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i have some austaralian storeies that sound like stdh.txt so im not gonna share em
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does australia have marriage equality yet
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Jul 14, 2017 06:28
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oval office is misogynistic when directed at women, but not gendered when it's directed at men/animals/inanimate objects
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Jul 14, 2017 06:32
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its creepy fuckin eugenic how britain sent its crimers to the other side of the world and one group became a peaceful corbyn-loving people and the other turned into bigot island
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Jul 14, 2017 06:33
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exmarx posted:oval office is misogynistic when directed at women, but not gendered when it's directed at men/animals/inanimate objects yeah like how its ok to call someone a fag as long as they arent actually gay
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Jul 14, 2017 06:34
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Is calling a woman a "dick" good or bad
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Jul 14, 2017 06:34
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got any sevens posted:Is calling a woman a "dick" good or bad yeah
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Jul 14, 2017 06:35
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Squizzle posted:does australia have marriage equality yet lol nope
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Jul 14, 2017 07:07
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Byolante posted:This is hilariously wrong and I must assume you either aren't Australian, or in the off chance you are, only socialise with inner city types. I'am. It's funny how you immediately differentiate the use of the word between social groups. It's almost as if it's got some baggage and isn't used by the more educated, professional types for a reason. You'd have to be in a fairly rough place, a tradesmen, or around teenagers a lot to ever hear the word in public. You hear gently caress, or poo poo, or bullshit far more often than oval office.
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Jul 14, 2017 07:47
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Tokamak posted:the more educated, professional types lol gently caress those cunts
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Jul 14, 2017 07:49
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its ok for me to say that because im in a brit thread not an american thread
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Jul 14, 2017 07:52
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Tokamak posted:I'am. It's funny how you immediately differentiate the use of the word between social groups. It's almost as if it's got some baggage and isn't used by the more educated, professional types for a reason. You'd have to be in a fairly rough place, a tradesmen, or around teenagers a lot to ever hear the word in public. You hear gently caress, or poo poo, or bullshit far more often than oval office.
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Jul 14, 2017 07:52
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rudatron posted:So in other words, tut-tutting about 'oval office' is a way for upper class people to disparage lower class people They don't disparage them because they never interact with them. I live in a traditionally immigrant/working class area, so maybe the problem is I don't live around enough white people. Tokamak has issued a correction as of 08:09 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Jul 14, 2017 08:05
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rudatron posted:So in other words, tut-tutting about 'oval office' is a way for upper class people to disparage lower class people nah
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Jul 14, 2017 08:10
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deadgoon posted:yeah like how its ok to call someone a fag as long as they arent actually gay no, it's different than that
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Jul 14, 2017 08:26
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rudatron posted:So in other words, tut-tutting about 'oval office' is a way for upper class people to disparage lower class people Maybe "upper class" people just know better than to use gendered slurs?
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Jul 14, 2017 09:28
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Tokamak posted:I'am. It's funny how you immediately differentiate the use of the word between social groups. It's almost as if it's got some baggage and isn't used by the more educated, professional types for a reason. You'd have to be in a fairly rough place, a tradesmen, or around teenagers a lot to ever hear the word in public. You hear gently caress, or poo poo, or bullshit far more often than oval office. Ah yes, the old if only you were educated you would understand that you aren't a good person. Please tell me more about how being wealthy and conforming to wealthy people norms makes you a better person.
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Jul 14, 2017 09:43
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oval office 👏 Is 👏 Not 👏 A 👏 Gendered 👏 Insult 👏 Here 👏 In 👏 The 👏 Same 👏 Way 👏 As 👏 Its 👏 Kutwijf-Esque 👏 American 👏 Meaning 👏 But 👏 It 👏 Is 👏 Still 👏 About 👏 The 👏 Worst 👏 Word 👏 You 👏 Can 👏 Use 👏 So 👏 People 👏 Tend 👏 To 👏 Avoid 👏 It e: Except 👏 If 👏 They 👏 Are 👏 Trying 👏 To 👏 Shock 👏 Or 👏 Show 👏 What 👏 Cool 👏 Transgressive 👏 And 👏 Forthright 👏 Opinion-Havers 👏 They 👏 Are jBrereton has issued a correction as of 09:56 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Jul 14, 2017 09:53
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it's a term of endearment amongst friends
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Jul 14, 2017 10:07
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Nearly anything can be a term of endearment among friends in a pub based context.
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Jul 14, 2017 10:10
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Byolante posted:Ah yes, the old if only you were educated you would understand that you aren't a good person. Please tell me more about how being wealthy and conforming to wealthy people norms makes you a better person. Yes, that's kind of how education works.
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Jul 14, 2017 11:06
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education imparts knowledge, not 'goodness', and it's extremely dangerous and arrogant to presume that more educated = better than, if only because education is a second-order signifier for class and privilege it's this exact blindness towards class predisposition that turns 'meritocracy' into what is essentially a plutocratic oligarchy
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Jul 14, 2017 11:21
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hakimashou posted:Maybe "upper class" people just know better than to use gendered slurs? People in the public eye or who have the risk of reputational damage probably do think more about how certain words look especially bad to use yes. Also getting more educated about misogyny has meant I personally won't call a woman a oval office and would hesitate even at twat because there's a whole nasty baggage to those words that has nothing to do with the generic insult I'd be using them for. Upper class people have more opportunities for education and I assume my experience isn't unique so yeah, upper class people are probably less likely to use gendered slurs. That doesn't make them 'better' people though, just more knowledgeable and sometimes media savvy. A bricklayer calling Lily Allen a gobby oval office doesn't hate women more than the polite tory MP cutting the childcare allowance does.
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Jul 14, 2017 11:38
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Tokamak posted:Yes, that's kind of how education works. Explain why ivy leagues and oxbridge turn out an overwhelming majority of nimby neolibs then because the world as it lies kinda argues against your proposition. Its almost as if words in and of themselves have no animus and that rich, well educated neolibs know exactly how to talk woke while destroying the welfare state as is happening in Germany, the UK, the US, France and Australia to name a few.
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Jul 14, 2017 11:52
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rudatron posted:education imparts knowledge, not 'goodness', and it's extremely dangerous and arrogant to presume that more educated = better than, if only because education is a second-order signifier for class and privilege I agree with you. The OP was framing my argument as a moral failing of the lower classes, and I was pretty flippant in my reply. The word has a lot of baggage and if you are the sort of person who is interested in how you use language, you'd probably come to the conclusion that it isn't worth using.
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Byolante posted:Explain why ivy leagues and oxbridge turn out an overwhelming majority of nimby neolibs then because the world as it lies kinda argues against your proposition. Its almost as if words in and of themselves have no animus and that rich, well educated neolibs know exactly how to talk woke while destroying the welfare state as is happening in Germany, the UK, the US, France and Australia to name a few. Maybe the class thing is a by product of it being a lovely word, and the ruling class has far more to gain in not using it then the average person. That doesn't reflexively make it subversive or politically powerful, it's just a lovely word. That it may or may not be an insult depending on how you use it, and that you should be careful using it to positively describe women, means that it's just not a useful word. Words fall in and out of favour all the time. In my experience I've seen the word oval office being used increasingly less.
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Jul 14, 2017 12:14
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rudatron posted:So in other words, tut-tutting about 'oval office' is a way for upper class people to disparage lower class people you could say the same thing about 'human being' in the US, a take that would also be very, very bad
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Jul 14, 2017 12:19
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Byolante posted:Ah yes, the old if only you were educated you would understand that you aren't a good person. Please tell me more about how being wealthy and conforming to wealthy people norms makes you a better person. In this case by not using gendered slurs?
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Jul 14, 2017 12:25
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Vitamin P posted:People in the public eye or who have the risk of reputational damage probably do think more about how certain words look especially bad to use yes. Also getting more educated about misogyny has meant I personally won't call a woman a oval office and would hesitate even at twat because there's a whole nasty baggage to those words that has nothing to do with the generic insult I'd be using them for. Upper class people have more opportunities for education and I assume my experience isn't unique so yeah, upper class people are probably less likely to use gendered slurs. this is correct you know that statistic that people are less racist the more educated they are? turns out it's not cause they're actually less racist, they're just better at hiding their racism
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Jul 14, 2017 12:32
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jBrereton posted:oval office 👏 Is 👏 Not 👏 A 👏 Gendered 👏 Insult 👏 Here 👏 In 👏 The 👏 Same 👏 Way 👏 As 👏 Its 👏 Kutwijf-Esque 👏 American 👏 Meaning 👏 But 👏 It 👏 Is 👏 Still 👏 About 👏 The 👏 Worst 👏 Word 👏 You 👏 Can 👏 Use 👏 So 👏 People 👏 Tend 👏 To 👏 Avoid 👏 It or if you live in the north, you silly oval office 
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Jul 14, 2017 12:58
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all you cunts need to shut the gently caress up and stop loving oppressing our cunting culture and our right to call a loving oval office a oval office you stupid twats
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Jul 14, 2017 14:23
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people defending their use of oval office remind me of all those Aussies who said that their blackface minstrel shows couldn't be racist because they weren't American and therefore they were unrelated to slavery
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Jul 14, 2017 14:36
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up noorf oval office is just a racier/informal way of saying person, saying "don't put that there where anycunt could tread on it!" is like saying "i need to piss" instead of "i need to use the toilet"
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Jul 14, 2017 14:58
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just start calling eachother 'cuck' its the same sort of sound
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Jul 14, 2017 15:12
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:people defending their use of oval office remind me of all those Aussies who said that their blackface minstrel shows couldn't be racist because they weren't American and therefore they were unrelated to slavery gently caress off you weak cultural imperialist oval office Whorelord has issued a correction as of 15:20 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Jul 14, 2017 15:16
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bloody septics prescribing a language they didn't even invent, the cunts
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Jul 14, 2017 15:56
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https://youtu.be/3GAbStTKFIw
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Jul 14, 2017 16:34
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Words like oval office and arse and whatnot didn't used to be offensive, what used to get you (sometimes literally) excoriated was blasphemy. You could say oval office all you want as long as you didn't take the lord's name in vain, but in our secular age blasphemy's been superseded by reminding folk they have vital, material bodies full of piss, poo poo and blood, which kind of reflects our unease with our tenuous and fragile existence in a newly godless universe. So really what this policing of vulgarity tells us is that we're obsessed with morbidity and disgusted by our own profane materiality, it's a very gnostic take on things when you think about it so the divine has been sort of discursively resurrected as a malevolent demiurge that we fear angering through saying bad words so really when you think about it, South park was right all along.
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jBrereton posted:oval office 👏 Is 👏 Not 👏 A 👏 Gendered 👏 Insult 👏 Here 👏 In 👏 The 👏 Same 👏 Way 👏 As 👏 Its 👏 Kutwijf-Esque 👏 American 👏 Meaning 👏 But 👏 It 👏 Is 👏 Still 👏 About 👏 The 👏 Worst 👏 Word 👏 You 👏 Can 👏 Use 👏 So 👏 People 👏 Tend 👏 To 👏 Avoid 👏 It https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liYkRarIDfo
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i read a good book a while ago about the shift from blasphemy to obscenity in 19th century england that was very much rooted in middle-class christian beliefs and disciplining/controlling the political and social expressions of the working class it's more interesting than it sounds, i swear http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/W/bo3635442.html
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