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I'm in Chicago, any protests or volunteer work I can get involved in?
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Someone from Chicago DSA gave us Silicon Valley DSAers a helpful organizing video call, so it seems like he and the chapter really have it together http://www.chicagodsa.org
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Jun 2, 2017 22:39
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I'm in NYC, anyone I can get connected with here?
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Jun 3, 2017 23:54
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Verisimilidude posted:I'm in NYC, anyone I can get connected with here?
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Like I get the frustration but I'm not sure the "hey come help the leftist cause" thread should ever respond with "lol gently caress you google it"
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ate all the Oreos posted:Like I get the frustration but I'm not sure the "hey come help the leftist cause" thread should ever respond with "lol gently caress you google it" Yeah, especially when I've done my research, go to rallies, and was hoping to learn about something new in my area. Guess I earned that sick burn though.
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The most recent Annual Report of the International Antifascist Defence Fund is out. Short version: quote:DEFENCE FUND YEAR TWO:
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ekuNNN posted:The most recent Annual Report of the International Antifascist Defence Fund is out. I wonder, do they put out statistics for end results of legal defenses for antifa? I read an article about how antifa who end up in prison face assault/rape from white supremacists, and it sounded kind of like it was trying to deter people from taking part in antifa/blackbloc activities, but I'd like that to be expanded on for me.
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FiveThirtyEight has a new page that makes it easy to call your representatives out on every time they're assholes. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/votes/?ex_cid=rrpromo So when a D votes yes on loving over minorities or the environment or minorities again or labor protections, you can blow up their loving phones about it. Edit: This is the letter I sent to Brian Higgins on his idiotic vote on the "Thin Blue Line Act." quote:I'm writing this in response to the vote you placed on H.R.115 - Thin Blue Line Act on May 22. The death penalty is an abhorrent violation of basic human rights and I am appalled that you would vote to strengthen it in any way. In addition, the language is sufficiently vague to apply even to cases where murder was not the intent or even outcome. It is clear to me that the use of "target" in the legislation will be used to unfairly prosecute minorities involved in altercations with the police and to further erode civil protections against abuse when dealing with authorities. As a voting Democrat, I will be remembering this come 2018 and encouraging my friends and family to do so as well. What the gently caress kind of idiot Democrat would sign up for that? KillHour fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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Jun 17, 2017 16:03
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One in favor of police control? I mean, democrats come in a lot of flavors, or so is my impression.
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Kyrsten Sinema in 2009: A bill in 2006 expanded the aggravating factors to be considered when juries decide whether or not to give the death penalty as a punishment for a person convicted of 1st degree murder. This is not a popular topic, and I'm on the least popular side of the question. I'm opposed to the death penalty because I think no civilized society should use it as a punishment. But since we have the death penalty in Arizona, I want to ensure that it's being implemented as fairly and judiciously as possible. When this bill came forward, adding a number of new reasons to put a person to death, I should have gone to the sponsor of the bill and the chair of the House Judiciary Committee to make my case that 2 of these reasons were written with such broad language that they could, and likely would, be used in cases where they weren't really intended to be used. But instead, I just gave a fiery speech on the floor of the house. The bill passed and was signed into law. Kyrsten Sinema in 2017 
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KillHour posted:What the gently caress kind of idiot Democrat would sign up for that? One that you ought to help someone primary the gently caress out of. At minimum we should strive to put the fear of god back in these idiots.
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SomeMathGuy posted:One that you ought to help someone primary the gently caress out of. At minimum we should strive to put the fear of god back in these idiots. Sorta in that position now. But it's an uphill battle. I don't want to use this thread to shill for a candidate, but if anyone desperately wants to donate to a primary challenger, send me a PM and I'll give you the actblue details.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Sorta in that position now. But it's an uphill battle. Is there any better suited thread for that sort of thing I should be looking for? I'd like to turn my state into a socialist Utopia through primaries but don't know how to get involved, so lately I've just been sending money to Jon Ossoff. I mean, I don't like the guy, but not one more R in the House is an acceptable thing.
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Unrelated, how do we hook this guy and Sanders up? And how do we find more people like this to run for office?
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^^^ tinder?
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Cheekio posted:Unrelated, how do we hook this guy and Sanders up? Also I like his mom's horse shirt
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coyo7e posted:gently caress Sanders, he's not going to be relevent any longer, sorry kids. But I'd vote for this dude in a heartbeat. Sanders has, at the very least, a big ol' email list that somehow keeps sending stuff to me despite me unsubscribing like three times so far, so there's that 
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Telling your local dems to support universal healthcare is a cool thing you can do https://www.facebook.com/SocialistNYC/videos/1339973282707105/
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I thought I'd mention for those of us that just can't bring themselves to call someone on the telephone app on their phone, I've enjoyed writing out why I like a bill I want my state legislators to support on a card and mailing it to them. At my local DSA chapters we've had postcard writing parties, and I recommend them as an alternative for phone-shy members. It's much more effective than putting your email address on some petition nobody's going to read, and who knows, if you write from the heart you may make a real lasting impression on the politician and they may remember your name and look out for more. My econ teacher once told me of a Congressman whose staff would weigh the letters that were for or against a given bill that they were on the fence about, so use heavy stationery! 
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Jun 21, 2017 01:32
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Read the Indivisible Guide, so you don't have to subsist on hearsay bullshit like that
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There have been several people in D&D in the past who talked about their time as a congressional staffer or page or whatever and from what I remember no matter which way you contact the representative it all gets boiled down into simple statistics and dumped into the same software database these days so there isn't a particular advantage to writing a letter or using heavy cardstock or whatever.
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 That "Republicans Matter Most" bit hits a little closer to the bone than I'd like to admit. I'm in a purple state, but for those in deep red territory at what point, if any, does it make sense to switch registered sides just so you can nominate the lesser evil in Republican primaries? (Obviously this is a moot point in states with open primaries or whatever they're called)
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ate all the Oreos posted:There have been several people in D&D in the past who talked about their time as a congressional staffer or page or whatever and from what I remember no matter which way you contact the representative it all gets boiled down into simple statistics and dumped into the same software database these days so there isn't a particular advantage to writing a letter or using heavy cardstock or whatever. I just carve my messages into pineapples and attach postage with clear tape.
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Kekekela posted:
But yeah, Trump has a "bad boy" reputation, so him or his little tribe doing "rogue-ish" things doesn't impact in the slightest.
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Focus on local issues, they're the ones that are most salient in our lives and if you can make the Republican look out of touch and uninterested in the real issues that folks like us face every day, you have an in.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Focus on local issues, they're the ones that are most salient in our lives and if you can make the Republican look out of touch and uninterested in the real issues that folks like us face every day, you have an in. Our state congress rep simply stopped staying in town or responding to comments after being questioned about health care. He's gonna coast to an easy victory. I love the south
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So because I'm curious and also hate myself I took a browse through conservative memes dot com. Let's call it, uh, opposition research. Most of it was the infuriating or ignorant stuff you'd expect but I did get an interesting insight into what I assume is the average Trump die-hard fan (or at least the average Trump mom who shares funy memes on Facebook):    These I think are especially telling:    So as far as I can tell, these people earnestly believe in their heart of hearts that trump is basically Batman and Reagan and "the savior of western civilization" all rolled into one, no wonder nothing trump ever does wrong can tarnish him at all in their eyes. How do you even begin to undo any of that? e: One sort-of glimmer of a positive note, they seem to have at least come to the consensus that Alex Jones is batshit insane, so that's nice Shame Boy fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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They like Trump. They think he's a bad boy out to sucker-punch the liberals, so anything that plays into that, up to and including illegal things, only helps his mystique. If you have some kind of obsessive need to make them dislike Trump (which isn't even all that helpful anyway), then borrowing from Hillary Clinton's playbook is a pretty decent strategy. Get him to lash out at "unacceptable" targets like attractive, light-skinned women and veteran families. Get him into silly twitter slap-fights over petty bullshit. Force him to say boring, factual bullshit. If you make him act like an insecure "alpha" male stereotype who's out of his depth, that'll tarnish him. That said, my strategy is just pushing people to consider solar energy and other renewables. That hits the corpservative agenda right in the balls, since it hits one of the two main pillars; fossil fuels. Also, people are amenable to it because it lowers their monthly power bill, which is a huge boon, and it more theoretically lowers our dependance on "foreign oil".
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Veyrall posted:They like Trump. They think he's a bad boy out to sucker-punch the liberals, so anything that plays into that, up to and including illegal things, only helps his mystique. If you have some kind of obsessive need to make them dislike Trump (which isn't even all that helpful anyway), then borrowing from Hillary Clinton's playbook is a pretty decent strategy. Get him to lash out at "unacceptable" targets like attractive, light-skinned women and veteran families. Get him into silly twitter slap-fights over petty bullshit. Force him to say boring, factual bullshit. If you make him act like an insecure "alpha" male stereotype who's out of his depth, that'll tarnish him. I mean I don't think people should go out and try to one-on-one get into arguments or something like that but their idea of him is very, uh, disconnected from reality to say the least. Trump's already attacked veteran families (both specific people and in general via policy) and attractive light-skinned women and it did nothing. I guess I'm more concerned with the idea that I'm occupying the same country as millions of people who genuinely believe that Donald Trump is the savior of the white race and all of western civilization or whatever and nothing he does ever puts a dent in that image of him, that really scares me. If Trump asked people to start shooting Mexicans or something in one of his 3 AM tweets I'm convinced they would start doing it by the thousands, and he's absolutely the kind of unstable moron who would say stuff like that offhandedly. I'm not really sure what to do about this, or if anything can even be done about this, or what, but these people are not going away on their own and even if we win in 2018 and 2020 they will still be there, even angrier than before that Trump had the election stolen from him by 3 million illegals voting or whatever he'll say. (I do like your strategy in general though, it's a pretty solid idea.)
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During the election, the dreadfully convincing theory often came up that Trump is so incoherent and ridiculous that desperate people can project pretty much any hope and belief onto him they want and it seems vaguely plausible. He has, in a perverted way, many of the strengths of Obama in that sense. At best, you're not going to beat that unless you can produce someone more likeable who speaks to their concerns and needs. Which is difficult for a number of reasons, given the Republicans have spent half a century carefully convincing them that up is down, helping them is hurting them, and corporations are their friend. In short, going after Trump supporters specifically doesn't seem like a good idea. The Obama voters who deserted Hillary seem like the first logical place to look.
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Most conservatives are a lost cause and the ones who aren't will be won over by their immediate social circle, moreso than any kind of large-scale efforts. I say this as someone who was about as far gone as it's possible to be and still came around; there aren't a lot of me and in my case it was mostly that I lucked out in terms of where I went to college. You want to shift political power in America, then what you need to do is actually mobilize the Left. Give people something to be excited about the way the Right is excited about Trump, counter voter suppression efforts, develop some politicians who aren't triangulating pieces of poo poo.
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Inescapable Duck posted:During the election, the dreadfully convincing theory often came up that Trump is so incoherent and ridiculous that desperate people can project pretty much any hope and belief onto him they want and it seems vaguely plausible. He has, in a perverted way, many of the strengths of Obama in that sense. Oh yeah I'm totally not saying this is how we win the election, I'm more saying "there are a bunch of very scary people all over the country, some of them are even my relatives, and they are dangerously in love with an unstable, petty man, is there anything we can do about that?" Even just knocking Trump down to "regular Republican politician" in their eyes would help a bunch.
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ate all the Oreos posted:Trump's already attacked veteran families (both specific people and in general via policy) and attractive light-skinned women and it did nothing. Because Hillary. Because people just weren't thrilled to be voting for the woman who "awarded" Wasserman-Schultz when DWS tried to tip the scales against Bernie. Not gonna lie, the DNC email leak was perfectly timed to do maximum damage, and sadly Bernie and his supporters were tricked into following a harmful line. I managed to recover in time to still vote Hillary, but not enough people did. It's something to remember in the future, and it might do various democratic efforts some good to "de-digitalize" in order to curb future hacking efforts on the part of
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Also I didn't realize what thread I was in, I'm sorry if my previous post comes off as totally obvious to everyone here, I thought I was in CineD genchat.
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ate all the Oreos posted:Oh yeah I'm totally not saying this is how we win the election, I'm more saying "there are a bunch of very scary people all over the country, some of them are even my relatives, and they are dangerously in love with an unstable, petty man, is there anything we can do about that?" Even just knocking Trump down to "regular Republican politician" in their eyes would help a bunch. You're asking the wrong question. The right question is "Why is leftism so unappealing to these folks that they'd rather choose Trump than the safety and wellbeing of their own communities? How do we fix that?" You're never going to convince anyone to stop liking something they like. You can, however, convince them to like something else that's clearly better. Hillary and the DNC failed (and keep failing) by bashing Trump and Trumpism without actually presenting a positive vision for the future. "America is already great" is a losing strategy. Leftism is growing because it presents actual solutions to problems like healthcare, education, criminal justice and wealth inequality, and most of those solutions are actually in effect and working well for most other first world nations. Remember, though it may not feel that way, this administration still has the lowest approval ratings in modern history. Not only that, but so does the Democratic Party. At the same time, Bernie Sanders is (by far) the most popular politician in America. This is not like Reagan or Clinton or even W Bush where, despite massive generalized outrage, leftists were statistically irrelevant outsiders when it came to actual polling data. This is a new opportunity.
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We need to go back to the new deal paradigm of the working class actually mattering. The democrats have been the party of the 'meritocracy' for too long. Lol at the fact that dems have helped dismantle unions and have driven the entire bottom half of their voter base into resentment.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:We need to go back to the new deal paradigm of the working class actually mattering. The democrats have been the party of the 'meritocracy' for too long. Lol at the fact that dems have helped dismantle unions and have driven the entire bottom half of their voter base into resentment. America is more hosed than most because unlike most countries there is no party that is traditionally socialist or came from labour. The Democrats made a temporary alliance with organised labour and dumped it at the first opportunity, because it's always been at its heart a corporatist party.
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MikeCrotch posted:America is more hosed than most because unlike most countries there is no party that is traditionally socialist or came from labour. The Democrats made a temporary alliance with organised labour and dumped it at the first opportunity, because it's always been at its heart a corporatist party. Actually, almost every single (European) Labour party has embraced neoliberalism and betrayed their working class roots. I was at the G20 protests and German anarchists have really impressive organisation. There's a good short article on that here: http://blackrosefed.org/g20_hamburg_protests/ ekuNNN fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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