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Call Me Charlie posted:Hey now, some times you have to make compromises and that's the best we can do in a republican stronghold like New York City. Sorry Fernando Cabrera isn't pure enough for you but did you see the other guys? New York non-national politics is so machine based that the parties have become almost indistinguishable in their ideologies.
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Jul 15, 2017 13:08
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I think what he is saying is that the democratic party did not offer much or any support during these races either monetarily or via endorsements, and in spite of this the candidates still pulled off an election. Getting defensive about legit criticisms is not going to move this party forward
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Jul 15, 2017 13:08
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Shuka posted:I think what he is saying is that the democratic party did not offer much or any support during these races either monetarily or via endorsements, and in spite of this the candidates still pulled off an election. surely those name-brand representatives would have won if they ran as independents
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Jul 15, 2017 13:11
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skylined! posted:surely those name-brand representatives would have won if they ran as independents skylined! posted:aggressive and aggressively dumb points of view Don't sign your posts.
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Jul 15, 2017 13:16
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Cerebral Bore posted:Don't sign your posts. are you also of the opinion that oklahoma democrats who just won election in oklahoma should not be considered part of the democratic party
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Jul 15, 2017 13:26
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skylined! posted:surely those name-brand representatives would have won if they ran as independents you're an idiot. We literally have a stronger libertarian presence on our ballots than dems.
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Jul 15, 2017 13:26
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Shuka posted:I think what he is saying is that the democratic party did not offer much or any support during these races either monetarily or via endorsements, and in spite of this the candidates still pulled off an election. That's exactly what I'm saying Amazingly centrist fools lose the ability to read when that gets in the way of trying to deflect criticism
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Jul 15, 2017 13:28
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Condiv posted:That's exactly what I'm saying which is both a fair statement, and not what you said. i'd suggest examining why it took someone else to decipher and then guess at what your true meaning was, but you don't seem to be someone who takes suggestion well quote:Amazingly centrist fools lose the ability to read when that gets in the way of trying to deflect criticism reflexively defensive goon makes the above statement, sits back in their chair smugly, celebrating another internet victory over those centrists
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Jul 15, 2017 13:35
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skylined! posted:surely those name-brand representatives would have won if they ran as independents also extremely lol that you actually think the democrat brand is what won these seats in Oklahoma I'm sure the blood red state of oklahoma voted for these peeps because of non-existent ties to hillary or obama
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Jul 15, 2017 13:35
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Condiv posted:also extremely lol that you actually think the democrat brand is what won these seats in Oklahoma Condiv posted:are you incapable of reading?  anyway have a happy saturday. i have been owned in the democrats are a waste thread.
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Jul 15, 2017 13:36
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skylined! posted:surely those name-brand representatives would have won if they ran as independents p. sure that the dem brand means, at best, jack and poo poo in flyover states candidates winning in red areas with no real support from their state/national party aren't winning because of their party affiliation. if anything, it's a testament to how terrible local republicans have become. quote:"I've seen a number of stories since last night trying to make that connection [to national politics] but what we heard while knocking doors and talking to voters across the district never gave me that impression," Gaddis told The Daily Beast. "Very few people made mention of Trump and instead talked about what was going on in our own state. They talked about how voting for the Republican in this race was just going to give us more of the same in Oklahoma."
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Jul 15, 2017 13:38
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skylined! posted:i'd suggest examining why it took someone else to decipher and then guess at what your true meaning was, but you don't seem to be someone who takes suggestion well My post wasn't the problem. Your need to immediately dismiss me as an idiot to defend the democrats was. Hence why you latched onto a message that wasn't there and dug in after multiple people told you "nah he's not saying that" quote:reflexively defensive goon makes the above statement, sits back in their chair smugly, celebrating another internet victory over those berniebros FTFY
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If it helps Skylined! Realize what Condiv is saying; if Quist won, he would respond to acting like Quist is representative of the democratic party with the same level of incredulity. Essentially, "last I checked the OK democrats are a part of the democratic party!" is almost fishmechian in its level of being technically correct without being practically correct in any sense of the word.
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Call Me Charlie posted:p. sure that the dem brand means, at best, jack and poo poo in flyover states Neurolimal posted:Essentially, "last I checked the OK democrats are a part of the democratic party!" is almost fishmechian in its level of being technically correct without being practically correct in any sense of the word. these are both things worth considering. thanks.
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Jul 15, 2017 14:28
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skylined! posted:i have been owned in the democrats are a waste thread. thats what happens when you fall on your sword to defend the democratic party get better opinions imo also don't take parting shots if you're just going to keep posting its bad form
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Jul 15, 2017 14:29
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skylined! posted:these are both things worth considering. thanks. Kudos on being more reasonable and adult-like than most D&D posters, especially ones that refuse to be Wrong On The Internet. I say that with peace and love, its nice to see occasions where people are willing to admit they erred  .
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Jul 15, 2017 14:38
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Neurolimal posted:Kudos on being more reasonable and adult-like than most D&D posters, especially ones that refuse to be Wrong On The Internet.
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Neurolimal posted:If it helps Skylined! Realize what Condiv is saying; if Quist won, he would respond to acting like Quist is representative of the democratic party with the same level of incredulity. good to see the mysterious ukmt redtext buyer is still doing the lord's work Doktor Avalanche fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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Jul 15, 2017 15:15
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Barbe Rouge posted:good to see the myterious ukmt redtext buyer is still doing the lord's work God bless them. On actual dem discussion: I think what bothers me most about the dem slogan candidates is how they sound like something workshopped from a Marvel focus group. I say that as someone who likes Marvel films; its that coy humor that makes sense in a lighthearted escapist fantasy, but not a serious party dealing with real issues. It's attempting to appear irreverent during a time where people need a genuine social equality party to revere and respect, and the party needs an identity worthy of reverence. Just think of recent slogans that have been happily embraced: Yes We Can, Feel the Bern (in reference to "holy poo poo a politician is saying that We need help), For The Many Not The Few, Make America Great Again (disconnect it from the fact that Trump immediately failed to live up to his slogan). All are serious declarations that invoke a respect for the people. Make Congress Blue again, just like I'm With Her, invokes a feeling of the democrats being owed power and allegiance.
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Jul 15, 2017 15:23
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defrauding banks is cool and good and should happen more often, in my opinion
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Jul 15, 2017 15:27
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It's because they feel they're owed power and allegiance and have no desire to deal with the real issues. They consider people not voting for them to be children throwing a tantrum.
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Inescapable Duck posted:It's because they feel they're owed power and allegiance and have no desire to deal with the real issues. They consider people not voting for them to be children throwing a tantrum. the way democrats talk about independent, third party, and nonvoters really weirds me out. All of those groups are as or nearly as evil as republicans no matter how closely they align with us. They didn't vote democrat, which makes them the worst. On the other hand, obviously lovely people like joe Scarborough are perfectly fine now cause they might vote dem now. It reminds me of the southern baptist bullshit I was forced to listen to in sunday school. It doesn't matter how good a person pretends to be, if they're not a Christian they're evil and going to hell. Likewise, the biggest sinner on earth can instantly receive redemption if he gets baptized and starts believing in jesus
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Jul 15, 2017 16:25
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Its kinda neat how post-2016 "fishmechian" is a slur with a broadly agreed-upon meaning.
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Inescapable Duck posted:It's because they feel they're owed power and allegiance and have no desire to deal with the real issues. They consider people not voting for them to be children throwing a tantrum. Its kinda like local government ransoming food stamps against participation in a program that requires taking low paying, unreliable, unskilled work with companies that get tax breaks for the compulsory labor. Its exploitative, nakedly corrupt, and reprehensible, but what else are you gonna do? Vote Republican? Class struggle at the DSS is real.
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Jul 15, 2017 18:09
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Willie Tomg posted:Its kinda neat how post-2016 "fishmechian" is a slur with a broadly agreed-upon meaning. fishmechian (adj.): "pertaining to a conclusion that is technically correct, but simultaneously misleading about a broader truth; usually addressing minutiae that only someone with profound autism could appreciate."
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Jul 15, 2017 18:32
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real talk the democratic party right now is absolutely disgusting because we let it get that way, people who couldn't cut it being republican decided to mosey on in with a new name tag and people automatically waved them in to poo poo all over the place. The amazing thing about 2017 is that there's a lot of pissed off angry people now and everyone's practically making an effort to show who these people are so they can get removed. MAYBE the democratic party won't be such a shithole like the republican party someday???????? does anyone even give a poo poo?
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Dizz posted:real talk the democratic party right now is absolutely disgusting because we let it get that way, people who couldn't cut it being republican decided to mosey on in with a new name tag and people automatically waved them in to poo poo all over the place. Its not that simple. You have to take into account the context of the political shift. The Southern strategy effectively reversed the Democratic and Republican parties. The old southern democrats were fairly conservative and the Clintons were the face of them, as of 2014, they no longer exist. The politics of the south are explicitly based on race, no political party is going to achieve dominance without pandering to the explicit white supremacist power structure that governs the south, the connection between race and party affiliation is nearly one to one in the deep south, and a political power changes carry overtones of violent ethnic retaliations like a third world country with tribal political structures. Northern liberals desperately want to ignore this, because there is no way they can indefinitely court wealthy donors and sell out the poor without leaving the Republican party as the only avenue of protest under a two party system with it as the sole proprietor of a 3rd world protofascist faction of the country. Nobody wants to hear it, but the South didn't go Republican because Nixon tricked them, it went south because the Democrats did the right thing and supported civil rights. The GOP was just willing to pick up the pieces. Rural areas are going to be 30% of the population and have 70 senators. Sanders crushed Trump utterly in head to head polls. The DNC is responsible for the situation because they're the only ones sane enough to even address it, but its not financially viable to have a populist party. If the DNC refuses to address reforms, vile hucksters like Rump are going to be an escalating threat, he fundamentally represents nihilistic anger, the result of people not caring because the criminality at the heart of the system is so pronounced only the most deranged are left to trick. The dismantling of unions was a Republican project that was accepted by Democrats because it was convenient, case in point the anti union scum the DNC took into the fold in PA to avoid any kind of contested election. The democrats were never what you imagined. Now with the abandonment of the new deal, the rise of the new democrats, etc, they're closer to the not-insane parts of the old GOP. The Democrats weren't perfect, and its white washing to pretend they were. However at this point become so degenerate their only appeal is not actively trying to murder millions of people. The increase in banditry is the mark of a collapsing society. Shukaro posted:Maybe we bar anyone with a net worth higher than 1 million or so from holding any office and also hang every lobbyist Or support a platform that isn't garbage.
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Majorian posted:fishmechian (adj.): "pertaining to a conclusion that is technically correct, but simultaneously misleading about a broader truth; usually addressing minutiae that only someone with profound autism could appreciate." see also: Vox
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Shukaro posted:Maybe we bar anyone with a net worth higher than 1 million or so from holding any office and also hang every lobbyist $1 million ain't exactly that much these days, I'm afraid. Make it $10 million. botany posted:see also: Vox He and I may have butted heads once or twice over the years, yes. 
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Majorian posted:$1 million ain't exactly that much these days, I'm afraid.  Come on, Majorian, you're better than this.Like, this is shit_centrists_say.txt
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Jul 15, 2017 21:34
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Majorian posted:He and I may have butted heads once or twice over the years, yes. that works too but i was referring to Ezra Klein, Matt Yglesias and those other professional forest-for-trees-missers over at vox.com
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After helping lead the very important job of firing teachers from public schools while increasing spending on charter schools, Pod save the people host Deray McKesson has decided that his mission is complete, so he will quit his $165k a year job as head of human resources for Baltimore's public schools. I hope he can keep fighting the good fight of educating pop celebs on cultural appropriation, complaining about blue vests on planet of the apes, and cheerleading for privatization of public school systems and firing teachers mid-class. Key section on new budget: quote:The budget for the fiscal year beginning July 1 represents a 2.6 percent decrease from this year. Santelises' budget decreases per-pupil funding for traditional schools by about $150, bringing the total to $5,416 for next year.
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e: redacted since this page is for giggles and rainbows with idiot centrists who don't know how to read - I'm sure skylined! will give me other opportunities to meanpost
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Condiv posted:the argument i heard wrt that was that those were pledges, and pledges tend to break their funding promises all the time. cause that's what they are, promises and not contracts. likewise, said pledges are likely to lie and say "i didn't offer $X support!" if it comes out that they pledged $X but ended up giving $Y, because going back on your word is p embarrassing, and them doing such tanked the college the pledged to support. Hm, so I guess that in that case it could turn into a "he said she said" situation? Though it seems like this wouldn't apply if there were some documentation saying they pledged $X and then Sanders' wife told the bank that they were owed more-than-$X from that source as part of the loan application. The main reason I said "from what I understand" in my initial post is that I'm relying upon 1. the information in the articles I read being true and 2. it being as incriminating as it sounds to a legal layperson (like myself). But assuming that the allegations themselves don't include complete lies, I don't think it's really safe to just assume this is a "nothingburger" so to speak (for his wife, anyways; see my earlier comments about the inherent irony in using something Sanders' wife did to condemn him).
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Call Me Charlie posted:p. sure that the dem brand means, at best, jack and poo poo in flyover states  A winning message?
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I for one am heartened by this bold new vision for American leadership.
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Ytlaya posted:Hm, so I guess that in that case it could turn into a "he said she said" situation? Though it seems like this wouldn't apply if there were some documentation saying they pledged $X and then Sanders' wife told the bank that they were owed more-than-$X from that source as part of the loan application. the allegations are completely word of mouth from a ranking member of the vt gop
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