need to interpret their release as a referendum on the contemporary film canon. They were just popular films getting a nice release. And of course Armageddon (1998) got a Criterion laserdisc release (the highest released LD spine number, in fact).
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Jul 14, 2017 02:58
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Xenomrph posted:I'm not familiar with Arrow, what are they?
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The_Rob posted:I would totally get Fimstruck if they had a PS4 app. Yup, this is basically the only thing holding me back at this point.
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Jul 14, 2017 03:21
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SubG posted:I'm not sure if this is a joke I'm not getting but they're a British label that does fancy releases of films, predominantly cult/genre stuff. Not joking, I genuinely hadn't heard of them. So they do special editions like Shout Factory does? You said they're British, does that mean they only release stuff in region B/2?
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Xenomrph posted:Not joking, I genuinely hadn't heard of them. So they do special editions like Shout Factory does? They've branched out into region one stuff, although there are still a fair amount of R2 exclusive titles. They're even higher quality than Shout Factort stuff in my experience, more extras and really stunning transfers.
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Jul 14, 2017 03:38
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Xenomrph posted:Not joking, I genuinely hadn't heard of them. So they do special editions like Shout Factory does? The only reason I thought you might be joking is because I'm surprised any CineD regular wouldn't have heard of them. They're not exactly a household name, but if you're into horror, giallo, poliziotteschi, and so on you're likely to run into them because they've been putting out a lot of stuff that isn't available otherwise, or is only available in a completely dire form. They're not exclusively horror and so on, but most of their other releases are also stuff with niche/cult appeal (like e.g. Fukasaku's Battles Without Honor and Humanity films).
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Jul 14, 2017 04:45
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That's awesome, I'll have to look into their stuff. Thanks for the tip!
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The_Rob posted:I dunno I remember the first transformers being on of the worst movie experiences of my life. Lucky you. For me it was the second one.
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Jul 14, 2017 05:26
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Cacator posted:Lucky you. For me it was the second one. I decided after the first one to never watch another transformers movie again.
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Jul 14, 2017 05:35
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Get the drat Raid movies on criterion. Also put out a John Carpenter box set. And Charlie Kaufman. e: and the goddamn Coens!
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I ended up going in on Kuroneko and The Island of Lost Souls today. I've seen the later, and it's an absolutely tremendous film. Very disturbing. I had no idea the director of Kuroneko was the same as Onibaba. The latter wasn't at the store I went to, nor was Branded to Kill.
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Jul 14, 2017 06:16
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I'm British and the only reason I know all about Arrow and their greatness is because of this thread  otherwise they'd just be "the dudes who did that Decalogue set I want"
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In general, alternative DVD labels are coming up in a big way, at least as far as cinephiles are concerned. In the ol' exploitation film thread we had a checklist of distributors and despite the fact that they obviously dealt with a much greater trash-to-art ratio than Criterion, nowadays there's a lot more crossover then you'd think. I got the Arrow release of The Beast, and it's basically a Criterion release in all but name only.
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There is an Arrow Video thread around these parts, and if you haven't blown your entire cash pile yet, their sale starts on the 19th.
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Jul 14, 2017 15:15
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Looking at their catlogue, I can't really see myself buying a Vinegar Syndrome release, but I admire what they do.
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MacheteZombie posted:There is an Arrow Video thread around these parts, and if you haven't blown your entire cash pile yet, their sale starts on the 19th. US or U.K.? I picked up their Bride of Re-Animator and Dead-End Drive-In releases today at Fopp and the packaging is stellar.
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