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Iron Crowned posted:I don't think I've seen this cutscene posted yet: The Ethereals are clearly the worst parents.
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Dervyn posted:Have Firaxis stated there will only be one opening set of story missions that involve reaper/skirmisher and assassin? While it would be extra work, it would be nice if they made missions for the other resistance faction combinations. Earlier it was stated that chosen and resistance faction pairing are randomised; imagine when the assassin is revealed and its faction weakness is set to be templars. Since animations and VA are both expensive, I'm pretty sure if you have the story mode turned on poo poo will go exactly as shown every game. You start with skirmishers and stalkers, end up with the two getting along-ish, having the assassin Chosen hunting the skirmishers, and the skirmisher being kidnapped. If you want that stuff to be randomized you gotta turn the story mode off.
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Iron Crowned posted:I actually went for armor before weapons in my winning campaign. If you can survive extra damage taking an extra turn isn't a big deal. I also went heavy on research by investing in the laboratory first, the only hiccup was that the RNG kept throwing engineers at me, so I had 6 engineers and two scientists at one point. I'd also say you're pretty lucky for getting so many engineers, as each extra engineer has a pretty big impact, while additional scientists suffer from diminishing returns. In fact, in all of my Legendary Ironman games I never even bother building a laboratory, except for maybe a token one when all the other facilities have been built already. A few scientists are more than enough to keep up with the aliens.
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Eraflure posted:I enjoy going weapons before armor because a laser rifle is the best medkit available early on. I don't need protection when I alpha strike everything. Exodee posted:On the higher difficulty modes taking a hit can mean over a month of sickbay leave for your soldiers. That, and the increased HP values of enemy units means that getting weapon upgrades first is almost a must. The thing is that mag rifles can miss. Against the initial basic enemies mag rifles improve your chances of killing for some enemies, but you still want grenades for sure-kills - and having better armour improves your ability to bring additional grenades or heavy weapons without compromising on stuff like med kits, battle scanners, ammo upgrades. An assault rifle with an ammo upgrade is better than a mag rifle, also. You do want mag rifles by the time mutons start showing up, for sure.
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Exodee posted:On the higher difficulty modes taking a hit can mean over a month of sickbay leave for your soldiers. That, and the increased HP values of enemy units means that getting weapon upgrades first is almost a must. I don't disagree that Engineers were really useful. There were just a few times that research was stalled because I didn't have enough to continue upgrading. Being able to just completely excavate the Avenger before needing to install a new facility was great, as well as the resources the excavations provided.
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I hope they give you a way to dedicate Engineers to stuff during mid/late game. You need a bunch of them to get off the ground, but late game they just kind of sit around.
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Fangz posted:The thing is that mag rifles can miss. Against the initial basic enemies mag rifles improve your chances of killing for some enemies, but you still want grenades for sure-kills - and having better armour improves your ability to bring additional grenades or heavy weapons without compromising on stuff like med kits, battle scanners, ammo upgrades. Ballistics are just not sufficient for taking on even basic Lancers. A Legendary Stun Lancer has 8 HP and 3 of them can drop in with an Officer if you're unlucky. Edit: Got my numbers wrong here, a Stun Lancer has 8 HP on Legendary, which makes this even worse for the assault rifle. With a mag rifle, you can at least bring them to grenade-killing range in one shot, or kill them out-right with a crit. With an AR you have to get lucky to even get them low enough for a grenade kill. Fangz posted:An assault rifle with an ammo upgrade is better than a mag rifle, also. As well, mag rifles gain an extra upgrade slot of their own, which can be relevant sooner than getting the Proving Grounds up and running for ammo upgrades, though this depends on your item drops of course. If you keep getting free ammo-upgrades through scanning events then I suppose going for armor first might be worth it, but I'm usually already teching towards weapon upgrades if that happens. Iron Crowned posted:I don't disagree that Engineers were really useful. There were just a few times that research was stalled because I didn't have enough to continue upgrading. Being able to just completely excavate the Avenger before needing to install a new facility was great, as well as the resources the excavations provided. Exodee fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Gyshall posted:I hope they give you a way to dedicate Engineers to stuff during mid/late game. You need a bunch of them to get off the ground, but late game they just kind of sit around. You can send some out on covert ops or whatever they're called this go around
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seconded to all these posts Only thing I really do differently now is no more concealed rangers. They're great if you want to play smart and safe but now I just pick up the whole right side of the tree through major + rapid fire. Exodee posted:Ballistics are just not sufficient for taking on even basic Lancers. A Legendary Stun Lancer has 8 HP and 3 of them can drop in with an Officer if you're unlucky. Had that reinforcement pack drop super early (like, 3rd mission) that ended a Legend run really quickly and hilariously once. "I want you to remember that no X-COM ever won a war by getting shot for his planet. He won it by making the other poor, dumb alien bastard get shot for his." ― George C. Scott, Patton “Attack is the secret of defense; defense is researching mag weapons asap.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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Josef bugman posted:The Ethereals are clearly the worst parents. Playing favorites and being authoritarian to the one with a mouth? Yep sounds like bad parenting all right. No wonder everyone wanted the Commander, they just couldn't stand seeing them in such an awful household.
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wuffles posted:“Attack is the secret of defense; defense is researching mag weapons asap.” People keep insisting that beelining psi is also valid. I've never been able to bring myself to do it; mag weapons are relatively easy to straight for and extremely reliable. EDIT: Also, we're probably not doing ourselves any favors by spoiling all this content before the expansion ever lands. Hard to resist, though. Backhand fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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I liked how the hunter was mouthy and like "I thought you were the strongest...", makes me want him to be able defect.
I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Have they detailed exactly how this will connect with the base game? Is it something to play alongside the campaign or an extension of it? Does this come with previous dlc, btw?
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Sylink posted:I dont see a Xenonauts thread since its old so I'll ask here. I'm gonna assume some stuff is generally the same as classic xcom here since it's been so long since I played Xeno (and it shows lol) Generally the aliens see better than you do, especially in the dark. If it's night time lighting up the map before progressing is very important. Don't rely on full cover because it's mostly meaningless. Either you are inside and have extra time units watching the available entrances or you are vulnerable to enemy fire. Incoming fire will usually mean that your soldier dies even with tier 1 armor. Plan accordingly and don't put people you care about up front. Search the map in groups of 2 minimum. Three if possible. (The reason for the third man is so he can get shot and the other 2 can kill whoever shot him) If you misplaced your troops and are experiencing a bunch of accurate fire, regroup! You don't need to take any given barn under less than ideal circumstances.
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Honest Thief posted:Have they detailed exactly how this will connect with the base game? Is it something to play alongside the campaign or an extension of it? Does this come with previous dlc, btw? It is integrated into the main campaign like EW was with EU. It also integrates the older DLC and updates it a bit but doesn't include them. Basically think of it as Civ expansions and civilization packs. The expansion changes the base game experience with a bunch of new poo poo and modifies the DLC if you have it to work better alongside the new stuff. Zore fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Ok so the Ability Points system is completely ridiculous: contray to what I've heard earlier, normal soldiers do get their own soldier AP in addition to the shared XCOM AP they earn, they just don't have a base rate high enough to buy a perk compared to faction classes. So depending on a soldier's combat intelligence stat (the Ranger they were showcasing was just 2 points shy of being able to get Phantom after she took Blademaster normally), you may be able to start getting a perk from the other tree as soon as Sergeant, maybe even Corporal. That is freakin' ridiculous and I will probably have a love/hate relationship with it since it'll probably be the person with a gravely wounded time of 40 days that will be able to dual spec first in my playthroughs.
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Backhand posted:People keep insisting that beelining psi is also valid. I've never been able to bring myself to do it; mag weapons are relatively easy to straight for and extremely reliable. psi beelines are valid but the inherent problem is that it trades time investment for money investment. it costs a fair bit to outfit your mans with mag weapons, and it does indeed cost less to get a couple mans in the psi labs and becoming super saiyans, but super saiyans need to spend a bunch of extra time in the hyperbolic lion tamer(or time chamber or whatever the gently caress i'm not mr. popo) to become useful, whereas once you have the research for mag weapons you pay your way and it's done.
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reignofevil posted:I'm gonna assume some stuff is generally the same as classic xcom here since it's been so long since I played Xeno (and it shows lol) IIRC, the alien do a trick where they have a character walk forwards, spot you, the rest of their units shoot you, and then the scout runs off back into the fog of war. You should do this too.
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reignofevil posted:In original xcom if you got truly hosed by the rng then on the first alien turn an enemy with a blaster bomb would spot you and kill all twelve of your soldiers, most of which were still on the skyranger. From a few pages ago, but the reason this happens is that Aliens start with full time units at the start of the game. Having extra time units on the other side's turn greatly increases your chances of getting a reaction shot, resulting in many many many dead XCOM soldiers on their first move out of the skyranger. The solution is to simply End Turn as soon as you start a mission, this allows the aliens to move around and spend TU's before you move out. Edit - Other tips for classic XCOM- - use Open XCOm of course. - Clear late game alien bases with full groups of rookies with Laser gun and grenade only, make them hold hands and clear the base in pairs. 24 MEN ENTER hopefully one leaves.
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Xenonauts chat. 0. Air war is paramount. Get a base in Israel, US, and China. learn to dogfight, condors can take any Light Scout/fighter in the sky. Foxtrots stay useful for anything larger. 1. Dont fight at night, your soldiers will get picked off. 2. If you fight at night, bring a tank/scout car. Its head lights will let you see farther. In fact, bring tanks all the time. Blow everything up and use it to scout. 3. Bring lots of smoke. They cant shoot what they cant see. Does not apply to sebilians. 4. Lead with a pair of riot shield soldiers. Use pistols, have them toss grenades and smoke. Have riflemen back them up 5. when aiming cannons/rockets aim for the tile behind the alien. the game will calculate "hit obstacle" and get you a hit on the alien. aiming at the alien will cause the rocket to go off course. 6. gently caress being honorable. Blow poo poo up. You can pack so many explosives its not funny. Breaching a UFO? pack that door with C4 and blow it, dont stand there and open it. Make capturing alien tech a nice bonus, not a priority. Tech will be captured. 7. Doors and corners are death. Reapers love them. Give buildings plenty of room. Or blow it up. C4 at each corner works
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fargom posted:From a few pages ago, but the reason this happens is that Aliens start with full time units at the start of the game. Having extra time units on the other side's turn greatly increases your chances of getting a reaction shot, resulting in many many many dead XCOM soldiers on their first move out of the skyranger. Generally I just had my first dude pop a smoke grenade and went in guns blazing.
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Coolguye posted:psi beelines are valid but the inherent problem is that it trades time investment for money investment. it costs a fair bit to outfit your mans with mag weapons, and it does indeed cost less to get a couple mans in the psi labs and becoming super saiyans, but super saiyans need to spend a bunch of extra time in the hyperbolic lion tamer(or time chamber or whatever the gently caress i'm not mr. popo) to become useful, whereas once you have the research for mag weapons you pay your way and it's done. Also it's random whether the psi troop will be useful right out of the tube. Sometimes you luck out and get Stasis which makes them almost worth taking along because they can make that newly activated pod a bit less threatening. Sometimes you get Inspire which is situational. Sometimes you get Insanity which is meh by itself. (Yeah you can mind control an enemy temporarily, but that also means they'll reveal more of the map and activate the Gatekeeper/Lid pod.)
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Man I remember my first run through OG XCOM, I was clearing a snakeman base and it took me legit like an hour plus to work through the place. Had all my dudes stacked up ready to assault the control room, feeling real good about only losing 1 dude so far. And this thing I thought I had killed earlier but had no idea what the gently caress it was apparently woke up from being dead and sprinted across the entire base zombifying my dudes in one hit and basically annihilated my entire platoon in 3 turns. And that's the first time I met a Chrysallid 
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winterwerefox posted:Xenonauts chat. Highlighting the best points of Xenonats. Guns and high accuracy are nice, but gently caress that poo poo blow it all up. I had so many terror missions where I leveled half the neighborhood because gently caress THAT poo poo. The ones that weren't half-leveled were fully 100% leveled because it was a robot terror mission which is DOUBLE gently caress THAT. Also cars/tanks are so hilarious because they have 0 repair/heal time and it's great watching the incoming shots go "dink!" off the front armor Alkydere fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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So I'm wanting to shoot for the "Win by July 1st" achievement, and I'm looking for pointers. How much luck do you need to get to the story missions in time? How soon do you need the Proving Ground up? Is there a surefire build order I should aim for? That sort of thing.
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marshmallow creep posted:So I'm wanting to shoot for the "Win by July 1st" achievement, and I'm looking for pointers. How much luck do you need to get to the story missions in time? How soon do you need the Proving Ground up? Is there a surefire build order I should aim for? That sort of thing. I'm just wrapping that up and I'll add some more detailed tips later but you don't need a lot of luck. It's nice to get a scientist or engineer out of your first or second scan but not required. I missed the timer by hours (completed final mission on the 1st, no achievement) on my first try but it was preventable--I have an extra week to finish this run before the 1st. Always be progressing the story. Start a GTS on your starting empty square right away, use your first engineer to excavate. You won't need to boost construction for this, the timing works out well where it completes around the time you rank up to buy Squad Size 1. Research Alien Biotech>Officer Autopsy Build the proving ground as soon as you can and boost construction with the engineer. Build skull jack asap, boost speed with engineer. Once he's done, excavate last top square, build a power relay when you have the cash, excavate first square of 2nd level. You won't need to provide a construction boost the power relay. Resistance Comms>Modular weapons>Resistance Radio>Mag Weapons (interrupt mag weapons when black site vial and codex brain are available) Get squad size 1, do black site, take flash bang and skull jack officer for codex at first good opportunity (ASAP) Don't expand beyond the black site until you have the brain and the vial researched so they don't spawn their missions on the other side of the map. Your next objectives is to get to those asap while building relays/power and 2 radio towers. They should spawn 3-4 jumps away, this is a place you can get lucky or unlucky. Spend 40 intel for contact, spend 80 intel for second contact, build radio relay, make 3rd contact for 40 intel (and potential 4th contact for 80) and do the story mission as soon as you unlock it (Forge or Psi Gate). Start the research resulting from Forge or Psi Gate (which ever one you went after first), then start making contacts to the other. This urgency is key. It will take time (4-5 days or more each) for the story missions to complete in the shadow chamber and you will have a set amount of time to reach each story mission. You need to be progressing rapidly on both fronts, AND anticipate your supply/power/resistance contacts/relay needs in advance so you're not held up much if any waiting for buildings to complete. If you get that far with enough time left you've pretty much got it beat. Pick up research along the way as best you can while keeping the story going. You should have full tier 2 weapons and armor, a couple of exo suits, one of each specialized ammo, and plasma grenades by the final mission without trouble.
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So looking at the achievement in Steam, it seems like you get an extra two weeks (until July 15) for War of the Chosen. Any idea as to whether that's going to be any easier? harder? If dealing with the Chosen doesn't take any research/engineering time, then that's "free" time to get through the critical path, but you might not be able to hunt them all down before the end (so your final mission team would have to be able to deal with them).
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easier or harder is difficult to say considering all the mechanics we have in play currently, but the game is definitely going to be a lot more complex. the extra two weeks could be as simple as 'look dawg there's a lot going on and i don't want you hosed out of this because dice rolled bad so here you go'
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So they appeared to have disabled that midpoint tracking thing for pods in the expansion: a german LPer uploaded a video of him doing the new rescue mission type (rescuing Advent Worf) and he snuck by all patrolling pods, and thanks to a lucky hack reward that let him open the door to Mox's cell without breaking concealment, managed to get out without actually making contact with the enemy. (It also revealed the catch to the new rescue mission variant letting you call down your evac zone and not having a timer: the VIP will be knocked out, and carrying a unit will break your concealment and render you unable to stealth again, and the cherry on top of all that: the SITREP for the mission restricted him to a three man squad.)
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Exposure posted:So they appeared to have disabled that midpoint tracking thing for pods in the expansion: a german LPer uploaded a video of him doing the new rescue mission type (rescuing Advent Worf) and he snuck by all patrolling pods, and thanks to a lucky hack reward that let him open the door to Mox's cell without breaking concealment, managed to get out without actually making contact with the enemy. I'm pretty sure they said in the Lost and Abandoned video that that mission type is stealth-oriented, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was only disabled for that and not in general. Like I'd love for them to go full Invisible, Inc. and have stealth be an actually viable strategy* but I don't think that's in the cards outside of specific mission types  *I managed to fully stealth a Destroy the Base mission once, only to find out that planting the bomb automatically reveals you so you have to take at least one turn of fire unless you leave that soldier behind
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I haven't played this since launch, but I'm going to give LW2 a try. Any tips on getting started?
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:*I managed to fully stealth a Destroy the Base mission once, only to find out that planting the bomb automatically reveals you so you have to take at least one turn of fire unless you leave that soldier behind Wraith suit, find a way to only take one action getting to the place to plant the bomb (planting it is a free action) then use wraith mode to get out the building in one and and into the drop zone. Or if you can, (pod placement allowing) make planting it your first action, so you have 2 actions to get out. Either way, wraith mode helps. ^ play it again with the DLC (or wait until War of the Chosen). Then play Long War 2 if you really do feel masochistic, you know how Jade says the best way to play is to find ways to not leave things to chance? The Long War people say "EVERYTHING should be up to chance! Because challenge!", this results in stuff like explosives not being guaranteed to destroy cover, 100% chance shots having a chance to graze (a different mechanic than dodge in LW2) and other such things. Essentially, they seem to respond to statements like Jade's of "you should never leave things to chance" by thinking "if it is possible to not leave things up to chance, there is ultimately no challenge because you can just use what is reliable. Therefore, nothing should be reliable, this means it is impossible for things to not be up to chance, and this maximizes challenge". You can kinda see where the line of thinking comes from, nothing being reliable does make things harder, but to a lot of people it turns out that's just kinda really goddamn annoying. Wait, for some reason I thought this was the Lp thread, hence my comment about Jade Star. Oh well, still an XCOM thread, so the comment is still mostly relevant, the fact that Jade Star has nothing to do with this thread does not change the rest of my statement about how the Long War people hate reliability. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude. Stephen9001 fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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fadam posted:I haven't played this since launch, but I'm going to give LW2 a try. Any tips on getting started? Don't bother, wait until the DLC, it seems to do most of the stuff that's actually good in LW2 without all the tedious bullshit they jammed in there just because.
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fadam posted:I haven't played this since launch, but I'm going to give LW2 a try. Any tips on getting started? Read up on some stuff on the lw forum and tweak the inis to ur preference. theres some UI mods that help show off the stupid hidden mechanics. hav fun dude Fuzz posted:Don't bother, wait until the DLC, it seems to do most of the stuff that's actually good in LW2 without all the tedious bullshit they jammed in there just because. the most important thing, however, is never listen to goons who got pwned by the mod. its far from perfect dont get me wrong, but it's definitely much better than the base game rn.
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Also don't listen to people who sing Long Wars praises because they're broke brain weirdos who enjoy pointless busywork.
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But what if he is a broke brain weirdo who enjoys pointless busywork? Seriously though, LW isn't for everybody.
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Ya dude, the singing praise of telling you to edit the inis and install UI mods to tailor it to your own personal preference.
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XCOM 2: BROKE BRAIN MOUNTWHEN
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