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Robot Hobo posted:Nixon was a bit odd like that. Some people close to him felt that Nixon's politics were surprisingly liberal... when he was sober. When he'd been drinking though, he passed right through conservative and landed at paranoid authoritarian. His drinking problem got worse and worse as his presidency went on, and we know how that ended. I had a college professor that worked in the Nixon white house. One on one, Nixon was very personable, and absolutely adored children. This was a comms class, so he would note the differences between his own experiences and the media narratives of Nixon. He never once defended Watergate, though.
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Robot Hobo posted:That's when I really started to realize that there was a massive difference between "News" and "Conservative News." I remember when Fox News spent a while attacking Sesame Street because the show had the audacity to say that sharing was a good thing. Sharing! Taught to our children! How dare they indoctrinate children with such liberal/socialist brainwashing. Don't forget when they went after Mr. Roger's because he had the audacity of telling kids they were special just the way they are. https://youtu.be/29lmR_357rA
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KickerOfMice posted:My friend, you're bringing a knife to a toe-claw fight. GreyjoyBastard posted:Can chickens disembowel you, generally? No? I didn't think so. Yeah. That's exactly why.  e: GreyjoyBastard posted:Well duh, why do you think Australian cats have the stingers on their extra claw and their tail?  Actual Australian cat. mynnna fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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BrandorKP posted:Have you spent time in these areas? Are you only relying on demographic data? Yes, I have lived in the East for a year, in Vermont. I have visited 44 states. I have lived on three continents, as well. I mean, that is how I understand this stuff. I went to Vermont, and at first I was amazed because I met a kid who had grown up on Long Island, and so I asked him "Oh, so you spend a lot of time in New York City?" and he answered "I've been to the city once or twice, but I don't really like it". I know that to people in the Northeast, their fifth of the country is the only show, and that their is this supposed gigantic difference between Connecticut and New Jersey. I know that there is this big subjective regionalism, but it is because the people there don't realize how big the country is, what differences there are. To them, the difference between New York and Ohio is the end of the story. I mean, if your point is that subjective differences can be real, I agree. That is how Trump won: by convincing suburbanites in Ohio that they were the great neglected hinterland, instead of a place that is objectively part of the Eastern United States' main political and social nexus. Trump even has said, at a point where he was like less than 200 miles from Washington, D.C., that it was good to escape Washington, and be in the "real America". And this was like...two hours drive from Washington, D.C. We went from a President who was born in Hawaii, grew up in Indonesia, went to college in Los Angeles, New York and Boston, lived in Chicago, to a president whose worldview is that suburban Pennsylvania is the "Real America" I don't agree with it, but I know that a lot of people think that way.
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Holy lol "I know those perfidious east coasters, I lived in Vermont for a year!" gently caress off back to flyover land.
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BrandorKP posted:The best advice I was given as a child was: I am very willing to hear the opinions of people who have traveled and lived in different parts of the United States, and who have lived in different countries. I've crossed the country on bus and train several times. I don't know if many of the people who have disagreed with me have done so.
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Ogmius815 posted:Holy lol "I know those perfidious east coasters, I lived in Vermont for a year!" I don't even live in the United States.
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Am I losing my mind or something? So Trump comes out in the past couple of days saying he'll be mad if the republicans can't pass the
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Same Great Paste posted:Am I losing my mind or something? There shall not remain A single unbroken American brain
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glowing-fish posted:he was like less than 200 miles Distance is relative too.
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Same Great Paste posted:Am I losing my mind or something? So Trump comes out in the past couple of days saying he'll be mad if the republicans can't pass the
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BrandorKP posted:Distance is relative too. I know it is. Imagine how you might view distance if you are six years old, and you are living in Indonesia. You live with your mother and a man who functions as a father, but you are told you have another father, who you've never seen. Your mother shows you a globe and explains the difference between where you are now and the continent where your father lives. And then there is a big ocean and she tries to explain that these little specks are places you might remember from when you are three or four. And then she says you are a citizen of the United States and those little specks are just a part of it, and your grandparents come from the middle of it. Imagine how you would stare at that globe and try to understand how big the world is, where these people that you have only heard of or barely remember live. That is a subjective experience. So is growing up in a metropolis in the East Coast, driving 50 miles into the country for summer camp, and thinking of that as pretty much the end of the world. One subjective experience gives people a much richer and fuller version of the world. Only, its really not richer because it is lost. The view of the United States as a nation of ideas was lost. And it lost to the vision of the United States as a limited country, with one lifestyle and geographic region being the "real America" And the majority of this thread not only accepts that, accepts the idea of a limited United States defined by a limited geography, they literallly can't imagine anything differently.
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Mister Adequate posted:If you're looking for another, "Best thing about America" polls conducted abroad routinely return an extremely positive opinion of NASA. I'm with the folks who assert we have objectively proven that the United States does not have secret evidence of extraterrestrial life visiting Earth, because Donald Trump would not have been able to keep it secret for longer than six and a half minutes at most.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I'm with the folks who assert we have objectively proven that the United States does not have secret evidence of extraterrestrial life visiting Earth, because Donald Trump would not have been able to keep it secret for longer than six and a half minutes at most.
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They told him about aliens early in the administration, back before they learned to say "Trump" every third word. So he just wasn't listening.
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Holy poo poo, I come into this thread for the first time in weeks and glowing-fish is STILL writing essays about how Ohio is part of the east coast or whatever
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Mr Interweb posted:Isn't he like no. 2 in voting along party lines behind only TED loving CRUZ?! https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/ This tracker is handy. McCain is not a Ted Cruz, he's a Bob Corker. The reason we're so angry at McCain isn't really McCain per se, he's a Republican and there aren't any good Republicans, the problem is centrists and the media bending over backwards to give him credit for being a maverick despite being more in line with Trump than loving Rand Paul. It's because McCain has a carefully cultivated false image built over a few decades and there's a certain element that's desperate for the Good Republicans story. Whenever Trump does a Bad Thing, McCain is first on a microphone to tut-tut about it, but he never actually does anything about it. Ditto Ben Sasse, Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio.
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Mister Adequate posted:The idea that the US is subdivided into cultural regions isn't exactly a revolutionary one, but I think you're probably overstating some aspects and understating others, glowing-fish. I kind of think that Civil War 2 would be the result of the Balkanization of the United States into regions roughly defined by the major college football conferences. The actual conflict would occur in the areas where there is overlap between two conferences, such as in states like Florida, South Carolina and Georgia as they try to determine once and for all if they are SEC country or ACC country.
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Simplex posted:I kind of think that Civil War 2 would be the result of the Balkanization of the United States into regions roughly defined by the major college football conferences. The actual conflict would occur in the areas where there is overlap between two conferences, such as in states like Florida, South Carolina and Georgia as they try to determine once and for all if they are SEC country or ACC country. I hate that this sounds more plausible than most alt-history theories about the US Balkanizing.
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glowing-fish posted:And the majority of this thread not only accepts that, accepts the idea of a limited United States defined by a limited geography, they literallly can't imagine anything differently. What is your point? You have successfully laid out your thesis. "America is made up of different regions with different people in them who view things differently." WHAT NOW? What do you want us to DO with this information? And if it's nothing, then SHUT THE gently caress UP FOREVER!
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Kevyn posted:Holy poo poo, I come into this thread for the first time in weeks and glowing-fish is STILL writing essays about how Ohio is part of the east coast or whatever Pshaw. Ohio isn't even part of the USA.
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RottenK posted:maybe stop responding to him I'm trying to shock something, anything, different out of him just to see what it is. Does he believe in anything other than "different people in different places feel different?"
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farraday posted:Mccain to delay healthcare bill mccains body trying to force him to do the right thing
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WampaLord posted:I'm trying to shock something, anything, different out of him just to see what it is. Does he believe in anything other than "different people in different places feel different?" he believes it's a funny troll people fall for which is half true
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yeah but trolling this much with this weird thing and going out of his way to write long posts that present these sort of real arguments... it's just loving stupid. At least do something simpler if you're gonna troll otherwise you're wasting too much of your life doing the dumbest thing in the world.
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evilweasel posted:mccains body trying to force him to do the right thing 
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namaste faggots posted:It seems like only yesterday when everyone in America hated France for ~reasons I'm not sure, but I think that Geno's Steaks might still sell "Freedom Fries." It took until I think last year before they took down the "This is America, when ordering speak English" sign, and reportedly it was the owner's dying wish that it be kept up. Captain Monkey posted:To be fair, itd not like he colluded with the Russians to steal an election in exchange for the relaxation of sanctions while enriching himself and his family at the expense of the American taxpayer while simultaneously trying to worsen our healthcare nationally for no real reason. tetrapyloctomy fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Robot Hobo posted:There isn't an anti-rejection drug powerful enough to make that happen. The bleeding was from his brain trying to crawl out of his eye socket.
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FuturePastNow posted:Maybe some pretty nurses can convince McCain to not gently caress up America's health care system If I worked in that hospital I guarantee you I would find ways to work within earshot of his room, and keep bringing up all of the patients who died due to insufficient care or who were struggling because of insurance issues. Hopefully some other folks think similarly. In reality, while he was undergoing induction for anesthesia the neurosurgeon was probably talking about how much he needs a tax break because he just doesn't take nearly enough of his wages home, and it'll be burned in McCain's subconscious forever as though God Himself said it.
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Robot Hobo posted:There isn't an anti-rejection drug powerful enough to make that happen. Even Zuni rockets couldn't make it happen.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:I'm not sure, but I think that Geno's Steaks might still sell "Freedom Fries." It took until I think last year before they took down the "This is America, when ordering speak English" sign, and reportedly it was the owner's dying wish that it be kept up. genos steaks is a reactionary right wing shithole though so that's not really that indicative of much steaks are fairly good though
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So I read that Jr's getting his lawyers paid using Trump election money. Is this legal, and more importantly, who would prosecute him for it?
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Comstar posted:So I read that Jr's getting his lawyers paid using Trump election money. Much like most things in the past year, probably not and no one.
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