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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Dreylad posted:

bernie should probably not run in 2020

agreed, it should be hillary again so the party dies

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Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



UHD posted:

why does anyone ever care what someone says on twitter

sometimes they provide evidence of themselves taking russian intelligence to win an election

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

When you're looking through Trump's lens of racism, yeah, he's right. I'm not looking through that. I'm looking through the DSA's lens. Solidarity, and working class that includes all races. You're using that blog post kind of wrong, and MHJ/ZGR are really wrong if they're looking through Trump's lens too.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Dreylad posted:

bernie should probably not run in 2020

Bernie should run




as an independent :unsmigghh:

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Serf posted:

trump supporters can think of it as a racist dogwhistle, but the working class encompasses likt 99% of the people in america and the world

yes but zegermans was talking about word usage

it's used by the right wing mean HARD WORKING americans who SUFFER since they ahve to give HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS to N...eoliberals in the INNER CITY


Matt Zerella posted:

When you're looking through Trump's lens of racism, yeah, he's right. I'm not looking through that. I'm looking through the DSA's lens. Solidarity, and working class that includes all races. You're using that blog post kind of wrong, and MHJ/ZGR are really wrong if they're looking through Trump's lens too.

sure, but it's useful to be aware of how it's appropriated and perverted by the right wing, and how most US media effectively uses the trump version

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015
The GOP would definitely be invincible if the democratic leadership decided to listen to 8%ers and run a campaign on nationalist flag waving, because the party that's been electing eliminationist Duke fanboys will always beat them on this poo poo.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Al! posted:

Been I is his rastafarian name

right in the beenis

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Bernie should run and lay waste to all his enemies.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
bernie should seize the winter palace and murder the romanovs

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Matt Zerella posted:

When you're looking through Trump's lens of racism, yeah, he's right. I'm not looking through that. I'm looking through the DSA's lens. Solidarity, and working class that includes all races. You're using that blog post kind of wrong, and MHJ/ZGR are really wrong if they're looking through Trump's lens too.

All Workers Matter

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

GalacticAcid posted:

sure, but it's useful to be aware of how it's appropriated and perverted by the right wing, and how most US media effectively uses the trump version

Agreed, most US media is notionally liberal but fundamentally buys into the ideological frameworks constructed by the right. However, we cannot defeat this problem by simply accepting conservative framing, and that is why claiming the entire working class for the left is important.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Zoran posted:

Agreed, most US media is notionally liberal but fundamentally buys into the ideological frameworks constructed by the right. However, we cannot defeat this problem by simply accepting conservative framing, and that is why claiming the entire working class for the left is important.

exactly. the working class comprises drat near all of us, and we need to start taking the phrase back from the right


UHD posted:

why does anyone ever care what someone says on twitter

the president of the united states posts his unedited thoughts on twitter for the world to see and we're descending into chaos

UHD
Nov 11, 2006


Shear Modulus posted:

sometimes they provide evidence of themselves taking russian intelligence to win an election

while that's funny I have no hope of anyone involved getting punished like they should for it

Zhulik
Nov 14, 2012

The Montreal Star
Bernie is a compromise candidate

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/heres-how-labour-ran-an-under-the-radar-dark-ads-campaign?utm_term=.xjdWvMrEL#.puooAbqMW

quote:

Labour quietly spent £1.2 million running online adverts in the run-up to the general election, campaign sources told BuzzFeed News, using in-house software to microtarget individual voters on Facebook while also unleashing a Snapchat advertising blitz that was seen by 8 million people in one day.

Before the election the media focused on the Conservatives’ supposed “dark ads” Facebook campaign in target seats, which was often portrayed as being underhand due to its reliance on difficult-to-track unpublished adverts.

In reality, according to Labour campaign sources, Jeremy Corbyn’s party was quietly running a potentially more sophisticated under-the-radar in-house targeting operation that relied heavily on many similar targeting tactics, culminating in a £500,000 online ad blitz in the final two days before the vote.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bernie is going to fulfill the prophecy you big dumb idiots

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

zegermans posted:

All Workers Matter
Trump/Hillary lense.

The milquetoast takes in milquetoast form.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Zhulik posted:

Bernie is a compromise candidate

this is true at least

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

zegermans posted:

All Workers Matter

hey, zgr, I take it all back, gently caress you.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

the UK's election laws and practices are so cute

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Serf posted:

bernie/warren runs in 2020 and wins, accomplish nothing bc of congress, die of old age and their seats are taken by centrists

bernie stays in for a year as a victory lap then steps down for health reasons, warren puts a young leftist 🔥brand in as his replacement veep

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Raskolnikov38 posted:

agreed, it should be hillary again so the party dies

sure, but he shouldn't run generally

UNLESS he can perform one slam dunk in 2020 to start off his campaign. then I believe he will have the Vigour to do so

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
holy

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

lmao

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008



lol wut

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
hmm

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006


zegermans posted:

All Workers Matter

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

not real

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bernie and Jeremy and popular precisely because they're old farts who haven't changed their ways in 40 years.

Some hot new young gun isn't going to be more popular than Bernard Sanderino.

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

also until I see a direct link to that article I'm not convinced it's real, that's way too "socialists are totally blind to racism" stereotyping

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

A take so hot it dipped the world in flames.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

consumed by normies posted:

DNC Hack Survivor

if its not a legitimate login the server has a way of shutting that whole thing down

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
I can't find that article on jacobin's website so whoosh is me.

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Taintrunner posted:

if its not a legitimate login the server has a way of shutting that whole thing down

Unless you're the IT guy who typos the email policy recommendation

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
it's real

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006


post the map link

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Squizzle posted:

bernie stays in for a year as a victory lap then steps down for health reasons, warren puts a young leftist 🔥brand in as his replacement veep

Kshama Sawant :syoon:

Serf
May 5, 2011


gradenko_2000 posted:

Kshama Sawant :syoon:

we don't deserve that future and you know it

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
imagine giving a poo poo about any of the failed democratic candidates in 2017


except for webb. i lay awake at night afraid he is under my bed in full camo

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ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

zegermans posted:

He's actually correct Working Class has largely become a euphemism for "white person who works hard and can't get ahead, unlike THOSE people"

No only racists, like you, say that.

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