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Rebochan posted:My first shipped game had a completely different protagonist from the one we showed when we first demonstrated the project at E3... except my game wasn't remotely famous or anything so nobody really noticed XD The game we shipped had a storyline banged out in the final six months of a six *year* dev cycle. Wait a minute, this wouldn't happen to be Devil's Third, would it? Because if it is I absolutely want to know more about what happened during the development of that game.
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FoldableHuman posted:I am authentically excited for Detroit if only because David Cage makes exactly my brand of pretentious garbage. I know that no matter what, even if it's crap (which it is very likely to be) it will at least be the deeply baffling decisions of a clumsy auteur. I am an unashamed Heavy Rain fan but I still acknowledge it has lots of problems. Even still, I agree with what you said about Ethan and first impressions. The best storytelling in the game is the prologue and after the opening credits. Seeing Ethan all happy and fulfilled, living his sunny life with his family. Living the dream, basically. Then Jason dies and we cut to the present where we see the sorry state Ethan has been reduced to, standing against the rain-filled and dismal backdrop we will see for the rest of the game. I thought that was all very effective. Shelby was my favorite however, even though I had it spoiled. My own fault for reading too much about the game. Internet people have actually been pretty cool about keeping the Origami Killer identity a secret. Say what you want about Cage's storytelling, all the climaxes have proper build-up. For the entire game, Shelby has been the most rear end-kicking of the four protagonists. Jayden meanwhile is just getting better at tanking punches and Madison is of course a runner because she's a 90-pound reporter. All these things are reflected in these various ending fights. Although my favorite ending is having Lauren kill Scott. I liked Scott's story because he's a lovely person but not all lovely people are 100% poo poo and doing your best to keep Lauren alive, or saving the corrupt businessman trying to protect his son, is interesting in retrospect. I loved Heavy Rain's music, too. And this  All-in-all, while Beyond let me down, I am looking forward to Detroit. It helps I'm from Detroit. Sorry, I just found this thread. If you do end up making a review of Cage's games, I will be watching! NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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ApeHawk posted:Horizon and New Vegas had the same lead writers. Oh poo poo, are they on the same quality level? I love New Vegas but never played Horizon because AAA open world game.
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Jul 15, 2017 11:03
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JordanKai posted:Wait a minute, this wouldn't happen to be Devil's Third, would it? Because if it is I absolutely want to know more about what happened during the development of that game. No, it actually wasn't that one, though I suspect there's some fascinating stories behind that one. Actually, I always suspect there's some insane stories in Japanese game dev that we never hear about, either due to them have a less leaky culture or they're just less likely to post them in English.
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What was the game if you're allowed to share?
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watho posted:Oh poo poo, are they on the same quality level? I love New Vegas but never played Horizon because AAA open world game. dude horizon is really loving good
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watho posted:Oh poo poo, are they on the same quality level? I love New Vegas but never played Horizon because AAA open world game. Considering it's an open world game for a new IP, it's astounding. Even the optional text documents you can find (particularly the Vantage points) are really good. The way the story unfolds as you explore the world is organic and beautifully set up. Oh, and the gameplay is really fun.
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watho posted:Oh poo poo, are they on the same quality level? I love New Vegas but never played Horizon because AAA open world game. Isn't New Vegas technically a AAA open-world game?
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Darth Walrus posted:Isn't New Vegas technically a AAA open-world game? Not quite in the usual sense. It resembles Obsidian's old-school topdown RPGs a lot more, and it restricts you progression in the world a fair amount in order to work better with the narrative. These days when people think of AAA Open World the comparison they're mostly making is to games like Assassin's Creed and GTA, games that follow those formulas or something similar. It's a genre that's gotten pretty stagnant and repetitive so a lot of gamers have gotten burnt out and are skeptical of new ones that show signs of being formulaic.
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Darth Walrus posted:Isn't New Vegas technically a AAA open-world game? That phrase usually refers specifically to open-world games that take their mechanics from third-person action games (e.g. Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Grand Theft Auto) while games like New Vegas are more often considered Open World RPGs. Both types of games have the same goal, create an illusion of total freedom by allowing you to tackle minor objectives any order with multiple strategies, but mechanically pull from wildly different origins. Also on a completely different subject from your actual question, I don't mentally file Obsidian as a AAA developer. There really needs to be some sort of middle-designation for developers who are too big and well-established to be considered Indie Developers but don't make games with the same scale and budget as Call of Duty, Assassins Creed, or GTA.
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New Butt Order posted:Also on a completely different subject from your actual question, I don't mentally file Obsidian as a AAA developer. There really needs to be some sort of middle-designation for developers who are too big and well-established to be considered Indie Developers but don't make games with the same scale and budget as Call of Duty, Assassins Creed, or GTA. That's ridiculous. They're absolutely a AAA developer, their games have had big budgets, big teams, and are marketed in big mainstream ways. While they don't have the biggest budget, the biggest team, the biggest marketing spend out of all developers, they're definitely within the AAA realm. What else would you call them? Indie? Does "AAA" now only mean "Gives an E3 press conference?"
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WampaLord posted:That's ridiculous. They're absolutely a AAA developer, their games have had big budgets, big teams, and are marketed in big mainstream ways. While they don't have the biggest budget, the biggest team, the biggest marketing spend out of all developers, they're definitely within the AAA realm. IndAAAy.
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WampaLord posted:That's ridiculous. They're absolutely a AAA developer, their games have had big budgets, big teams, and are marketed in big mainstream ways. While they don't have the biggest budget, the biggest team, the biggest marketing spend out of all developers, they're definitely within the AAA realm. Did you even read my post? I literally said that I wouldn't consider them indie and specifically lamented that there wasn't a third designation. They absolutely do not pull from the same support structure that publisher-owned companies like Bioware and Bethesda (the developer) have and there's no way you can seriously argue that Tyranny and Pillars of Eternity are even designed to compete in the same space as Mass Effect or Fallout 4. There's a huge gulf between Indie's "we use pixel graphics because we can't afford anything better" and AAA's "gigantic genre-defining yearly-release blockbuster." It'd be nice to have a universally understood designation for that between-space. Like how a B-movie isn't an Indie Arthouse Film or a Major Hollywood Release. Absurd Alhazred posted:IndAAAy. This guy. New Butt Order fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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The word I'd use to describe Obsidian is "mercenary" over anything else. It takes a lot to sell your services to big publishers without getting bought out.
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New Butt Order posted:This guy.  Seriously, though, why not just AA/A? It could be a spectrum.
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Arcsquad12 posted:The word I'd use to describe Obsidian is "mercenary" over anything else. It takes a lot to sell your services to big publishers without getting bought out. And then you keep releasing unfinished games because the big boys called and told you to ship it now and gently caress your story. Only Obsidian games I played are KOTOR 2 and New Vegas. Both had better writing and stories than the previous BioWare/Bethesda efforts but you could see the seams in The Sith Lords and there were several really good ideas cut from NV that I read about from JE Sawyer and Chris Avellone. Also, while I was highly impressed with Obsidian's writing in those two games, they were coming on some of the weaker stuff from both BW and Bethesda. I just noticed Obsidian has some pretty obsessive fans who poo poo on everyone else.
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CharlestheHammer posted:What is with people and insane interpretations of WW2 Yes, this is exactly how I genuinely believe WW2 went down. I also believe that the moon is made of green cheese and that dragons are real.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Yes, this is exactly how I genuinely believe WW2 went down. I also believe that the moon is made of green cheese and that dragons are real. Do dragons eat cheese? Asking for a friend.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Do dragons eat cheese? Asking for a friend. 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:
It could be. Theoretically for a developer to be AAA, there must be AA and A designations that it surpasses, but literally nobody has ever described a developer as either of those. I was originally going to say that Obsidian was "really more of a AA developer" in that previous post but I figured people would misinterpret that as me trying to insult them. Absurd Alhazred posted:
http://lizardshuffle.tumblr.com/tagged/hoards All their stuff is cute and good.
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^^^^^ Or follow that link.Absurd Alhazred posted:
Google "unusual dragon hoards". There are tons. The artist is called Iguanamouth. Tarquinn fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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New Butt Order posted:It could be. Theoretically for a developer to be AAA, there must be AA and A designations that it surpasses, but literally nobody has ever described a developer as either of those. I was originally going to say that Obsidian was "really more of a AA developer" in that previous post but I figured people would misinterpret that as me trying to insult them. Yeah, probably mostly because it's not well-developed. Hotels do present themselves as, say, 3 vs 5 star, just to express the level of service rather than denigrate their own quality. quote:
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I remember seeing AA used to refer to developers like THQ before they shut down, but that it stopped being a thing precisely because developers like that ended up folding or being absorbed by larger corporations and put to working on the AAA titles.
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https://twitter.com/TerrancezeKhan/status/886304021304225792 I so will never get Twitter culture. EDIT: Context https://twitter.com/shaun_jen/status/886311327786045442 MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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Jul 15, 2017 20:57
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So the latest Night Mind video has him talking about another reviewer, Jordan Underneath. Has anyone ever watched his stuff? Night Mind had high praise for him, but I never heard of him and was wondering if anyone else had.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:So the latest Night Mind video has him talking about another reviewer, Jordan Underneath. Has anyone ever watched his stuff? Night Mind had high praise for him, but I never heard of him and was wondering if anyone else had. I did for a long while. I think's he good, I enjoyed pretty much all his stuff. Certainly better than EverymanHYBRID,.
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Darth Walrus posted:Isn't New Vegas technically a AAA open-world game? Yes but it also came out in a time where the market wasn't flooded by them. Thanks for the recommendations btw, I'll check it out when I'm not completely broke. e: New night mind video is pretty good, the new Nyx Fears video that he appears in is really good. Dan Olson (do you have Swedish heritage?) gets a shoutout in it. watho fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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NikkolasKing posted:
Just because they are sequels to games with less than stellar writing shouldn't be a mark against the product itself. You rarely see people complain about the writing in obsidian games, while you can quite easily and rightfully criticize their gameplay and stability. I think the latter point ties into the debate on actual game writing quality. Bioware and Bethesda are repeatedly praised for their stories in gaming media coverage, while Obsidian writing is usually overlooked to focus on which game breaking bug it is this month. Here you can see why an obsidian fan might find bias in the media coverage due to Bethesda just as often if not more having horrendous bugs, or Bioware writing simply being passable while their game play chases current trends. I think why new Vegas is so beloved is because of its writing and the willingness some people have to put up with mediocre gunplay to experience it. I can't even imagine playing new Vegas without mods anymore and I've had to Frankenstein a load of mods to make it tolerable. But the level of care put into the dialogue system and the variety of options it provides players is unmatched outside of purestrain CRPGs from the 90s. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Here you can see why an Obsidian fan might find bias in the media coverage due to Bethesda just as often if not more having horrendous bugs, or Bioware writing simply being passable while their game play chases current trends. Even more when you realize that the QA and all of that on New Vegas was done by Bethesda.
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Pshaw, as if there was a Black Isle game that wasn't also a vibrant nest of bugs.
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Yardbomb posted:Even more when you realize that the QA and all of that on New Vegas was done by Bethesda. To be more precise, they did barely any QA. I wouldn't be shocked if they just looked at Goodsprings and went "nothing is broken, ship the title"
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Jim Sterling found what could almost be passed off as a a Steam port of an unreleased (and unfinished) Dreamcast game from 2001 (well, except for using assets from the Unity store...): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL0byIABEF4 (Seriously, how did they manage to get a Unity game to look that ugly?!)
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Arcsquad12 posted:Bioware and Bethesda are repeatedly praised for their stories in gaming media coverage, Who are these wrong people
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TheMaestroso posted:Who are these wrong people I direct you to HBomb's Fallout 3 video, where morality is displayed in a video review by attacking a friendly super mutant upon seeing him, or an entire town turning hostile because you pick up a fork.
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Jul 16, 2017 01:31
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Oh boyyyyy laci green's gone completely down the shithole.
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Night Mind talks about Jordan Underneath's transition from Indie horror game reviewer to master surreal puppeteer.
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yea Laci went the route of that other dude who got called a cuck so hard by the alt right morons he just decided to join them, except this time instead of some ant covered game journalist it's an actually respected sex educator spreading bigoted bullshit, so that's cool
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