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shyduck posted:Regarding Framemeister, The 'My Life In Gaming' guys learned from somebody with Micomsoft knowledge that the company only has basically one engineer, and they're not keen on the being in the upscaler business. Grain of salt, but doesn't sound good for an updated one. How has noone else made something to compete yet? The OSSC is fine, but not really the same thing. At that price point you'd think there would've been some competition by now.
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i dont get the mario sunshine thing. someone pls explain it to me
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mycophobia posted:I posted about this in some imp zone thread but basically the contiguous nature of the SMW world, where you can go back and forth and take shortcuts through Star Road and stuff, made a really big impression on me as a kid, whereas SMB3 was just eight separate maps you go through in sequence. It seems like a small thing but being able to walk through Bowser's lair by finding a secret in Donut Land blew my mind when I was little. SMW is just chock full of all sorts of cool secret poo poo. I also like cape Mario better than raccoon Mario. Not to mention better graphics, sound, etc, but I will say SMW does lack some of the level variety of SMB3. Overall, SMW wins out for me easy, though I could probably go the rest of my life without playing either of them again lol. Super Mario World has more secrets, but I think the hidden things in Super Mario Bros. 3 are neater, or at least they were back in the day. World's extra stages and alternate routes seem formalized by the time you've figured out that red dots denote levels with multiple exits. SMB3's secrets are weird and unexpected: the coin ship, the Hammer Suit, that part of 1-3 where you duck into the background and it feels like you're breaking into the game to find a warp whistle. That hits harder, in my opinion.
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Jul 16, 2017 01:44
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mycophobia posted:...? It was originally an internal demo made by an experimental team and had no affiliation with Mario. It was just a fun game where a dude would use water to wash off inks and stuff. Then everybody played all the demos, decided that was the most fun demo, and decided to make it a Mario game. That was pretty early in development, but still. Its a silly no true scotsman argument. mycophobia posted:i dont get the mario sunshine thing. someone pls explain it to me Dude just wait 5 minutes so I can post already
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Jul 16, 2017 01:49
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Sir Tonk posted:How has noone else made something to compete yet? The OSSC is fine, but not really the same thing. At that price point you'd think there would've been some competition by now. Its very niche and requires a ton of computer know how and engineering? Even at that price point they may not be making that much money. Hasn't there only been thousands of these sold? Maybe tens of thousands?
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Jul 16, 2017 01:54
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Kid Fenris posted:Super Mario World has more secrets, but I think the hidden things in Super Mario Bros. 3 are neater, or at least they were back in the day. World's extra stages and alternate routes seem formalized by the time you've figured out that red dots denote levels with multiple exits. SMB3's secrets are weird and unexpected: the coin ship, the Hammer Suit, that part of 1-3 where you duck into the background and it feels like you're breaking into the game to find a warp whistle. That hits harder, in my opinion. that's the thing: these secrets are random; they just pop up like its a board game. whereas smw's secrets belong to the world you're traveling in. basically in the long run it contributes more to an immersive game world to be told that you can explore and find hidden routes than it is to just randomly collect all the coins in 1-4 and have a bonus game pop up.
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Jul 16, 2017 01:55
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Zaphod42 posted:It was originally an internal demo made by an experimental team and had no affiliation with Mario. It was just a fun game where a dude would use water to wash off inks and stuff. Then everybody played all the demos, decided that was the most fun demo, and decided to make it a Mario game. oh ok my bad. i thought you were talking poo poo about mario sunshine. i didnt know that, cool.
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Jul 16, 2017 01:58
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mycophobia posted:oh ok my bad. i thought you were talking poo poo about mario sunshine. i didnt know that, cool. Nah, and I don't think anybody was even saying Mario 2 / Doki Doki was bad necessarily? Just that it "wasn't officially Mario" which is silly. Who cares. Canon is dumb. Just play fun games  nothing else matters.
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Jul 16, 2017 02:03
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mycophobia posted:that's the thing: these secrets are random; they just pop up like its a board game. whereas smw's secrets belong to the world you're traveling in. basically in the long run it contributes more to an immersive game world to be told that you can explore and find hidden routes than it is to just randomly collect all the coins in 1-4 and have a bonus game pop up. To this day, I still have never had a white mushroom house appear in SMB3.
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Jul 16, 2017 02:07
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Ineffiable posted:Its very niche and requires a ton of computer know how and engineering? Even at that price point they may not be making that much money. Hasn't there only been thousands of these sold? Maybe tens of thousands? It's like with the analogue nt mini. They found someone that knew enough to program the FPGA and worked with him on a console. There's got to be a company out there like analog or hyperkin that's willing to front the research funding. People would eat up a version that had either RGB BNC or full size SCART connectors, I know I'd like one. Jason at gametechus was saying they've sold more than 3000 Hi-Def NES kits and that's including the analogue systems.
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Jul 16, 2017 02:14
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Zaphod42 posted:Nah, and I don't think anybody was even saying Mario 2 / Doki Doki was bad necessarily? Just that it "wasn't officially Mario" which is silly. Who cares. Canon is dumb. Just play fun games My Mario canon involves a whole lot of golfing and fires bullet bills. Rollersnake posted:To this day, I still have never had a white mushroom house appear in SMB3. Really? I get a few when I just play normally.
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Jul 16, 2017 02:18
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Random Stranger posted:Really? I get a few when I just play normally. I don't remember if the old Mario Mania guide didn't tell you the precisely correct way to get it or if I couldn't follow instructions properly, but I was never able to get one to appear when I was a kid even when I was trying for it. Never accidentally triggered one either, though I've had the coin ship appear lots of times.
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Jul 16, 2017 02:26
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I want to add that SMW is 9.95 (minus 5th of a point because it has like 5 tilesets). SMB3 is just perfect 10 therefor better.mycophobia posted:i dont get the mario sunshine thing. someone pls explain it to me It's ostensibly Super Mario 64, a game with one of the most diverse move sets in any 3D platformer, and they bolt on a new mode of transportation just for the hell of it. The best levels are when you lose the pack. Everything else is too big and uninteresting with weird floating platforms and impossible architecture (I mean, more so than your average Mario game) that exists only to justify FLUDD. Mario Galaxy is the fixed Sunshine.
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Jul 16, 2017 03:31
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Sir Tonk posted:How has noone else made something to compete yet? The OSSC is fine, but not really the same thing. At that price point you'd think there would've been some competition by now. It's mostly because upscalers sell to an absolutely tiny audience. Most TV's are good enough at upscaling DVD's or VHS/Laserdiscs so the potential customer base for these upscalers these days are only a very small portion of retro game nerds.
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Jul 16, 2017 03:50
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Yeah, especially since a VHS or laserdisc or DVD player is going to put out a very close to standards picture in the first place if it's working. None of the mess of weird barely compliant hacky video like some consoles do. This is also why putting 720/1080 scaling into a custom console easy, you only need to support one system worth of quirks, not all of them.
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Jul 16, 2017 03:54
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al-azad posted:I want to add that SMW is 9.95 (minus 5th of a point because it has like 5 tilesets). SMB3 is just perfect 10 therefor better. what the gently caress is this poo poo. oh whoops i forgot i was in Games lol
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Jul 16, 2017 04:02
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SMW and SMB3 are both good games. However, since we skipped the SNES growing up, SMB3 is my favorite between the two since I didn't play SMW until decades later. That said, I probably would grab SMB2 off the shelf just as much as I'd grab 3.
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Jul 16, 2017 04:38
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Rirse posted:I mentioned last page, but anyone here willing to fit my GBA with the backlight mod with a new case? After the bad experience I had with it, I just rather get a goon who knows how to get it assembled right. If I did this I would just sent the motherboard for the GBA out, since the old screws probably will strip if I try putting them back in. Assuming you have the ribbon cable adapter and whatnot. It doesn't seem like a hard mod to just do yourself. Granted I just bought mine premodded since it was only $20-$30 more than getting everything together myself at the time. Did you get the brand new casing/buttons/glass screen too? I'd offer to take a crack at it for you since I am pretty fair at modding and soldering, however I have a kid due to be born in the next 2 weeks and wouldn't be able to get to it in a timely manner. Maybe message Monitor Burn?
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Jul 16, 2017 04:43
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Random Stranger posted:The first Mario Land set a standard for the Game Boy: make a really bad version of a game on the console. I'll give them credit that it controls fine and the music is good, but the levels are terrible. the ball power up is poorly utilized, and why are all the bosses in shooters? I don't know if the fact that it is both absurdly easy and short is a good or a bad thing in this case. I remember spending an entire summer trying to beat this game. I finally did, then I stopped playing it. It even resulted in kid-me writing a letter to the company that made the Game Genie begging for a Gameboy one. I have no illusions that the letter influenced them, but one did eventually come out. I never got it though.
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FireMrshlBill posted:Assuming you have the ribbon cable adapter and whatnot. It doesn't seem like a hard mod to just do yourself. Granted I just bought mine premodded since it was only $20-$30 more than getting everything together myself at the time. It doesn't matter now, because taking it apart from the striped screws messed up the motherboard so it dead now. Well that was a waste of ten dollars for the old GBA, as at least I can return the lovely backlight kit.
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Jul 16, 2017 05:23
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Rollersnake posted:I don't remember if the old Mario Mania guide didn't tell you the precisely correct way to get it or if I couldn't follow instructions properly, but I was never able to get one to appear when I was a kid even when I was trying for it. Never accidentally triggered one either, though I've had the coin ship appear lots of times. I think it's my habit of obsessively collecting everything that makes sure I get some while mushroom houses. al-azad posted:It's ostensibly Super Mario 64, a game with one of the most diverse move sets in any 3D platformer, and they bolt on a new mode of transportation just for the hell of it. The best levels are when you lose the pack. Everything else is too big and uninteresting with weird floating platforms and impossible architecture (I mean, more so than your average Mario game) that exists only to justify FLUDD. There could have been a very good game featuring FLUDD and the movement mechanics. But I feel like they tried to bolt it onto Mario style levels and that's what made Sunshine unpleasant. Maybe Splatoon is Sunshine done right. 
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Rollersnake posted:I don't remember if the old Mario Mania guide didn't tell you the precisely correct way to get it or if I couldn't follow instructions properly, but I was never able to get one to appear when I was a kid even when I was trying for it. Never accidentally triggered one either, though I've had the coin ship appear lots of times. White mushroom houses are triggered by collecting basically every coin on particular stages, while the coin ships can be triggered at the end of any stage in theory, so that's not surprising. Accidentally finding the coin ship + triggering the Duck Vader fight in Tiny Toon Adventures blew my drat mind as a kid.
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Zaphod42 posted:Nah, and I don't think anybody was even saying Mario 2 / Doki Doki was bad necessarily? Just that it "wasn't officially Mario" which is silly. Who cares. Canon is dumb. Just play fun games It's wrong anyway. Guess where Shy Guys and Birdo came from?
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I'm saying it's bad, gently caress Doki Doki.
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Try playing Doki Doki Panic and it makes you wonder if it got nerfed because they knew it was becoming SMB2. DDP wouldn't let you loving RUN
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It's wrong anyway. Guess where Shy Guys and Birdo came from? Yeah we'd already covered that bit 
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https://twitter.com/orion80/status/886511955535552512 Gorgeous.
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The XRGB news is actually quite unsettling, because sooner or later 4k TVs will presumably replace their 1080p counterparts more or less across the board. While I assume/hope that the upscalers in these 4k sets are a lot better, and going 1080p->2060p using the existing XRGB is still probably an improvement over say trying 240p/480p directly into the TV, that's still some extra lag being introduced. I hope somehow, if not Micomsoft, still steps up the place down the road with a 4k upscaler.
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Nate RFB posted:The XRGB news is actually quite unsettling, because sooner or later 4k TVs will presumably replace their 1080p counterparts more or less across the board. While I assume/hope that the upscalers in these 4k sets are a lot better, and going 1080p->2060p using the existing XRGB is still probably an improvement over say trying 240p/480p directly into the TV, that's still some extra lag being introduced. I hope somehow, if not Micomsoft, still steps up the place down the road with a 4k upscaler. Isn't 4k a really loving good size because it's 720p exactly 9 times and 1080p exactly 4 times which means it can upscale with very minimal issues?
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Ineffiable posted:Isn't 4k a really loving good size because it's 720p exactly 9 times and 1080p exactly 4 times which means it can upscale with very minimal issues? Yep, but the new odd one out is 480p which doesn't integer scale into 4K. We'll have to wait for 8K TVs to finally integer scale every resolution from 240p to 4K. Also, the exciting thing about 4K that gets overlooked a lot is that with that many pixels (and HDR) you can scale 240p and accurately simulate CRT subpixels, shadow mask, bloom, scanlines, etc. Once 4K HDR PC monitors become an affordable thing, look for crazy screenshots of what the future of scaling old CRT sources will look like.
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I think 4k is a good size for upscaling because it means the pixels will be the correct size but I don't think it helps with lag or anything.
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Uncle at Nintendo posted:I think 4k is a good size for upscaling because it means the pixels will be the correct size but I don't think it helps with lag or anything.
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Ebay scam check, what's up with this listing? http://www.ebay.com/itm/332306703783 He has it listed as auction but says buy it now only but doesn't have that option set. It most certainly seems to be too good of a deal @ $1k, just curious if folks have seen this before.
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falz posted:Ebay scam check, what's up with this listing? 100% scam. Anyone who messages him will be asked to complete the transaction outside of eBay's systems, and that's the last you'll see of your money. Report the listing, not that eBay will actually do anything about it. VVVV: Could be a stolen eBay account. xamphear fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Reported that + this other one http://www.ebay.com/itm/332306704004 (same seller, same price). His account is from 2010, unsure how a scam seller would be able to have 100% positive feedback and a long-ish term account. Edit: weird, his ebay ID changed today, perhaps it's a hacked account OR he just went rogue. falz fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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falz posted:Ebay scam check, what's up with this listing? Why does eBay make it so hard to report listings?
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falz posted:Ebay scam check, what's up with this listing? Complete scam, any form of payment outside of official ebay buy it now dodges fees and you wouldn't get Ebay's Guarantee on stuff. As for Neo Geo stuff goes.. I mean its too good to be true. That carry bag goes for way too much money by itself  Speaking of which, getting back into dusting off the old consoles and going through the RGB -> HD process and scratching my head. SCART? I mean, I did this before back in the 90's, back then in North America, everything was console system -> BNC or console system to -> 25 pin DB and despite what a few youtube channels said, you could get North American TV's with RGB, but it was just a handful of models.. a few Mitsubishi/NEC high-end models and the Sony Pro Feel line all had DB-25 connectors on them. Kinda odd to see the modern method is to use system -> scart -> BNC -> RGB/upscaler route, but I guess its cost considerations. That being said, I'm testing out the waters with a Genesis system and not having much luck, I got a flat panel and a BVM and I'm not getting RGB out, it looks like the cheapo cinpel amazon Genesis to Scart cables are non spec. I checked the pin outs with a meter and there's missing voltage here and there, it's not Scart or JP-21 so I'm sending that back and ordering something from a better vendor. Not surprised, the Cinpel Scart was $9, the Scart -> RGBs with sync strip ran me $50. Going to need a quality DIN -> Scart cable .. and so far it looks like my only option is the retro game cable guys in the UK. Right now I'm running systems into a extron 304 DVI upscaler, which .. I'll be happy with assuming I can get my SCART sitaution unfucked. Hopefully in time for my Neo Geo AES to show up, I was debating going the supergun/MVS route or getting an AES but I found a JP console which already had the RGBS capacitor mod done to it and the universal bios installed so I pulled the trigger on it. Plus it ships with a working Euroscart cable so that'll be something I can add to the future pile of cables I'm going to need.
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That listing has been nuked, so it seems the reports worked nice and promptly.
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