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I lost it when he bit through the banana.
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Baloogan posted:bernie sanders hasn't made a sandwich for himself in decades im glad i spent money so bernie could visit the pope and also i didnt give bernie any money
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Jul 14, 2017 07:39
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if you subscribe to chapo all your money goes to bernie for his next cabin
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Jul 14, 2017 07:40
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u knoew its called a cuckshed in the lingo of the times
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Jul 14, 2017 07:41
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Baloogan posted:fair weather socialist nothin wrong with living in california 
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Jul 14, 2017 07:42
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Rainy Boys of Socialism
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Jul 14, 2017 08:09
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Baloogan posted:bernie sanders hasn't made a sandwich for himself in decades He's just a dem soc which by definition is a form of liberal. So I could care less what he does
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Jul 14, 2017 12:14
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Larry Parrish posted:He's just a dem soc which by definition is a form of liberal. So I could care less what he does what definition of liberal are you using
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Jul 14, 2017 12:36
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Jul 14, 2017 12:47
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Jul 14, 2017 13:01
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Enjoy posted:what definition of liberal are you using The correct definition. Liberals can decry the inequality of capitalism and suggest universal provision of things without being socialist.
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Jul 14, 2017 13:04
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dont even start you commie dorks
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Jul 14, 2017 13:05
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namesake posted:The correct definition. Liberals can decry the inequality of capitalism and suggest universal provision of things without being socialist. but what is the correct definition?
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Jul 14, 2017 13:06
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no room for such nerdery in my socialism!
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Jul 14, 2017 13:06
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Enjoy posted:what definition of liberal are you using one in which the irony poisoning has become so intense that u literally can't imagine a form of socialism that doesn't include brutal, arbitrary repression
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Jul 14, 2017 13:07
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jarofpiss posted:dont even start you commie dorks
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Jul 14, 2017 13:11
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Enjoy posted:but what is the correct definition? Of liberal? A philosophy based on the Enlightenment concepts of individual rights and principles of individual freedom and equality in law. It was a step up from monarchy but Marx's investigation and later the field of sociology have shown its many failings and flaws philosophically and in practise, hence socialism not making the same mistakes and centring itself around humanity as it exists, in groups and born into situations beyond any individual control based on the economic conditions and class structures. jarofpiss posted:dont even start you commie dorks Gentlemen you can't discuss socialist theory here, this is the LF thread!
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Jul 14, 2017 13:16
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bernie is the real compromise candidate
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Jul 14, 2017 13:19
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namesake posted:Of liberal? is support for parliamentary democracy incompatible with viewing humanity as it exists?
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Jul 14, 2017 13:26
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Enjoy posted:is support for parliamentary democracy incompatible with viewing humanity as it exists? Parliamentary democracy is just a form of representative democracy so it is compatible but taking control of it doesn't automatically mean anything unless the economic structure is also taken control of and changed at the same time. Bernie is a social democrat because he argues for the reorganisation of select industries to maximise individual freedom from worrying about access to them or that wealth inequalities threaten the idea of equality before the law, not that the nature of capitalism itself is exploitative and must be all taken down.
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Jul 14, 2017 13:46
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namesake posted:Parliamentary democracy is just a form of representative democracy so it is compatible but taking control of it doesn't automatically mean anything unless the economic structure is also taken control of and changed at the same time. larry parrish said he's a democratic socialist and therefore a liberal let's put aside the question of bernie sanders specifically. i think it is wrong to say that supporting parliamentary democracy is incompatible with socialism
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Jul 14, 2017 14:32
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lol if u think bernie doesn't have more radical views privately
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Jul 14, 2017 14:54
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A lot of now bitter marxboys in 2008 posted:lol if u think obama doesn't have more radical views privately
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Jul 14, 2017 14:55
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Karl Barks posted:lol if u think bernie doesn't have more radical views privately so are you saying he has a public view and a private view? 
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Jul 14, 2017 14:55
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Enjoy posted:larry parrish said he's a democratic socialist and therefore a liberal Im happy to drop the point as well but the USA is very bad at using political labels like socialist correctly. quote:let's put aside the question of bernie sanders specifically. i think it is wrong to say that supporting parliamentary democracy is incompatible with socialism Do you know the history of the Second International and the problems with reformist socialist governments post second world war? They're powerful evidence why reformist versus revolutionary socialism heavily favours the revolutionary.
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Jul 14, 2017 14:56
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namesake posted:Im happy to drop the point as well but the USA is very bad at using political labels like socialist correctly. reformist socialism - universal healthcare and education - strong labour unions - robust welfare system revolutionary socialism - gulags gonna have to agree that the revolutionaries p clearly have the advantage here
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Jul 14, 2017 15:00
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lol if you think that
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Jul 14, 2017 15:04
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nope
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Jul 14, 2017 15:20
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how do you even get "more radically centrist", what does that look like
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Jul 14, 2017 15:20
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Karl Barks posted:how do you even get "more radically centrist", what does that look like you wear a nicer suit and destroy more unions
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Jul 14, 2017 15:21
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Enjoy posted:larry parrish said he's a democratic socialist and therefore a liberal Namesake said it already, but to be blunter about it people tend not to want to vote for giving up their private property and those with private property tend to have the system rigged in their favour Also the idea that liberal parliamentary democracy is the ultimate form of human government is very "End of History" and is not a universally held belief
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Jul 14, 2017 15:22
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Enjoy posted:larry parrish said he's a democratic socialist and therefore a liberal I was using the ridiculously broad Marxist definition wherein if you support capitalism, you are a liberal But I also think the American electoral system as a base concept is good and superior to Commonwealth parliaments everyone loves now so by a lot of people's reckoning I'm an idiot
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Jul 14, 2017 15:34
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U could argue that the Larry Parrish reforms to the electoral system to destroy political parties outside of caucasing within government and organising voters would in fact make america into a parliamentary system tho
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Jul 14, 2017 15:37
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*at the dsa meeting, yelling between sobs* we can't have a revolution without firing squads!
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Jul 14, 2017 16:57
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firing squads are good guillotines are better
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Jul 14, 2017 16:59
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namesake posted:Do you know the history of the Second International and the problems with reformist socialist governments post second world war? They're powerful evidence why reformist versus revolutionary socialism heavily favours the revolutionary. the usual complaint about the second international is that it abandoned internationalism once the great war started. this kind of abandoning of internationalism in response to national threats also happened under "actually existing" socialism, though. stalin had already begun moving towards russian nationalism before the second world war broke out (or the great patriotic war, in the parlance of russian nationalism). placing the international communist movement at the disposal of the russian state was the crux of "socialism in one country". in the 1930s, stalin's position was that national minorities within the soviet union needed to be assimilated (to stop their economic and cultural backwardsness being a drain or threat to the state). after the war, the socialist states engaged in exactly the kind of great power geopolitical manoeuvring as the capitalist states, such as the conflicts between yugoslavia and albania, russia and china, china and vietnam, and vietnam and cambodia. Enjoy fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Jul 14, 2017 17:03
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tfw bernie says the revolution will be non-violent but you've already picked out the revolver you're gonna use to execute your investment banker stepdad phil
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Jul 14, 2017 17:03
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Fallen Hamprince posted:tfw bernie says the revolution will be non-violent but you've already picked out the revolver you're gonna use to execute your investment banker stepdad phil where is the joke
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Jul 14, 2017 17:07
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bernie is a backsliding liberal and would rot in a gulag in any just society
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GalacticAcid posted:bernie is a backsliding liberal and would rot in a gulag in any just society this but ironically
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